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Re: The Official Unofficial Power Levels Thread

Post by Victorious » Tue Oct 08, 2013 7:47 am

No they didn't.
She seemed to take base Mighty mask a lot more seriously than she did SSJ Vegeta in the Android saga.

hapter: 453 (DBZ 259), P9.2-7
Context: as Trunks and Goten fight No.18 in their Mighty Mask costume
No.18: “…He really is a weird bastard…His arms and legs are extremely small for his body…And he’s so unusually strong…”

Chapter: 452 (DBZ 258), P12.2
Context: talking about the two disguised as Mighty Mask
No.18: “…That weird long-torso freak isn’t anyone ordinary…His small arms had surprisingly powerful punches.”


Chapter: 353 (DBZ 159), P10.2-4, P11.1
Context: after continuing to fight No.18
Vegeta: “This is really starting to annoy me. You act as if nothing’s happened…”
No.18: “I’m surprised. To think that a flesh-and-blood human could be so good, even if you are an alien. Is this man called ‘Son Goku’ even stronger?”
Vegeta: “Don’t kid yourself. He may have temporarily slipped by me, but now things have returned to normal and I should be on top again.”
No.18: “What? So you’re nothing special. Either of you.”


Not to mention Mighty mask didnt end up like this

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You might have something there if it actually were "non canon TOEI crud" but... um, sorry. It's not. TOEI is not responsible for the story of BoG, Toriyama is. BoG is a continuation of the series proper. It's as canon and official as everything Toriyama put into the manga. Personal opinions are null and void at the door. In the official Dragonball universe 100% Freeza > Base Goku.
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Post by VegettoEX » Tue Oct 08, 2013 8:36 am

Victorious wrote:lol, says you.
With a formal strike already lodged against your account, there is absolutely zero reason for you to have a perfectly-fine post with quotes and logical examples and then ruin the entire thing by ending it with a ridiculously rude statement like this.

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Re: The Official Unofficial Power Levels Thread

Post by TheMightyOzaru » Tue Oct 08, 2013 11:23 am

Zombie wrote:Getting 50 times stronger in 10 days is no way impossible. Piccolo did it on Kaio's planet.
Except he didn't.
Vegeta: "Funny... I seem to recall Kakarot being fed the same information right before he transformed; the distinct look on your faces when he went Super Saiyan didn't exactly inspire confidence. One does not predict or calculate power like ours."
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Re: The Official Unofficial Power Levels Thread

Post by Godo » Tue Oct 08, 2013 11:47 am

TheMightyOzaru wrote:
Zombie wrote:Getting 50 times stronger in 10 days is no way impossible. Piccolo did it on Kaio's planet.
Except he didn't.
Please elaborate.
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Re: The Official Unofficial Power Levels Thread

Post by TheMightyOzaru » Tue Oct 08, 2013 11:49 am

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Zombie wrote:Getting 50 times stronger in 10 days is no way impossible. Piccolo did it on Kaio's planet.
Except he didn't.
Please elaborate.
There's no proof he did or didn't so it's not really a valid point to make. Furthermore, he would have a BP of 175,000 before arriving on Namek, which is quite out there.
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Re: The Official Unofficial Power Levels Thread

Post by DBZGTKOSDH » Tue Oct 08, 2013 12:09 pm

Just noticed that I forgot to do Movie 4. :P Done now, along with Movies 8 & 9, plus the OVA & Jaco. Here are my previous listsBTW.

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Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
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Re: The Official Unofficial Power Levels Thread

Post by ZombieVito » Tue Oct 08, 2013 1:14 pm

Piccolo never expressed inferiority to Krillin or Gohan (they are easily on the 200K ranged). There's also Nails comments.
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Re: The Official Unofficial Power Levels Thread

Post by TheMightyOzaru » Tue Oct 08, 2013 1:37 pm

Zombie wrote:Piccolo never expressed inferiority to Krillin or Gohan (they are easily on the 200K ranged). There's also Nails comments.
Exactly, he never fought. He's stronger than the Krillin and Gohan that fought the Ginyu Force, but that's not saying much.
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Post by dbzfan7 » Tue Oct 08, 2013 1:40 pm

No power levels for the other's in Jaco?
Why Dragon Ball Consistency in something such as power levels matter!
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Re: The Official Unofficial Power Levels Thread

