Death Battle: Goku vs Superman 2

[TheGmGoken]

Goku can beat New 52 Superman (Kryptonite isn't a issue for this Superman) and MURDER current New 52 Supes who can't even fly.

Also why aren't they using New 52 Supes costume.

[dbzfan7]

Yea, but it's their reasoning in their video. People may feel free to disagree but not understanding things entirely and saying stuff about SA that they did not do (like in that video, where people were saying they just used Goku's speed in the Saiyan arc and added the SS multipliers on top of that) is just wrong. I wasn't saying they were right, or that it's fact, I was saying that the fanbase couldn't even understand their reasoning, which either tells us a lot about the intelligence of our fanbase, or SA's arguments.

Aren't they using New 52 Superman? I think that's a pretty good reason to do this rematch. You nerf the ultra-powerful Superman and use Goku's best transformations to give him a better shot. From what I've read of New 52 Superman (which, admittedly isn't a lot, but I've also seen a lot of debates about his strength), this fight is fair.

I get their argument...it's just kinda....reaching. Wouldn't mind as much, but they seem to take it as fact. Kinda like their made up SSJ4 multiplier.

I don't think they're changing things beyond composite Supes. The blog guys just did that, though they mentioned they weren't told anything.

Also if they shouldn't hype this fight as the bout of the century....cause then one of them may try to turtle and run away til a call is made XD

[Bullza]

So I suppose Screwattack are going with the mindset that SSJG along with SSGSS are superior to SSJ4 or they wouldn't really have bothered.

They had SSJ4 being 10x stronger than a Z SSJ3 Goku but SSJG would give a significantly bigger boost than that which should at least make him as fast.

Also last time around they compared Goku and Superman's strenght and they were world's apart but the real comparison should have been in the striking strenght which would have been a much smaller gap.

I don't know what kind of striking power Superman has but if Beerus can destory half a planet with a tap and Goku is at least 60% as powerful when he's at 100% (which he obviously wasn't in Super) then it's gotta be comparable to Superman surely.

They also never compared their destructive capabilities either so I hope they bring that up this time too.

[Polyphase Avatron]

Kinda odd this is for SGC...where they are having a ton of DBZ guests. TFS and DBZ voice actors. It's like a whole event. What a great present to have Supes whoop Goku's ass again .

I wonder if there will be an uproar in the audience if Goku loses, lol.

I doubt it. Online they probably will have another one. I still think it's kinda funny that GT Goku bad, but the many different Supes writers with many varying abilities is ok. Then again I guess that's done as they count some movie stuff for Goku. Though that quote rereboy dug up honestly perfectly describes the entire thing.

Didn't they use SSJ4 in the first match?

Also, serious question: Does anyone here actually follow the New 52 Superman? I gave it up years ago because the stories simply were not all that good. The only good one was the Vyndktvx (or however you spell it) story written by Grant Morrison, but he always writes good stuff (although compared to his usual work even that story wasn't really up to par IMO). So I am not all that familiar with what he can or can't currently do.

[GokuRules987]

I did some research and found out that this whole goku vs superman debate really started somewhere early 2006 and has overtime grown to a really considerable number. people now debate 4-5 times more about who would win in a fight between Goku vs superman than in the years of 2006-2008.

The biggest debate that have ever happened between goku and superman was actually in January 2013 then following which got a bit less debate and apparently now in July 2015 there has been increase in almost triple amount of people debating about goku vs superman than it was in the past month! (thanks to the screw attack)LOL




Bellow there is also a chart in what countries this debate is the most going on.
Countries like US scored around 34% Canada scored around 21% and Japan scored 0% ;(

[VegettoEX]

The biggest debate that have ever happened between goku and superman was actually in January 2013

That's because January 2013 was when ScrewAttack released their "Death Battle" video (which I think you're implying, but I can't tell if you're saying thanks to SA just for that recent bump, or for both).

[GokuRules987]

The biggest debate that have ever happened between goku and superman was actually in January 2013

That's because January 2013 was when ScrewAttack released their "Death Battle" video (which I think you're implying, but I can't tell if you're saying thanks to SA just for that recent bump, or for both).

Yeah obviously Screw Attack heavily contributed to this increase, but I also think latest Dragon Ball movies and Goku transformation's was what ultimately made Screw Attack do this rematch again.

[Bullza]

Why did it suddenly spike in late 2014 like that?

Oh maybe it was that rap battle.

[Lord Beerus]

The biggest debate that have ever happened between goku and superman was actually in January 2013

That's because January 2013 was when ScrewAttack released their "Death Battle" video (which I think you're implying, but I can't tell if you're saying thanks to SA just for that recent bump, or for both).

