Dragon Ball Z "Seasons" On Blu-ray: News & Discussion

[eledoremassis02]

Interesting. I wonder how these sets would be if they did not do dnr.

[ect5150]

The Blue Bricks have this issue, but to a lesser extent. So, is it as bad as the disappearing line problem overall, since it apparently appears way more often?

Here's an example of the grain "streaking":



You can see there are areas where the DVNR didn't remove the grain properly. What I think is going on is the DVNR seems to be applying it in motion, if that makes sense. I don't think this would be a problem if they were applied to each individual frame. I think that also explains the disappearing lines in earlier Z bricks, which wouldn't have happened if the DVNR had been actually applied frame by frame.

I don't know much about how DVNR and video editing works, so I could be way off base. I don't see any other explanation for why these video artifacts occur in motion, though.

I think you are correct, but I will say sometimes you can see artifacts show up due to the MPEG2 compression. And I don't mean blocks. Sometimes you can still see an "after image" of the preceding frame. It's tough to find examples, but you can sometimes see Goku's hair outline when he has already moved in the next frame (that would be an example). As such, the area his head used to be in is kind of flat and the rest of the image was would grainy. I know I've seen it on some DBZ DVDS, but I think proper encoding eliminates this effect. I want to say the original Pioneer release of DBZ Movie 1 had some of it, but I'm not sure where my copy is since I have DBox the movie. Maybe I'll look later.

[Ajay]

So my sets arrived. I'll give you a full breakdown of my thoughts soon since apparently they're now 'valid' but holy fuck, this set is worse than I imagined.

The grain is literally fighting to get through the DNR process. Every frame is littered with shit like this:



That example is mild compared to the how the entire frame looks. It genuinely makes me feel a little sick with how much everything is wobbling.

[Metalwario64]

What the hell is that black strip? Is it the edge of the frame appearing, or damage?

Heh, I'm starting to wonder if these are worse than the OBs in motion, even with the damn disappearing lines. At least when they weren't vanishing the footage looked decent in motion.

[Ajay]

It's not entirely clear. I'd guess damage since it doesn't go all the way down the side of the frame but it may just be an angled edge.

It's 6am right now so I should probably sleep. I'll work on a full breakdown with gifs, screenshots and audio comparisons for tomorrow.

[Baggie_Saiyan]

Hey, AjayLikesGaming where did you order your set from?

[KingofWisdom]

I think I've seen all that I need. That shaking as well as the streaks of grain appearing in the picture is worse, imo, than the disappearing lines. At this point, I'd recommend the OBs over these.

They're even cheaper.

[sumpter360]

I think I've seen all that I need. That shaking as well as the streaks of grain appearing in the picture is worse, imo, than the disappearing lines. At this point, I'd recommend the OBs over these.

They're even cheaper.

While the shaking occurs more often in this set than the disappearing lines did in the Orange Bricks, its hardly as noticeable, as long as you aren't sitting two inches from the screen. It seems like most of people's issues with problems such as grain streaking, this shaking issue, etc aren't very noticeable from normal viewing distances.

Even the Dragon Box footage can look awful if you look closely enough at it.

[qjz123]

I think I've seen all that I need. That shaking as well as the streaks of grain appearing in the picture is worse, imo, than the disappearing lines. At this point, I'd recommend the OBs over these.

They're even cheaper.

The shaking issues people are talking about are really only noticeable if your watching this sets on your computer screen. From a normal viewing distance it really isn't noticeable. The issue is being really over exaggerated.

[dbboxkaifan]

The picture quality of about anything will always have flaws if you're looking too close for negative aspects of it because there's no such thing as a perfect release.

Even though the Level BDs are the best looking DBZ release it suffers from imperfection too.

[KingofWisdom]

Well, I'll try to keep an open mind if the set falls into my lap. Can't say I'd spend any money on such a release, though. Sure, everything has flaws, these new sets just have too many.

[Tanooki Kuribo]

The shaking issues people are talking about are really only noticeable if your watching this sets on your computer screen. From a normal viewing distance it really isn't noticeable. The issue is being really over exaggerated.

No, I've noticed it while watching it on my TV, sitting on my couch. I'd say that's normal viewing distance. The fact that you feel you need to watch these from a certain distance in order to not notice certain things is probably not a good thing. I'm really not exaggerating anything here, I'm not dissecting images or anything like that, I'm just saying what I saw when I put this set in, that's it.

