Official On-Going DBZ 2015 Movie Thread: "Resurrection 'F'"

[ABED]

Goku becoming stronger than General Tao by climbing a tower?

That's not exactly what happened. 1. Climbing straight up for that distance would work on stamina and strength, plus he trains with Karin. It's not just the tower, which he climbed twice.

[Retan]

RandomGuy96 aren't you the same guy who was arguing with me that Kuririn was stronger then Tienshinhan, because Toriyama said so, what the hell is the difference, besides Toriyama actually putting Freeza being a threat again into actual practice.

[Attitudefan]

So he was the editor through my favorite parts of the series, (Piccolo Damaio- The Saiyan Saga) but not the Freeza saga? Even more interesting!

It should also be noted that Torishima called up Toriyama and complained about the Artificial Humans, which led Toriyama to change them until finally he got to Cell. All this despite not being Toriyama's editor anymore!

So he's the editor during the best part of the series with the best art style. I now live this man and take his word as God's. Seriously.

The artificial humans were an asspull if there was one, not Freeza's new found power, guys. Haha.


So his complaints are legitimate and I believe he had the best chemistry with Toriyama. So having him around is a plus.

[Saiga]

RandomGuy96 aren't you the same guy who was arguing with me that Kuririn was stronger then Tenshinhan, because Toriyama said so, what the hell is the difference, besides Toriyama actually putting Freeza being a threat again into actual practice.

The difference being that there was never a huge difference between the two - so it didn't take much to bring Kuririn up. It's not "Toriyama said so" but also simply using the facts from the manga (Kuririn getting a big power up) versus the lack of any evidence against it. It wasn't even a power up exclusive to Kuririn, and it's also something we've seen used before and after. If Kuririn randomly got a unique power up purely to beat Tenshinhan, that'd be pretty weird, yeah.

@RandomGuy Hah, good catch. Well I finished the end of that sentence now.

[Retan]

it's not a fact, and RandomGuy96 only used a quote, from Toriyama outside the manga, he also said there was a huge difference between the two now which was never a fact either, and no there is no difference. Either you believe Toriyama word as gospel, or you believe only some of what he says, and you prove yourself a hypocrite, much like RandomGuy96 has done. Which is to believe Toriyama isn't correct to make Freeza that much stronger then he was.

[Saiga]

it's not a fact, and RandomGuy96 only used a quote, from Toriyama outside the manga, he also said there was a huge difference between the two now which was never a fact either, and no there is no difference. Either you believe Toriyama word as gospel, or you believe only some of what he says, and you prove yourself a hypocrite, much like RandomGuy96 has done. Which is to believe Toriyama isn't correct to make Freeza that much stronger then he was.

The fact I was referring to was simply the fact that we see Kuririn get a power up in the manga, but don't see anything on Tenshinhan's side. I wasn't saying it was a fact that Kuririn was stronger or anything.

RandomGuy has also used the stuff from the series, including Yamcha's quote. Toriyama's quote simply makes it much clearer. Believing some of what Toriyama says doesn't make someone a hypocrite at all - people are fallible, they make mistakes. We know for a fact that Toriyama has previously made mistakes. There's no need to take everything he says as gospel.

And finally, that's not what RandomGuy is even saying about Freeza. The argument isn't "Toriyama/the movie is wrong if it shows Freeza being more powerful" it's "yes, if the movie shows Freeza being stronger, he clearly is stronger (in that movie) but that's a terrible idea".

[Retan]

But it's not a terrible idea if he's got a good reason for it being freeza, and freeza being stronger.

[Saiga]

But it's not a terrible idea if it's got a point to it being freeza.

Having a point behind doesn't mean it can't also be a terrible idea. I'd say Goku's final zenkai on Namek was pretty bad, even though there was a clear point to it - even a need for it, since he couldn't compete otherwise.

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But it's not a terrible idea if he's got a good reason for it being freeza, and freeza being stronger.

