"Dragon Ball Super" Series Official Announcement & Discussion Thread

[ArchedThunder]

Is it true there wont be DBS episode on March 12th because of Nagoya women's marathon?

Yup, the marathon begins at 9:10 AM on March 12th.

[kinisking]

Vegeta did use a successful tactic against Android 19, while Piccolo played dead. Vegeta's idea to use the spirit bomb also worked more than Piccolo's ideas in the Boo saga which always made things worse. I think Vegeta's much more successful than Piccolo. I might put Goku over him too though.

Vegeta's plan with 19 was kind of stupid since there were several ways he could have removed Android 19's hands without getting his energy sucked nor did he had to confirm that the Androids drained energy. He clearly saw it when 19 absorbed the Kamehameha. And Piccolo's plan to trapped Buu in the Hyperbolic Time Chamber worked. He had no way of knowing that Buu could scream to escape.

Except it didn't.

Was Vegeta there when 19 absorbed it ?

[HeroR]

Except it didn't.

Was Vegeta there when 19 absorbed it ?

Only for reasons that Piccolo had no way of foreseeing. And he did successfully bought Goten and Trunks weeks in the Hyperbolic Time Chamber by making Super Buu go the long way.

Vegeta claimed he saw the whole fight, which is why he called Goku an idiot for going Super Saiyan despite being ill. Not to mention, everyone screaming that the android was taking Goku's energy.

[kinisking]

Except it didn't.

Was Vegeta there when 19 absorbed it ?

Only for reasons that Piccolo had no way of foreseeing. And he did successfully bought Goten and Trunks weeks in the Hyperbolic Time Chamber by making Super Buu go the long way.

Vegeta claimed he saw the whole fight, which is why he called Goku an idiot for going Super Saiyan despite being ill. Not to mention, everyone screaming that the android was taking Goku's energy.

The question was whether or not the tactic worked. It didn't. He didn't buy Goten and Trunks weeks, he bought them hours. Yes, that was smart, but it didn't defeat boo while Vegeta's did.

Fair point, but Vegeta's tactics still gave him the win and had Piccolo gushing over him.

[HeroR]

The question was whether or not the tactic worked. It didn't. He didn't buy Goten and Trunks weeks, he bought them hours. Yes, that was smart, but it didn't defeat boo while Vegeta's did.

Fair point, but Vegeta's tactics still gave him the win and had Piccolo gushing over him.

Piccolo gushing over Vegeta's battle smarts was extremely forced, especially when the tactic itself really made no sense. Why did Vegeta need to confirmed that the androids could suck energy if he saw that they could? All he really did in the end is leave himself open and he was lucky that he could bluff Gero, because Gero is kinda stupid.

A tactic that doesn't led to victory because of something that Piccolo had no way predicting isn't anything to knock points off of. Even Vegeta's great plan nearly fell apart and only got on trap because of Mr. Satan. The person he was willing to leave for dead when Kid Buu nuked the Earth.

[incarnati0n]

Except it didn't.

Was Vegeta there when 19 absorbed it ?

Only for reasons that Piccolo had no way of foreseeing. And he did successfully bought Goten and Trunks weeks in the Hyperbolic Time Chamber by making Super Buu go the long way.

Vegeta claimed he saw the whole fight, which is why he called Goku an idiot for going Super Saiyan despite being ill. Not to mention, everyone screaming that the android was taking Goku's energy.

And Gohan gets shit for letting Buu absorb Gotenks when there was no way of him knowing that he could do such thing.

[kinisking]

The question was whether or not the tactic worked. It didn't. He didn't buy Goten and Trunks weeks, he bought them hours. Yes, that was smart, but it didn't defeat boo while Vegeta's did.

Fair point, but Vegeta's tactics still gave him the win and had Piccolo gushing over him.

Piccolo gushing over Vegeta's battle smarts was extremely forced, especially when the tactic itself really made no sense. Why did Vegeta need to confirmed that the androids could suck energy if he saw that they could? All he really did in the end is leave himself open and he was lucky that he could bluff Gero, because Gero is kinda stupid.

A tactic that doesn't led to victory because of something that Piccolo had no way predicting isn't anything to knock points off of. Even Vegeta's great plan nearly fell apart and only got on trap because of Mr. Satan. The person he was willing to leave for dead when Kid Buu nuked the Earth.

