"Dragon Ball Super" Series Official Announcement & Discussion Thread

Discussion specifically regarding the "Dragon Ball Super" TV series premiering July 2015 in Japan, including individual threads for each episode.
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Re: Official Announcement Thread & Discussion

Post by shinmaru » Thu Jun 11, 2015 6:34 am

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Chuquita wrote:Just saw this on Twitter; Super's the only summer show left that hasn't revealed its synopsis or core staff yet? Is this true?
https://twitter.com/Yuyucow/status/608635882548117504
Yeah, it's the only summer series we basically know nothing about.
And the only series in the summer that continues after 18 years.
I think they are trying to suprise us.

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Re: Official Announcement Thread & Discussion

Post by B » Thu Jun 11, 2015 8:48 am

shinmaru wrote:And the only series in the summer that continues after 18 years.
I think they are trying to suprise us.
I feel it's much more likely they just up and decided "new series" and basically nothing is ready. They're not being coy; they just literally have nothing to show.

You'd think, at least, we'd have heard snippets/instrumentals for the theme songs...
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Re: Official Announcement Thread & Discussion

Post by DBZGTKOSDH » Thu Jun 11, 2015 8:51 am

B wrote:I feel it's much more likely they just up and decided "new series" and basically nothing is ready. They're not being coy; they just literally have nothing to show.
There is no way in HFIL they haven't decided the story yet, or that they don't have character designs for the main characters ready.
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Re: Official Announcement Thread & Discussion

Post by NeoKING » Thu Jun 11, 2015 9:38 am

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shinmaru wrote:And the only series in the summer that continues after 18 years.
I think they are trying to suprise us.
I feel it's much more likely they just up and decided "new series" and basically nothing is ready. They're not being coy; they just literally have nothing to show.

You'd think, at least, we'd have heard snippets/instrumentals for the theme songs...
Agreed. They probably just wanted to secure the TV spot ASAP after Kai. "Wait! Don't take DB off the air! We ... We have another series!" "You do?!" " .. We do ...?" "Yeah! It's uh ... Dragon Ball Super!" "Well, my God, this is amazing!! We have to call the press right away!!" " ... What have I done?"

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Re: Official Announcement Thread & Discussion

Post by Araki » Thu Jun 11, 2015 9:52 am

NeoKING wrote:Agreed. They probably just wanted to secure the TV spot ASAP after Kai. "Wait! Don't take DB off the air! We ... We have another series!" "You do?!" " .. We do ...?" "Yeah! It's uh ... Dragon Ball Super!" "Well, my God, this is amazing!! We have to call the press right away!!" " ... What have I done?"

Yeah, that's totally how it works... :roll:

They "just literally have nothing to show" is, of course, wrong. Obviously they do have things they could show. Take character designs, for instance. That's one of the very first things in a production, there would be no anime in the works if they hadn't it ready a while ago. Plot? Same thing. Or else they would be animating what right now?
So they didn't show anything yet because they really don't want to. And a key visual wouldn't even take much effort.

About staff and cast, though...most of the staff is known (director, producers, composer)..only major thing lacking is series composition, but we don't know if they're just crediting Toriyama for that. If that's the case, then all the core staff was revealed already.

And cast, really, it's not a new show, everyone knows who's doing it. If they want to make a cast announcement that is actually relevant, then they would need to reveal a new character and give more information away.

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Re: Official Announcement Thread & Discussion

Post by VegettoEX » Thu Jun 11, 2015 10:04 am

Araki wrote:Yeah, that's totally how it works... :roll:

They "just literally have nothing to show" is, of course, wrong. Obviously they do have things they could show. Take character designs, for instance. That's one of the very first things in a production, there would be no anime in the works if they hadn't it ready a while ago. Plot? Same thing. Or else they would be animating what right now?
So they didn't show anything yet because they really don't want to. And a key visual wouldn't even take much effort.

About staff and cast, though...most of the staff is known (director, producers, composer)..only major thing lacking is series composition, but we don't know if they're just crediting Toriyama for that. If that's the case, then all the core staff was revealed already.

And cast, really, it's not a new show, everyone knows who's doing it. If they want to make a cast announcement that is actually relevant, then they would need to reveal a new character and give more information away.
Your sarcastic analysis isn't being totally fair to the process or to the fans.

