Discussion specifically regarding the "Dragon Ball Super" TV series premiering July 2015 in Japan, including individual threads for each episode.
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by HeroR » Fri Feb 17, 2017 12:09 pm
Beyond wrote:I'm pretty sure Toyo is a Gohan fan so he'll get his due in the manga there should be no doubt there. The anime will probably give him the power boost, but they could still write him poorly that's what I'm more worried about right now. Hopefully if he gets some ultra powerful form it has some build up, but that more of a problem with super in general than any one character.
Gohan hasn't even appeared in the Toyo manga since the Battle of Gods Saga. The anime actually used Gohan and pretend he exists. Toyo is also the one who had Goku mad that Gohan wasn't at the U6 tournament, while anime Goku was far more understanding and even sympathetic.
So where is this idea that Toyo will treat Gohan better coming from?
Kanassa wrote:precita wrote:Goku will still be around but take a Buu saga approach backseat.
Goku barely took a backseat in the Buu saga, at best he took a leisurely stroll round back while everyone else cried for him to come back.
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by ChaosLordBrandon » Fri Feb 17, 2017 12:15 pm
HeroR wrote:Beyond wrote:I'm pretty sure Toyo is a Gohan fan so he'll get his due in the manga there should be no doubt there. The anime will probably give him the power boost, but they could still write him poorly that's what I'm more worried about right now. Hopefully if he gets some ultra powerful form it has some build up, but that more of a problem with super in general than any one character.
Gohan hasn't even appeared in the Toyo manga since the Battle of Gods Saga. The anime actually used Gohan and pretend he exists. Toyo is also the one who had Goku mad that Gohan wasn't at the U6 tournament, while anime Goku was far more understanding and even sympathetic.
So where is this idea that Toyo will treat Gohan better coming from?
From people who Toyo think is some perfect god with zero flaws.
when in the recent manga chapter he just had Mai survive getting hit full force by a enraged SSR Black Goku.
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by OLKv3 » Fri Feb 17, 2017 12:15 pm
King Jacku wrote:ArchedThunder wrote:A translation for what it says about Gohan from Kagari.
"This time Gohan is super serious! This top secret character sheet we obtained shows us a Gohan who has the appearance of the power unleashed Ultimate Gohan. See the difference with your own eyes! The strong Gohan who once exceeded his father has returned!"
Yeah I see the difference; he has no bang! Why?! All Yamamuro (or whoever did the design sheet) had to do was add the simplest thing and all the animators would have drawn him with it!
Other than that though, seeing Gohan serious is what I wanted the most, so I'm actually very happy.
Gohan didn't have the bang during the EoZ, so it's probably for consistency
ChaosLordBrandon wrote:HeroR wrote:Beyond wrote:I'm pretty sure Toyo is a Gohan fan so he'll get his due in the manga there should be no doubt there. The anime will probably give him the power boost, but they could still write him poorly that's what I'm more worried about right now. Hopefully if he gets some ultra powerful form it has some build up, but that more of a problem with super in general than any one character.
Gohan hasn't even appeared in the Toyo manga since the Battle of Gods Saga. The anime actually used Gohan and pretend he exists. Toyo is also the one who had Goku mad that Gohan wasn't at the U6 tournament, while anime Goku was far more understanding and even sympathetic.
So where is this idea that Toyo will treat Gohan better coming from?
From people who Toyo think is some perfect god with zero flaws.
when in the recent manga chapter he just had Mai surive getting hit full by enraged a SSR Black Goku.
No he didn't. It was a Kai. A Kai is nothing more than a heavy gust of wind. He simply pushed her away
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by mfwlegend3 » Fri Feb 17, 2017 12:16 pm
ChaosLordBrandon wrote:From people who Toyo think is some perfect god with zero flaws.
As a fan of the manga, I have yet to see someone claim Toyo's manga is one without flaws aside from obvious trolling bait. Where are you getting this from?
when in the recent manga chapter he just had Mai surive getting hit full by enraged a SSR Black Goku.
It was a kiai attack, it wasn't anything massive. It was enough to stop Mai from interfering.