At the end of the day, Vegeta was written to be a tactical genius there. Any issue you have with that, is an issue with Toriyama instead of Vegeta.

Did it work though? Can't say the same for Piccolos.

I don't want you to misunderstand though. Despite his many failures , I believe Piccolo to be a great tactician. He's still worse than Vegeta though.

[TheMathemagician]

I wouldn't be surprised if Gohan fights well even without sight or ki. He's never been treated as a unskilled fighter in universe. It's just a fan theory that doesn't really hold much water and I expect this tournament to fully disprove it.

Well we're only talking about the fighters and Bulma and Dr Briefs never fight. Besides, Piccolo thinks of a lot of strategies but seeing as how they almost never work, I'd say Vegeta is the best tactician then.

Vegeta as a tactician is more often stated than show though. Like him being this "master tactician" only started getting stated post-Namek, pretty much when he began to stop using tactics. Regardless if Piccolo's plans work or not, I'd put him over Vegeta as far as tactics go. I might even put Goku over him in that. Goku's no slouch himself.

Vegeta did use a successful tactic against Android 19, while Piccolo played dead. Vegeta's idea to use the spirit bomb also worked more than Piccolo's ideas in the Boo saga which always made things worse. I think Vegeta's much more successful than Piccolo. I might put Goku over him too though.

Vegeta's plan with the Spirit Bomb was cool, but didn't Goku have a legitimately smarter plan by bringing Gohan and Gotenks? I mean upon further going over the series, Vegeta's tactics has tended to work better than Piccolo's but as HeroR has pointed out, that's more so when he isn't actually fighting. Which I guess in that case, I'd put him over Goku as well. Though yeah, within fights, I'd probably put Goku over any of the other Z Fighters in tactics.

The question was whether or not the tactic worked. It didn't. He didn't buy Goten and Trunks weeks, he bought them hours. Yes, that was smart, but it didn't defeat boo while Vegeta's did.

Fair point, but Vegeta's tactics still gave him the win and had Piccolo gushing over him.

Piccolo gushing over Vegeta's battle smarts was extremely forced, especially when the tactic itself really made no sense. Why did Vegeta need to confirmed that the androids could suck energy if he saw that they could? All he really did in the end is leave himself open and he was lucky that he could bluff Gero, because Gero is kinda stupid.

A tactic that doesn't led to victory because of something that Piccolo had no way predicting isn't anything to knock points off of. Even Vegeta's great plan nearly fell apart and only got on trap because of Mr. Satan. The person he was willing to leave for dead when Kid Buu nuked the Earth.

Was Vegeta throwing a ki blast out looking for 20 sometime after finding out they absorb energy from the manga? Been a long time since I've read that part.

[HeroR]

And Gohan gets shit for letting Buu absorb Gotenks when there was no way of him knowing that he could do such thing.

No. He gets shit on because he could have killed Super Buu the moment he reappeared instead of listening to Buu egg Goten and Trunks.

At the end of the day, Vegeta was written to be a tactical genius there. Any issue you have with that, is an issue with Toriyama instead of Vegeta.

Did it work though? Can't say the same for Piccolos.

I don't want you to misunderstand though. Despite his many failures , I believe Piccolo to be a great tactician. He's still worse than Vegeta though.

Writing that someone is a tactical genius is different from showing someone is a tactical genius. Which is why I said Vegeta being a tactical genius is an informed ability. We're told that he is, but he doesn't show it, except when he isn't fighting.

And it only worked because Vegeta was lucky to have the right person at that very moment. For the lack of better words, Vegeta was lucky, while Piccolo wasn't.

[lord godly da don]

And Gohan gets shit for letting Buu absorb Gotenks when there was no way of him knowing that he could do such thing.

No. He gets shit on because he could have killed Super Buu the moment he reappeared instead of listening to Buu egg Goten and Trunks.

Facts, I was about to write the same thing. Gohan got cocky

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And Gohan gets shit for letting Buu absorb Gotenks when there was no way of him knowing that he could do such thing.

No. He gets shit on because he could have killed Super Buu the moment he reappeared instead of listening to Buu egg Goten and Trunks.

At the end of the day, Vegeta was written to be a tactical genius there. Any issue you have with that, is an issue with Toriyama instead of Vegeta.

Did it work though? Can't say the same for Piccolos.

I don't want you to misunderstand though. Despite his many failures , I believe Piccolo to be a great tactician. He's still worse than Vegeta though.