Even if it's still the same voice cast, for example, that's still something you announce well ahead of time, and it's bizarre that hasn't been done here. Even if it was the principle cast of characters that don't need to be "confirmed" (Goku, Gohan, Vegeta, Piccolo, Kuririn, Kame-sen'nin, etc... not even getting into folks like Beerus and Whis), that's still a great bit of promotion that's typically done by now. It's not done yet here. That's weird.
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Re: Official Announcement Thread & Discussion

Post by NeoKING » Thu Jun 11, 2015 10:38 am

Correct me if I'm wrong though, but I believe Saint Seiya: Soul of Gold, the latest Saint Seiya series, was pretty much shrouded in mystery just like this?

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Re: Official Announcement Thread & Discussion

Post by Basaku » Thu Jun 11, 2015 10:51 am

VegettoEX wrote: Your sarcastic analysis isn't being totally fair to the process or to the fans.

Even if it's still the same voice cast, for example, that's still something you announce well ahead of time, and it's bizarre that hasn't been done here. Even if it was the principle cast of characters that don't need to be "confirmed" (Goku, Gohan, Vegeta, Piccolo, Kuririn, Kame-sen'nin, etc... not even getting into folks like Beerus and Whis), that's still a great bit of promotion that's typically done by now. It's not done yet here. That's weird.
The official website & twitter for the show launched without an english version. In 2015. I say it's fair to assume the marketing team behind the show isn't exactly high energy one.

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Re: Official Announcement Thread & Discussion

Post by B » Thu Jun 11, 2015 10:53 am

NeoKING wrote:Correct me if I'm wrong though, but I believe Saint Seiya: Soul of Gold, the latest Saint Seiya series, was pretty much shrouded in mystery just like this?
According to ANN, it was announced five months ahead of time(versus Super's three months), got a key visual on the day of(versus Super's never; if you wish to count the logo as a "key visual", we got that less than a week ago, two-and-a-half months after the fact), and all core staff/cast were announced three months later(in Super terms, we should have had all this already). Plot details surfaced a month before with a PV, along with OP/ED theme details(Hey, Super managed to tell us the names of the songs, at least).

Of course, we also don't have to mention that Super is still airing Sunday mornings versus Saint Seiya's online streaming. They're not withholding information because the animation's gonna blow our minds.
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Re: Official Announcement Thread & Discussion

Post by Darkblade1995 » Thu Jun 11, 2015 10:59 am

If I remember correctly, didn't they also do this with Kai? I mean the first Kai was announced like 2 months before the official airdate. Yet Toriko got a announcement 4 months prior to its airdate. And the Buu arc of Kai also got a ''2 months before it started airing'' announcement. So maybe they just do this with Dragon Ball.

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Re: Official Announcement Thread & Discussion

Post by JulieYBM » Thu Jun 11, 2015 12:06 pm

It really wouldn't have been difficult to ask Toriyama for a plot in April, began writing scripts and selecting core staff in the same month and then translating those scripts into storyboards in May. If enough key animators are piled in--or fast key animators rush--it wouldn't be impossible to do the animation for an episode that has to air on 05 July throughout late May and June. Gaiking: Legend of Daikuu Ryuu only had three months of pre-production, after all.

EDIT: Series Director Chioka Kimitoshi World Trigger Episode #35 airing next week. Better pray to God that this was done in February or March or something. I'm bettering April at the earliest, though.
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Re: Official Announcement Thread & Discussion

Post by shinmaru » Thu Jun 11, 2015 12:58 pm

Maybe they are waiting for the Manga to do the spoiling first and then start advertising for the anime. And did something
like this ever happen with other anime shows? Where the Manga starts just one month ahead of the anime?

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Post by Hellspawn28 » Thu Jun 11, 2015 1:04 pm

I hear from A-Kon this past weekend that Funimation has not acquired the licensed for Super yet and even when they do, there will be no dub simulcast because they want to air the dub on Toonami. Plus, there is no way they could get all of the voice actors back on a weekly basis, and they want to do it right. I guess a sub simulcast is still unlikely too. Looks like we have to watch it RAW like we are with Buu saga Kai. I doubt fan subbers like TV-Nihon and Over-Time is going to bother touching it. Fan subbers avoid things that will be licensed to avoid getting their group shut down and getting sued.
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Re: Official Announcement Thread & Discussion

Post by JulieYBM » Thu Jun 11, 2015 1:08 pm

It's Dragon Ball, so I doubt the plot will be very hard to follow.