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by kinisking » Fri Feb 17, 2017 12:16 pm
King Jacku wrote:ArchedThunder wrote:A translation for what it says about Gohan from Kagari.
"This time Gohan is super serious! This top secret character sheet we obtained shows us a Gohan who has the appearance of the power unleashed Ultimate Gohan. See the difference with your own eyes! The strong Gohan who once exceeded his father has returned!"
Yeah I see the difference; he has no bang! Why?! All Yamamuro (or whoever did the design sheet) had to do was add the simplest thing and all the animators would have drawn him with it!
Other than that though, seeing Gohan serious is what I wanted the most, so I'm actually very happy.
They need to make Cabba more unique.
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by SansrivaaL » Fri Feb 17, 2017 12:18 pm
ChaosLordBrandon wrote:HeroR wrote:Beyond wrote:I'm pretty sure Toyo is a Gohan fan so he'll get his due in the manga there should be no doubt there. The anime will probably give him the power boost, but they could still write him poorly that's what I'm more worried about right now. Hopefully if he gets some ultra powerful form it has some build up, but that more of a problem with super in general than any one character.
Gohan hasn't even appeared in the Toyo manga since the Battle of Gods Saga. The anime actually used Gohan and pretend he exists. Toyo is also the one who had Goku mad that Gohan wasn't at the U6 tournament, while anime Goku was far more understanding and even sympathetic.
So where is this idea that Toyo will treat Gohan better coming from?
From people who Toyo think is some perfect god with zero flaws.
when in the recent manga chapter he just had Mai survive getting hit full force by a enraged SSR Black Goku.
There's nothing wrong with playing with your food before killing em, he used a kiai for a reason, Black's a sadistic mf, the anime made that double clear so as his manga counterpart. Thats how sadistic beings are.
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by Beyond » Fri Feb 17, 2017 12:18 pm
HeroR wrote:Beyond wrote:I'm pretty sure Toyo is a Gohan fan so he'll get his due in the manga there should be no doubt there. The anime will probably give him the power boost, but they could still write him poorly that's what I'm more worried about right now. Hopefully if he gets some ultra powerful form it has some build up, but that more of a problem with super in general than any one character.
Gohan hasn't even appeared in the Toyo manga since the Battle of Gods Saga. The anime actually used Gohan and pretend he exists. Toyo is also the one who had Goku mad that Gohan wasn't at the U6 tournament, while anime Goku was far more understanding and even sympathetic.
So where is this idea that Toyo will treat Gohan better coming from?
I always thought Toyo was just projecting his own frustration through Goku(I'll admit that's a big assumption). Toyo's past work has Gohan powering up a lot(unless he didn't actually make AF).
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by Ki Breaker » Fri Feb 17, 2017 12:19 pm
kinisking wrote:King Jacku wrote:ArchedThunder wrote:A translation for what it says about Gohan from Kagari.
"This time Gohan is super serious! This top secret character sheet we obtained shows us a Gohan who has the appearance of the power unleashed Ultimate Gohan. See the difference with your own eyes! The strong Gohan who once exceeded his father has returned!"
Yeah I see the difference; he has no bang! Why?! All Yamamuro (or whoever did the design sheet) had to do was add the simplest thing and all the animators would have drawn him with it!
Other than that though, seeing Gohan serious is what I wanted the most, so I'm actually very happy.
They need to make Cabba more unique.
In the simplest of words
Fuck that skinny Little excuse of a Saiyan, #WeWantBangBack
gohan actually looks decent in the art work though
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by kinisking » Fri Feb 17, 2017 12:20 pm
HeroR wrote:Beyond wrote:I'm pretty sure Toyo is a Gohan fan so he'll get his due in the manga there should be no doubt there. The anime will probably give him the power boost, but they could still write him poorly that's what I'm more worried about right now. Hopefully if he gets some ultra powerful form it has some build up, but that more of a problem with super in general than any one character.
Gohan hasn't even appeared in the Toyo manga since the Battle of Gods Saga. The anime actually used Gohan and pretend he exists. Toyo is also the one who had Goku mad that Gohan wasn't at the U6 tournament, while anime Goku was far more understanding and even sympathetic.
So where is this idea that Toyo will treat Gohan better coming from?