Writing that someone is a tactical genius is different from showing someone is a tactical genius. Which is why I said Vegeta being a tactical genius is an informed ability. We're told that he is, but he doesn't show it, except when he isn't fighting.

And it only worked because Vegeta was lucky to have the right person at that very moment. For the lack of better words, Vegeta was lucky, while Piccolo wasn't.

That's not a fact, a blood lusted Beerus and Gotenks had trouble killing Majin Boo. It's fully possible that Boo has to be "softened " up first by attacking and getting rid of his stamina before he can be killed with a beam.

[HeroR]

That's not a fact, a blood lusted Beerus and Gotenks had trouble killing Majin Boo. It's fully possible that Boo has to be "softened " up first by attacking and getting rid of his stamina before he can be killed with a beam.

Beerus wasn't trying to kill Buu. Just severely hurt him. If Beerus wanted Buu dead, he would be dead. Gotenks was about to kill Buu until his fusion broke. So no. Gohan could have killed Buu. He didn't, let Goten and Trunks fused, Gotenks got absorbed, and Buu kicked his ass.

[kinisking]

Writing that someone is a tactical genius is different from showing someone is a tactical genius. Which is why I said Vegeta being a tactical genius is an informed ability. We're told that he is, but he doesn't show it, except when he isn't fighting.

And it only worked because Vegeta was lucky to have the right person at that very moment. For the lack of better words, Vegeta was lucky, while Piccolo wasn't.

I'm pretty sure Vegeta also showed it while fighting on Namek. I remember him fighting underhandedly.

You're the one who told me luck is part of skill when we had the discussion about Goku getting lucky against Freeza while Gohan didn't against cell.

[HeroR]

Writing that someone is a tactical genius is different from showing someone is a tactical genius. Which is why I said Vegeta being a tactical genius is an informed ability. We're told that he is, but he doesn't show it, except when he isn't fighting.

And it only worked because Vegeta was lucky to have the right person at that very moment. For the lack of better words, Vegeta was lucky, while Piccolo wasn't.

I'm pretty sure Vegeta also showed it while fighting on Namek. I remember him fighting underhandedly.

You're the one who told me luck is part of skill when we had the discussion about Goku getting lucky against Freeza while Gohan didn't against cell.

He showed tactics outside of fighting, like how he stole Freeza's Dragon Balls. Him throwing sand in Zarbon's eyes was clever, but not tactical genius.

In this case, the luck was a person. A person Vegeta wanted to leave for dead and ripped Goku a new one for saving over their sons. So if it was up to him, he wouldn't even have his good luck and his entire plan would have failed. So Vegeta's brilliance was not only luck, it was irony.

[Chuquita]

Is it true there wont be DBS episode on March 12th because of Nagoya women's marathon?

Yup, the marathon begins at 9:10 AM on March 12th.

I'm glad I saw this because at least now I know. We're not far enough into the arc yet though for me to know how I'd feel about an extra break week there.

[Nejishiki]

Why people keep calling these matches "preliminary"? They are exhibitions match, they are even called Zen Exhibition Match.

Spoiler:

As you can see, both terms were used. "Preliminary" is acceptable within proper contexts.

[Baggie_Saiyan]

Why people keep calling these matches "preliminary"? They are exhibitions match, they are even called Zen Exhibition Match.

Spoiler:

As you can see, both terms were used. "Preliminary" is acceptable within proper contexts.

Exhibition was just the name of it thoigh for all intents and purpose it's preliminary.

[Nejishiki]

I understand that, yeah. It's clarification that others aren't wrong for their vocabulary (or was your message directed toward Alee9977?).

[SansrivaaL]

A lil out of topic but I just heard Shaman King anime plans got canceled because the author couldnt get the original VA's and use its old OST, in some way I am sort of glad this didnt happen with Dragon Ball, do you guys think the same would have happened with it if Toriyama couldnt get the original voice cast dubbing it?

[Ki Breaker]

A lil out of topic but I just heard Shaman King anime plans got canceled because the author couldnt get the original VA's and use its old OST, in some way I am sort of glad this didnt happen with Dragon Ball, do you guys think the same would have happened with it if Toriyama couldnt get the original voice cast dubbing it?

Seeing how much respect there is for nozawa, if she wouldn't be there I doubt they would be too eager..
But seeing how super has come to be, with that much rush to save their precious time slot I don't think anything was gonna stop Dragonball from being revived