Post by RandomGuy96 » Tue Oct 08, 2013 1:44 pm

TheMightyOzaru wrote:
Zombie wrote:Piccolo never expressed inferiority to Krillin or Gohan (they are easily on the 200K ranged). There's also Nails comments.
Exactly, he never fought. He's stronger than the Krillin and Gohan that fought the Ginyu Force, but that's not saying much.
He sensed Gohan and Krillin fighting Freeza and said he needed to go and save them.
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He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.
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Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.
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Re: The Official Unofficial Power Levels Thread

Post by Xyex » Tue Oct 08, 2013 2:55 pm

Victorious wrote:She seemed to take base Mighty mask a lot more seriously than she did SSJ Vegeta in the Android saga.
Umm... yeah, no. She really wasn't taking him seriously at all, or the whole thing would have been over reeeeeally fast.
Victorious wrote:chapter: 453 (DBZ 259), P9.2-7
Context: as Trunks and Goten fight No.18 in their Mighty Mask costume
No.18: “…He really is a weird bastard…His arms and legs are extremely small for his body…And he’s so unusually strong…”
Well, no duh he's unusually strong' considering she was expecting to be fighting a human and was instead fighting a pair of Saiyans. If you think your opponent is just a decently skilled human (let's say, Krillin, since she knows him best) and he instead he's really an over powered Saiyan, you'd be surprised too. After all, there is a vast difference in power between 80 (being Krillin) and 5,000 (being the base kids). Though 5,000 still isn't anywhere near 230,000 (being Android 18).
Victorious wrote:Chapter: 452 (DBZ 258), P12.2
Context: talking about the two disguised as Mighty Mask
No.18: “…That weird long-torso freak isn’t anyone ordinary…His small arms had surprisingly powerful punches.”
Refer, again, to the above. Mighty Mask isn't anyone ordinary, he's not a normal human. He's a pair of Saiyan kids stacked on top of each other. Of course his power would be surprising. Doesn't put it anywhere near hers.
Victorious wrote:Chapter: 353 (DBZ 159), P10.2-4, P11.1
Context: after continuing to fight No.18
Vegeta: “This is really starting to annoy me. You act as if nothing’s happened…”
No.18: “I’m surprised. To think that a flesh-and-blood human could be so good, even if you are an alien. Is this man called ‘Son Goku’ even stronger?”
Vegeta: “Don’t kid yourself. He may have temporarily slipped by me, but now things have returned to normal and I should be on top again.”
No.18: “What? So you’re nothing special. Either of you.”
18 was expecting something more since Gero had been so fixated on Goku and had made them so strong to deal with him. Vegeta underwhelmed her because her expectations were high. Mighty Mask surprised her because her expectations were low. This is a really cut and dry issue, here.

Victorious wrote:Not to mention Mighty mask didnt end up like this

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Of course not. She wasn't using her full power against the boys, like she had been against Vegeta. By the above logic, since 2nd form Freeza never ended up with a hole in his chest like Raditz did, he was clearly stronger than Piccolo.
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Zombie wrote:Piccolo never expressed inferiority to Krillin or Gohan (they are easily on the 200K ranged). There's also Nails comments.
Exactly, he never fought. He's stronger than the Krillin and Gohan that fought the Ginyu Force, but that's not saying much.
He sensed Gohan and Krillin fighting Freeza and said he needed to go and save them.
Nail told him he'd never have a chance against Freeza as he was, but Piccolo never seems to think that's an issue until Nail mentions it. So clearly he's not paying attention to Freeza's power or if he's any real match for him, he just wants to save Gohan.
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Re: The Official Unofficial Power Levels Thread

Post by TheMightyOzaru » Tue Oct 08, 2013 3:07 pm

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Zombie wrote:Piccolo never expressed inferiority to Krillin or Gohan (they are easily on the 200K ranged). There's also Nails comments.
Exactly, he never fought. He's stronger than the Krillin and Gohan that fought the Ginyu Force, but that's not saying much.
He sensed Gohan and Krillin fighting Freeza and said he needed to go and save them.
Sensing energy is bull sh** and you know it.
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Re: The Official Unofficial Power Levels Thread

Post by Godo » Tue Oct 08, 2013 3:35 pm

TheMightyOzaru wrote: There's no proof he did or didn't so it's not really a valid point to make. Furthermore, he would have a BP of 175,000 before arriving on Namek, which is quite out there.
Oh, but if there is no proof whether he did or didn't, then it is totally plausible. Even if he was 175.000 that wouldn't be enough to even touch 1st form Freeza, which still would pretty much force him to fuse with Nail.
Furthermore, we have no multiplier for their fusion, so Piccolo could have stayed at 3.500 or even rocketed to 400.000 for all we know.
Now mind you that I myself don't believe that his power rose as great as 175.000, but it wouldn't be fair to assume that it isn't plausible at all, since it won't matter either way.
So there is a room for a lot of leeway regarding Piccolo's power here. Comparing his gains toward the gains of other warriors under Kaio's training wouldn't be right, especially if you compare the gains of the Earthlings vs. Goku at Kami's palace, which would make his claim a bit more plausible.