[ChibiGoku]

I think I've seen all that I need. That shaking as well as the streaks of grain appearing in the picture is worse, imo, than the disappearing lines. At this point, I'd recommend the OBs over these.

They're even cheaper.

The shaking issues people are talking about are really only noticeable if your watching this sets on your computer screen. From a normal viewing distance it really isn't noticeable. The issue is being really over exaggerated.

So, let me get this straight. You acknowledge that this is an issue, and down play it by saying and telling us to watch it at a "normal viewing distance" and it's "not really noticable", implying that the issue isn't an issue. Regardless if you, personally, cannot see this issue, it's still an issue if it's in the video source. It doesn't matter if your set-up "doesn't show the problems", but if it's there, it's still an issue. Don't try to down play this. Problems like this should be addressed, not ignored, especially how you and several people in this thread seem to be trying to down play this. Quite frankly, I feel that's insulting to people who give a damn about having a quality release.

[Baggie_Saiyan]

I think I've seen all that I need. That shaking as well as the streaks of grain appearing in the picture is worse, imo, than the disappearing lines. At this point, I'd recommend the OBs over these.

They're even cheaper.

The shaking issues people are talking about are really only noticeable if your watching this sets on your computer screen. From a normal viewing distance it really isn't noticeable. The issue is being really over exaggerated.

So, let me get this straight. You acknowledge that this is an issue, and down play it by saying and telling us to watch it at a "normal viewing distance" and it's "not really noticable", implying that the issue isn't an issue. Regardless if you, personally, cannot see this issue, it's still an issue if it's in the video source. It doesn't matter if your set-up "doesn't show the problems", but if it's there, it's still an issue. Don't try to down play this. Problems like this should be addressed, not ignored, especially how you and several people in this thread seem to be trying to down play this. Quite frankly, I feel that's insulting to people who give a damn about having a quality release.

I find it insulting every nit-pick in this release has been over stated and exaggerated to the point people claiming they're worse then the OB's.

[VegettoEX]

Why do you find it insulting? Did you personally work on the product?

[Tanooki Kuribo]

I find it insulting every nit-pick in this release has been over stated and exaggerated to the point people claiming they're worse then the OB's.

Well, they just might be. I feel like they are. You shouldn't find it insulting though, it's just people's opinion. I don't like these sets, that's me. But if you like them, I'm not gonna say you're wrong as long as you're telling me why you prefer this set. We'll probably disagree on everything but as long as you have your reasons, I'm not gonna stop you.

[KingofWisdom]

The thing is, though, it's all about personal preference. I think the OBs have better color, and despite being blurry, they still have better detail than the Season BDs. The Season BDs are sharp and have vibrant colors (too bright for me), but they have issues of their own with the grain removal and desecrated background art. It comes down to what bothers you less.

[Baggie_Saiyan]

Why do you find it insulting? Did you personally work on the product?

Same, could be said to people finding this release insulting. Did they originally animate DBZ?

The thing is, though, it's all about personal preference. I think the OBs have better color, and despite being blurry, they still have better detail than the Season BDs. The Season BDs are sharp and have vibrant colors (too bright for me), but they have issues of their own with the grain removal and desecrated background art. It comes down to what bothers you less.

I prefer my picture sharp, vibrant and bright and the background detail doesn't bother me at all. Look, I understand most people hate this release or whatever but constantly bringing up reasons why you hate it, is what really irks me. Ok we get it you don't like no need to go on and on about it, it becomes rather annoying. On the flip side I know you have to vent you're frustration somehow.

[KingofWisdom]

Well, if you don't want to see people criticizing the release, you don't have to read this topic.

[Baggie_Saiyan]

I find it insulting every nit-pick in this release has been over stated and exaggerated to the point people claiming they're worse then the OB's.

Well, they just might be. I feel like they are. You shouldn't find it insulting though, it's just people's opinion. I don't like these sets, that's me. But if you like them, I'm not gonna say you're wrong as long as you're telling me why you prefer this set. We'll probably disagree on everything but as long as you have your reasons, I'm not gonna stop you.

Didn't see this post lol
Reason why I like this set:
16x9 AR
No grain
Bright and Vivid Colour's
American Soundtrack (although they Japanese track as somewhat grown on me)

Well, if you don't want to see people criticizing the release, you don't have to read this topic.

True, may very well just ignore this thread from now on. Seems the rational thing to do.