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Chuquita
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by Chuquita » Fri Nov 21, 2014 7:01 pm
DragonBoxZTheMovies wrote:Chuquita wrote:I wouldn't have Freeza be from another universe. It's Uni 7's Freeza, it would be that same universe, only changed to his favor, but Freeza would still have all his memories from before. (Because that way he can wave what he's done in Gokû and Vegeta's faces. If Freeza doesn't recall the before world much banter is lost.)
I've always been under the impression that the other universes aren't actually parallel/alternate realities, but rather physical locations where other strong beings, completely different to Goku and co., could be living. At least, that's how they made it sound at the end of BOG and in the Chozenshuu.
I'm not taking about the other universes. I know and agree with you that the other universes are different places altogether.
I'm talking only about universe 7. I'm taking about a wish that would only affect and change universe 7 (at least until they fix it at the end of the movie.)
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by Hellspawn28 » Fri Nov 21, 2014 7:11 pm
At least Mr. Satan finally meets Freeza for the first time. Before 2015, Freeza was the only main DBZ villain that he met since he met Vegeta, Cell and Buu.
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by RandomGuy96 » Fri Nov 21, 2014 7:19 pm
Hellspawn28 wrote:At least Mr. Satan finally meets Freeza for the first time. Before 2015, Freeza was the only main DBZ villain that he met since he met Vegeta, Cell and Buu.
You're deluding yourself if you think Mr. Satan is going to be in this movie. Now that he's not held back by a stomach ache or his compassion, there's nothing to stop him from curb-stomping the villain. The movie would be over in about one minute. Five seconds for Mr. Satan to punch Freeza, and then fifty-five seconds more seconds until the technique kicks in and Freeza drops dead after thinking Mr. Satan's punch didn't do anything.
The Monkey King wrote:RandomGuy96 wrote:dbgtFO wrote:
Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.
It was actually Beerus disguised as Zarbon #StayWoke
Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.
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by DragonBoxZTheMovies » Fri Nov 21, 2014 7:28 pm
Hm, I wonder if we'll get to see Whis actually do some fighting in this movie. I hope they keep using him and Beerus as comic relief.
Other random thought: A lot of people are asking how Freeza's going to be strong enough to contest with the heroes in this film, do you think people were asking the same questions when Garlic Jr. came back in the Anime?

I mean, the gulf in class is no where near as great, but still...
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by TheGmGoken » Fri Nov 21, 2014 7:32 pm
DragonBoxZTheMovies wrote:Hm, I wonder if we'll get to see Whis actually do some fighting in this movie. I hope they keep using him and Beerus as comic relief.
Other random thought: A lot of people are asking how Freeza's going to be strong enough to contest with the heroes in this film, do you think people were asking the same questions when Garlic Jr. came back in the Anime?

I mean, the gulf in class is no where near as great, but still...
Depends on the person honestly. Not everyone saw Dead Zone so they probably was like "Who the fuck is Garlic".
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by Chuquita » Fri Nov 21, 2014 7:45 pm
Does anyone remember which magazine those WCF figures for BOG first appeared in? We're getting close to that same time this year and WCF's for 「F」 should be appearing soon.
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by dodonpa » Fri Nov 21, 2014 8:30 pm
This supposition has been probably mentioned already, but having in mind that the movie poster doesn't show a single Super Saiyan (
the first one that does that since the Super Saiyan showed in the series. I'm not counting the 2008 Jump Super Anime Tour Special because it's not a movie) and Beerus said in BOG that Goku in his normal state couldn't beat Freeza, i fear the possibility of a "no supersaiyans allowed" wish in the plot. And of course, i said fear because Shenron shouldn't be able to do that.
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by JamesOwnz » Fri Nov 21, 2014 8:42 pm
Ya no SS is interesting.. but then you still have guys like Piccolo, Whis and Beerus that could take him out no problem.
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by ChahikoDBZ » Fri Nov 21, 2014 8:56 pm
Sort of bummed that the character on the poster turned out to be Gohan. But if Goten and Trunks look older in this movie, I'll forgive the Gohan design.