The manga has a faster pace so that's why Gohan hasn't appeared. He most likely follows the outline a little more.
Toyo treated Gohan extremely well in his own db af manga.
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by namekiansaiyan » Fri Feb 17, 2017 12:20 pm
HeroR wrote:Beyond wrote:I'm pretty sure Toyo is a Gohan fan so he'll get his due in the manga there should be no doubt there. The anime will probably give him the power boost, but they could still write him poorly that's what I'm more worried about right now. Hopefully if he gets some ultra powerful form it has some build up, but that more of a problem with super in general than any one character.
Gohan hasn't even appeared in the Toyo manga since the Battle of Gods Saga. The anime actually used Gohan and pretend he exists. Toyo is also the one who had Goku mad that Gohan wasn't at the U6 tournament, while anime Goku was far more understanding and even sympathetic.
So where is this idea that Toyo will treat Gohan better coming from?
Gohan fans.
Ki Breaker wrote:Beyond wrote:I'm pretty sure Toyo is a Gohan fan so he'll get his due in the manga there should be no doubt there. The anime will probably give him the power boost, but they could still write him poorly that's what I'm more worried about right now. Hopefully if he gets some ultra powerful form it has some build up, but that more of a problem with super in general than any one character.
Naah, no buildup needed, even if gohan surpases berrus by rage we can still explain it by his potential was building up so much it exploded or something..
That's the best thing about him
Your comment basically says you like Gohan only becuase he is the strongest.
SansrivaaL wrote:kinisking wrote:namekiansaiyan wrote:
You are still getting excited about a character who with Ultimate form will be much weaker than Goku and Vegeta. This means according to the current Dragon ball fanbase he will be useless.
According to some, he's fodder and all his matches are a waste of time too just because he's weaker.
So basically 8 of em are fcked, seems reasonable. At least Gohan's still their 3rd strongest, meaning he will still be able to do stuffs that the other 7 would be more of a fodder.
I am not saying he will do the worse, I just hate this hype with Gohan when there is not much to get that hyped about. The worse thing is that everyone just forgets the other 7 members even though they are coming back to enter a tournament which involves the strongest in each universe. How can you not get excited about that.
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Too bad the ones they root for are the real fodder
This comment show once again that you only care about the strongest characters. This is a huge problem in the fanbase as too many fans seem to accept this 'fodder' status. I am probably the only fan in this fanbase that does not consider any member on team Universe 7 as 'fodder' or useless.
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by SansrivaaL » Fri Feb 17, 2017 12:21 pm
Ki Breaker wrote:kinisking wrote:King Jacku wrote:
Yeah I see the difference; he has no bang! Why?! All Yamamuro (or whoever did the design sheet) had to do was add the simplest thing and all the animators would have drawn him with it!
Other than that though, seeing Gohan serious is what I wanted the most, so I'm actually very happy.
They need to make Cabba more unique.
In the simplest of words
Fuck that skinny Little excuse of a Saiyan, #WeWantBangBack
gohan actually looks decent in the art work though
How dare you, Cabba is but a small child thrown into the wild, dont go blamin his pretty eye shape and skinny build.
I still see Vegeta, fck that hairstyle! bring back Gohan's bang! its so hard to see him as Gohan.
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by zamasu121 » Fri Feb 17, 2017 12:21 pm
ChaosLordBrandon wrote:HeroR wrote:Beyond wrote:I'm pretty sure Toyo is a Gohan fan so he'll get his due in the manga there should be no doubt there. The anime will probably give him the power boost, but they could still write him poorly that's what I'm more worried about right now. Hopefully if he gets some ultra powerful form it has some build up, but that more of a problem with super in general than any one character.
Gohan hasn't even appeared in the Toyo manga since the Battle of Gods Saga. The anime actually used Gohan and pretend he exists. Toyo is also the one who had Goku mad that Gohan wasn't at the U6 tournament, while anime Goku was far more understanding and even sympathetic.
So where is this idea that Toyo will treat Gohan better coming from?
From people who Toyo think is some perfect god with zero flaws.
when in the recent manga chapter he just had Mai surive getting hit full by enraged a SSR Black Goku.
this^
The manga/toyo circlejerk will never stop, even after this kind of bs people just brush it aside and act like its flawless.