Yeah obviously Screw Attack heavily contributed to this increase, but I also think latest Dragon Ball movies and Goku transformation's was what ultimately made Screw Attack do this rematch again.

The only reason ScrewAttack are doing this again is because they know it generate millions of views, which will generate lots of cash for them.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

The only reason ScrewAttack are doing this again is because they know it generate millions of views, which will generate lots of cash for them.

Do you really think they are only doing this for money?

[godku23]

I personally feel like money is a big reason for them doing it, and as someone who doesn't care who wins, I will thoroughly enjoy it.

[TheGmGoken]

The only reason ScrewAttack are doing this again is because they know it generate millions of views, which will generate lots of cash for them.

Do you really think they are only doing this for money?

Yes. They make money from YouTube. YouTube gives its content partners more than half of the ad revenue they bring in, and the types of ads they use in their videos may also be a factor in how much money they earn. Pre-roll ads, which lead into the beginning of the video, are believed to bring in $5 for every 1,000 views. Not to mention the hype, where they're showing the battle at, and the revival of DB franchise.

This is ultra money for them. A smart business choice.

[jcogginsa]

Money is a factor but i don't think it's the only one

[DBZGTKOSDH]

The only reason ScrewAttack are doing this again is because they know it generate millions of views, which will generate lots of cash for them.

Do you really think they are only doing this for money?

Yes. They make money from YouTube. YouTube gives its content partners more than half of the ad revenue they bring in, and the types of ads they use in their videos may also be a factor in how much money they earn. Pre-roll ads, which lead into the beginning of the video, are believed to bring in $5 for every 1,000 views. Not to mention the hype, where they're showing the battle at, and the revival of DB franchise.

This is ultra money for them. A smart business choice.

I know how this works, I just fail to see how money is the only reason they do this.

[rereboy]

I know how this works, I just fail to see how money is the only reason they do this.

The only situation where the money would actually be the only reason for them to do it would be if they hated doing this, and everything related to it, and the only thing they got out of it was the money, but they ended up doing it anyway solely because of the money.

Even if 0,001% of the reasons why they do this is because a very little part of them has some enjoyment doing it, money would no longer be the sole reason.

So, I fail to see how that means anything. What matters is if money is the biggest factor. And, most likely, it is.

[Polyphase Avatron]

Countries like US scored around 34% Canada scored around 21% and Japan scored 0%

I guess Japanese fans are too cool for this nonsense

[rereboy]

Countries like US scored around 34% Canada scored around 21% and Japan scored 0%

I guess Japanese fans are too cool for this nonsense

Isn't that simply because they don't write with our alphabet and thus they wouldn't write "Goku vs superman" even if they were searching for it?

[ATEMVEGETA]

Does anyone know when the Death Battle will be released?

[dbgtFO]

Does anyone know when the Death Battle will be released?

Before next weekend is up.

[Tectorman]

"Goku has no mental hangups, but is defined as constantly striving for greater physical ability."

"Supes has no physical limitations, but has to deal with the issues that arise from having that power."

I hope we don't see the return of this mentality. I get where this thinking comes from, but it seemed to me like it got warped in the first Death Battle. Instead, it came to mean that Goku had to be defined as "that guy who always has people stronger than him, one of which must be Superman" and that Superman had to be defined as "that guy who can't be beaten, especially not by Goku". As though an outcome where Goku had actually won would take away from Goku's "Goku-ness" and take away from Superman's "Superman-ness".

When that started out not being the case at all. Back in the 90's, Supes hadn't had the Mongol-training/mental-block-unlocking. He was much weaker then (couldn't go FTL, a mere million nukes would be enough to kill him, could only lift 100 tons, could only hold his breath in outer space for about twenty minutes, etc.). There's a reason why Animated-Series-Superman is considered weaker than Comics-Superman. It's because A-S-Supes was accurate to Comics-Supes up until the mental-block-unlock. The Animated Series never bothered to include that storyline, never gave A-S-Supes that stealth-buff.

The 90's understanding of Goku's abilities, on the other hand, wasn't all that far off from what we know today. The official multipliers hadn't been released yet, but Goku existing among casual planet-busters was still a thing.

And even though that paints a completely reversed picture, Goku was still Goku and Supes was still Supes. It didn't violate who they were. Superman was still Superman, a paragon and one of the walking definitions of superheroing (even if there were characters in other series stronger than he was. Goku was the guy who always pushed himself to get stronger; he didn't lose his Goku-ness just because one of the guys he didn't have to try and be stronger than was one of the most powerful characters in another universe.

There were plenty of good reasons for the last Death Battle to play out the way it did, and there are plenty of good reasons for however this upcoming Death Battle plays out. IMO, "it violates the basic nature of who these characters are if Goku beats Superman" isn't one of them.