Just in case nobody caught it: Chioka Kimitoshi storyboarded World Trigger Episode #35 (21 June 2015). I'm beginning to think he didn't storyboard Dragon Ball Super Episode #1. Zako Akifumi hasn't done anything since 12 April 2015 when he storyboarded Go! Princess PreCure Episode #11. With any luck he'll be contributing an episode for Dragon Ball Super.
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Re: Official Announcement Thread & Discussion

Post by Chuquita » Thu Jun 11, 2015 1:15 pm

Hellspawn28 wrote:I hear from A-Kon this past weekend that Funimation has not acquired the licensed for Super yet and even when they do, there will be no dub simulcast because they want to air the dub on Toonami. Plus, there is no way they could get all of the voice actors back on a weekly basis, and they want to do it right. I guess a sub simulcast is still unlikely too. Looks like we have to watch it RAW like we are with Buu saga Kai. I doubt fan subbers like TV-Nihon and Over-Time is going to bother touching it. Fan subbers avoid things that will be licensed to avoid getting their group shut down and getting sued.
This feels like a near-Precure-type situation; but even Precure eventually gets subbed. @_@
I can follow Precure's dialogue alright without subs (and with my currently-limited Japanese vocab knowledge) so Super won't be that difficult, I guess.

I can't help thinking this is on Toei's end; I do think Funi is probably trying their hardest to get that license. So surreal.
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Re: Official Announcement Thread & Discussion

Post by NeoKING » Thu Jun 11, 2015 1:17 pm

Hellspawn28 wrote:I hear from A-Kon this past weekend that Funimation has not acquired the licensed for Super yet and even when they do, there will be no dub simulcast because they want to air the dub on Toonami. Plus, there is no way they could get all of the voice actors back on a weekly basis, and they want to do it right. I guess a sub simulcast is still unlikely too. Looks like we have to watch it RAW like we are with Buu saga Kai. I doubt fan subbers like TV-Nihon and Over-Time is going to bother touching it. Fan subbers avoid things that will be licensed to avoid getting their group shut down and getting sued.
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Re: Official Announcement Thread & Discussion

Post by Ajay » Thu Jun 11, 2015 1:30 pm

Nonsense. A majority of fansub groups don't care. In fact, many of them use official translations as a basis for their own subs before they tweak and typeset; often adding an optional track with honorifics and original naming order.

I can think of at least three groups who have shown an interest in Super, with one all but confirming it.

You'll have a way to watch the show subbed. Absolutely no doubt about that. You can watch Kai subbed right now, too. Not sure where this idea that you can't is coming from.

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Post by Mewzard » Thu Jun 11, 2015 1:34 pm

Hellspawn28 wrote:I hear from A-Kon this past weekend that Funimation has not acquired the licensed for Super yet and even when they do, there will be no dub simulcast because they want to air the dub on Toonami. Plus, there is no way they could get all of the voice actors back on a weekly basis, and they want to do it right. I guess a sub simulcast is still unlikely too. Looks like we have to watch it RAW like we are with Buu saga Kai. I doubt fan subbers like TV-Nihon and Over-Time is going to bother touching it. Fan subbers avoid things that will be licensed to avoid getting their group shut down and getting sued.
Just because they won't do a dub simulcast doesn't mean there won't be a sub simulcast. I can't honestly believe FUNi wouldn't do everything in their power to get Dragon Ball Super streaming when it debuts. It could get them so much additional revenue via new subscribers.

Hell, they may even have the license or be close, but didn't announce it then because they have a specific reveal plan. Companies tend to plan out exactly how they want to reveal major licenses (which is why NDA exist and why companies get mad at leaks).

I'd wait a bit longer before believing FUNi's doing nothing on this front.
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Re: Official Announcement Thread & Discussion

Post by Hellspawn28 » Thu Jun 11, 2015 1:36 pm

I don't mind watching things RAW, but I do like to know what the characters are saying. Not to mention we will likely have to wait until 2016 when Funimation puts out Super.
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Re: Official Announcement Thread & Discussion

Post by Ushabtis » Thu Jun 11, 2015 1:36 pm

I just hope the subs for Super come out quicker than they do for Kai (2014) still waiting on ep 58 subs =/
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