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by mfwlegend3 » Fri Feb 17, 2017 12:23 pm
zamasu121 wrote:The manga/toyo circlejerk will never stop, even after this kind of bs people just brush it aside and act like its flawless.
At this point, this is senseless bashing. It's already been explained to you both in here and in the manga thread regarding the Black and Mai incident. Also, I really would like some examples of someone claiming that the manga is flawless that isn't trolling or bait.
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by kinisking » Fri Feb 17, 2017 12:24 pm
SansrivaaL wrote:Ki Breaker wrote:kinisking wrote:
They need to make Cabba more unique.
In the simplest of words
Fuck that skinny Little excuse of a Saiyan, #WeWantBangBack
gohan actually looks decent in the art work though
How dare you, Cabba is but a small child thrown into the wild, dont go blamin his pretty eye shape and skinny build.
I still see Vegeta, fck that hairstyle! bring back Gohan's bang! its so hard to see him as Gohan.
Yeah! Where's the glasses ?
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by HeroR » Fri Feb 17, 2017 12:26 pm
kinisking wrote:
The manga has a faster pace so that's why Gohan hasn't appeared. He most likely follows the outline a little more.
Toyo treated Gohan extremely well in his own db af manga.
Not why you're using a fan manga as reference. Especially since Gohan literally hasn't even made a cameo in the manga. Tights got more scenes then him.
Kanassa wrote:precita wrote:Goku will still be around but take a Buu saga approach backseat.
Goku barely took a backseat in the Buu saga, at best he took a leisurely stroll round back while everyone else cried for him to come back.
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by TheMathemagician » Fri Feb 17, 2017 12:27 pm
Does anyone know what that scan with the alien dude, teletubbie and Broli says?
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by zamasu121 » Fri Feb 17, 2017 12:28 pm
mfwlegend3 wrote:zamasu121 wrote:The manga/toyo circlejerk will never stop, even after this kind of bs people just brush it aside and act like its flawless.
At this point, this is senseless bashing. It's already been explained to you both in here and in the manga thread regarding the Black and Mai incident. Also, I really would like some examples of someone claiming that the manga is flawless that isn't trolling or bait.
Weak ass supreme kai managed to push off boo with that, so an enraged ssr black should have killed her with that.
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by Ki Breaker » Fri Feb 17, 2017 12:28 pm
namekiansaiyan wrote:
Your comment basically says you like Gohan only becuase he is the strongest.
No that would make me a broly fan..
The way I mean it's the best thing about him is as a character that dosen't need much explanation, from story point of view..
Not what is the best thing about gohan, if that makes sense
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by HeroR » Fri Feb 17, 2017 12:32 pm
zamasu121 wrote:mfwlegend3 wrote:At this point, this is senseless bashing. It's already been explained to you both in here and in the manga thread regarding the Black and Mai incident. Also, I really would like some examples of someone claiming that the manga is flawless that isn't trolling or bait.
Weak ass supreme kai managed to push off boo with that, so an enraged ssr black should have killed her with that.
I would like the point out that Buu did a similar ki pushed to the Supreme Kai and it had him screaming in agony. So, I would assume the same ki blast could rip the flash off a normal person. I mean, a tornado is just a funnel of wind if you break it down.
Kanassa wrote:precita wrote:Goku will still be around but take a Buu saga approach backseat.
Goku barely took a backseat in the Buu saga, at best he took a leisurely stroll round back while everyone else cried for him to come back.
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by kinisking » Fri Feb 17, 2017 12:34 pm
HeroR wrote:kinisking wrote:
The manga has a faster pace so that's why Gohan hasn't appeared. He most likely follows the outline a little more.
Toyo treated Gohan extremely well in his own db af manga.
Not why you're using a fan manga as reference. Especially since Gohan literally hasn't even made a cameo in the manga. Tights got more scenes then him.
The fan manga is where he had more control.
He even made him part of the cover in chapter one where he only popped up for a panel. Gohans lack of relevance in the manga is more because Toriyama didn't give him much of a role.
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