I do not like to see short and uninformative posts like "Except he didn't", which is why I quoted it.
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Re: The Official Unofficial Power Levels Thread

Post by TheMightyOzaru » Tue Oct 08, 2013 3:39 pm

Godo wrote:
TheMightyOzaru wrote: There's no proof he did or didn't so it's not really a valid point to make. Furthermore, he would have a BP of 175,000 before arriving on Namek, which is quite out there.
Oh, but if there is no proof whether he did or didn't, then it is totally plausible. Even if he was 175.000 that wouldn't be enough to even touch 1st form Freeza, which still would pretty much force him to fuse with Nail.
Furthermore, we have no multiplier for their fusion, so Piccolo could have stayed at 3.500 or even rocketed to 400.000 for all we know.
Now mind you that I myself don't believe that his power rose as great as 175.000, but it wouldn't be fair to assume that it isn't plausible at all, since it won't matter either way.
So there is a room for a lot of leeway regarding Piccolo's power here. Comparing his gains toward the gains of other warriors under Kaio's training wouldn't be right, especially if you compare the gains of the Earthlings vs. Goku at Kami's palace, which would make his claim a bit more plausible.

I do not like to see short and uninformative posts like "Except he didn't", which is why I quoted it.
If you don't agree, please explain so.
If you do, please explain why.
If you give an opinion, please elaborate.

This is not Twitter.
Not everyone is willing to sit here and go into detail about why they think something is the case :problem: . If you don't like that, that's your problem not mine. The point of my post, however, was to point out that Piccolo isn't officially 50 times stronger than he was prior to training on Kaio's planet. Since that is the case, he can't use that as an argument to support Gotenks getting 50 times stronger post ROSAT.
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TheMightyOzaru wrote: Not everyone is willing to sit here and go into detail about why they think something is the case :problem: . If you don't like that, that's your problem not mine. The point of my post, however, was to point out that Piccolo isn't officially 50 times stronger than he was prior to training on Kaio's planet. Since that is the case, he can't use that as an argument to support Gotenks getting 50 times stronger post ROSAT.
Dude, I am not asking you to go into detail.
Your comment was pretty much devoid of any more information than "no".

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Godo wrote:
TheMightyOzaru wrote: Not everyone is willing to sit here and go into detail about why they think something is the case :problem: . If you don't like that, that's your problem not mine. The point of my post, however, was to point out that Piccolo isn't officially 50 times stronger than he was prior to training on Kaio's planet. Since that is the case, he can't use that as an argument to support Gotenks getting 50 times stronger post ROSAT.
Dude, I am not asking you to go into detail.
Your comment was pretty much devoid of any more information than "no".

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Except my comments are more than yes and nos. Saying something isn't the case isn't devoid of substance. I'm merely stating that something isn't the case contrary to what someone thinks is or should be the case. I'm not willing to fully elaborate on certain things because that takes time.
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dbzfan7 wrote:No power levels for the other's in Jaco?
Who did I miss?
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Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
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Post by dbzfan7 » Tue Oct 08, 2013 10:46 pm

DBZGTKOSDH wrote:
dbzfan7 wrote:No power levels for the other's in Jaco?
Who did I miss?
Tights, the old guy, the shark, the thugs.
Why Dragon Ball Consistency in something such as power levels matter!
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dbzfan7 wrote:Tights, the old guy, the shark, the thugs.
Why should I bother, they are normal humans, not fighters.
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Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
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Post by DBZGTKOSDH » Wed Oct 09, 2013 3:58 am

Done with the movies!

About Hildegarn: I have him stronger than SS3 Goku, but weaker than SS3 Gotenks & Ultimate Gohan. He has much greater strength than his BP says (strong enough to KO Gohan & Gotenks after catching them off-guard), but his durability is much lower than his BP says (weak enough to get pierced by the weaker than him Ryu-ken from Goku), which is why he is using this ghostly technique to avoid damage.
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James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.

Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
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