Well yeah, if there is a good reason behind it. If Toriyama can justify the revival of Freeza somehow, and justify the boost he gets, that'd resolve the problems with the idea.

That's a pretty big if though, and for those of us who are critical, we just find that extremely unlikely.

[fadeddreams5]

This movie is being released April, right?

Maybe Frieza gets revived, only to get punched in the gut and die a second later. Rest of the movie is a party at Bulma's with Frieza's henchmen. This time they brought more pudding for Beerus.

[Retan]

You pretty much said you think it's a pretty bad idea, which is fine, all I'm saying is let's wait and see.

[Retan]

This movie is being released April, right?

Maybe Freeza gets revived, only to get punched in the gut and die a second later. Rest of the movie is a party at Bulma's with Freeza's henchmen. This time they brought more pudding for Beerus.

I'd have a bigger problem with that, then making Freeza a threat again.

[Chuquita]

BOG is such a huge help for guessing when stuff may happen this time around.

Looking for when the character sheets were uploaded onto BOG's site; came up with January 22nd, 2013. I hope DB15's isn't so deep into January.

[singsing]

BOG is such a huge help for guessing when stuff may happen this time around.

Looking for when the character sheets were uploaded onto BOG's site; came up with January 22nd, 2013. I hope DB15's isn't so deep into January.

I think we can expect everything to come out a few weeks later if compared to BoG. After all, BoG came out well before Golden Week.

[MasterVampire]

Even if the film sucks, if we really are getting a 5th and 6th form out of Freeza, it's all the more stuff I can use for my project. Way I see it, I win either way.

Even if Freeza got new transformations somehow I can't see him being that much stronger from it.

Maybe he would be around the level of 17 and 18 in the android saga at most with everyone else still being stronger than him.

[VyeRo]

Damn, I constantly check the site for updates on this movie and there was nothing, then I've been gone for a few days and now I had to go through so many, so many , pages.

When I first heard about Freeza being the main villain I honestly thought it was fake. So I went to Kanzenshuu and... lo and behold!
I'm kinda disappointed tbh, I figured Toriyama would have come up with a new villain just like Beerus, and he's showed us he's capable of creating new interesting characters even now. So Freeza again?? Meh....

On the storyline:
- The only way I would be satisfied with this story is if Vegeta gets to land the final blow on Freeza. He deserves it, and this is the perfect setting to give him closure on his past.
- I reaallly need to see Bra in this movie.
- SSJ God Vegeta with blue hair seems very likely to happen. I also like his new outfit.
- All of Chuquita's theories seem plausible and very interesting, especially the part about the Freezaverse. Trunks and Goten not existing (because they should have been on this poster!), Bulma/Vegeta not happening, everyone dead or living as subjects under Freeza....the perfect setting for angsty drama!
- Which ties into the wish. This wish is probably dimension/reality warping, so that's why it causes 'despair'. Didn't the movie's slogan have something to do with dimensions?

Count me pretty excited for this movie, despite the inclusion of Freeza.

[sintzu]

The only way I would be satisfied with this story is if Vegeta gets to land the final blow on Freeza.

I have no doubt about this happening but will he kill him or try to give him a second chance like Goku ?

[miguelnuva1]

Vegeta's role is not to land the final blow on the main villain. Has any one ever seen a manga/anime where the main character did beat the main villain.

[coola]

I also would love, if Vegeta was the one who finish Freeza, i mean, BoG make him "Stronger than Goku" so it would be nice continuation of that idea, plus, it would be final battle with demon from past, that make half of his live miserable.

[sintzu]

Vegeta's role is not to land the final blow on the main villain. Has any one ever seen a manga/anime where the main character did beat the main villain.

Dragon Ball wouldn't be what and where it is if it was like other anime/manga and with what Toriyama said a few months ago,how the poster is and how he was portrayed in BOG it's very likely he'll end up beating Frieza.

And keep in mind Toriyama already did it once in the Cell arc so there's no reason to think he won't do it again.

It would be final battle with a demon from past.

That might be one of the movie's themes.

[Marco Polo]