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by Attitudefan » Fri Nov 21, 2014 9:23 pm
No ssj form the better. Most Saiyans in their base form have a better design imo. Honestly, I just wish Goku got the firm and that's it. Same for his God form as it should only be for one. Gohan had his Mystic form and that's a good thing.
Super Saiyans are cool but are also the bane of the series. See the Buu arc.
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by Marco Polo » Fri Nov 21, 2014 9:24 pm
JamesOwnz wrote:Ya no SS is interesting.. but then you still have guys like Piccolo, Whis and Beerus that could take him out no problem.
Not to mention Ultimate Gohan, Gotenks or even Gogeta.
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by SSJ God Gogeta » Fri Nov 21, 2014 9:27 pm
Marco Polo wrote:JamesOwnz wrote:Ya no SS is interesting.. but then you still have guys like Piccolo, Whis and Beerus that could take him out no problem.
Not to mention Ultimate Gohan, Gotenks or even Gogeta.
Fuck, even Kibitoshin can take him out.
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by RandomGuy96 » Fri Nov 21, 2014 10:06 pm
SSJ God Gogeta wrote:Marco Polo wrote:JamesOwnz wrote:Ya no SS is interesting.. but then you still have guys like Piccolo, Whis and Beerus that could take him out no problem.
Not to mention Ultimate Gohan, Gotenks or even Gogeta.
Fuck, even Kibitoshin can take him out.
Also, Mr. Buu, Android 16, Android 17, and Android 18. Or the base form of any fusion (including Vegetto).
The Monkey King wrote:RandomGuy96 wrote:dbgtFO wrote:
Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.
It was actually Beerus disguised as Zarbon #StayWoke
Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.
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by SSJ God Gogeta » Fri Nov 21, 2014 10:14 pm
RandomGuy96 wrote:
Also, Mr. Buu, Android 16, Android 17, and Android 18. Or the base form of any fusion (including Vegetto).
And the list goes on.
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by Gyt Kaliba » Fri Nov 21, 2014 10:28 pm
Are all of you bringing up Freeza's power really deluding yourselves that badly into thinking that he's not going to be a lot stronger, for some reason or another, in this movie? This whole 'he was only so-so strong before, so there's no way he could be stronger than that now!' thing just makes no sense to me. It's fiction. The characters will be as strong as they need to be to tell the story.
That and it's not like you couldn't take Goku or anyone else from any point in the story, then jump to a much further point in the story, and do the same thing. 'What?! But Gohan barely held on against Freeza, there's no way he'll be able to take down Ce - ...oh.'
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by MasterVampire » Fri Nov 21, 2014 10:42 pm
Gyt Kaliba wrote:Are all of you bringing up Freeza's power really deluding yourselves that badly into thinking that he's not going to be a lot stronger, for some reason or another, in this movie? This whole 'he was only so-so strong before, so there's no way he could be stronger than that now!' thing just makes no sense to me. It's fiction. The characters will be as strong as they need to be to tell the story.
That and it's not like you couldn't take Goku or anyone else from any point in the story, then jump to a much further point in the story, and do the same thing. 'What?! But Gohan barely held on against Freeza, there's no way he'll be able to take down Ce - ...oh.'
I really can't see Freeza being stronger than Vegeto or Gotenks.
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by Retan » Fri Nov 21, 2014 10:46 pm
He may be stronger then Whis for all we know... at least for this movie.
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by TheGmGoken » Fri Nov 21, 2014 10:49 pm
MasterVampire wrote:Gyt Kaliba wrote:Are all of you bringing up Freeza's power really deluding yourselves that badly into thinking that he's not going to be a lot stronger, for some reason or another, in this movie? This whole 'he was only so-so strong before, so there's no way he could be stronger than that now!' thing just makes no sense to me. It's fiction. The characters will be as strong as they need to be to tell the story.
That and it's not like you couldn't take Goku or anyone else from any point in the story, then jump to a much further point in the story, and do the same thing. 'What?! But Gohan barely held on against Freeza, there's no way he'll be able to take down Ce - ...oh.'
I really can't see Freeza being stronger than Vegeto or Gotenks.
I used to say the same thing about Goku being stronger than Vegetto (SSJ). This is DB. The same series that gave Goku a x33 zenkai to become close to Freeze's power. I don't see the issue of Freeza becoming an evil God and getting a similar power up.
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by SSJ God Gogeta » Fri Nov 21, 2014 10:56 pm
Retan wrote:He may be stronger then Whis for all we know... at least for this movie.
That is the last thing I want to see.