"Dragon Ball Super" Series Official Announcement & Discussion Thread

[SansrivaaL]

But Mystic alone can't make Gohan even close to Blue or Ikari... But most likely TOEI will simply still do it cuz they do not care to tell a proper story like with Trunks

No way man, that would really break the scaling, officially too..
Ultimate Gohan was two shotted by berrus in bog, blue is exponentially more power than him..
Now if he takes blue level opponents on with just his mystic that would absolutely suck, the only reason I might enjoy it will be because it's Gohan..

I am gonna flip if by some plot bs that Gohan in mystic form beats Hit.

[Beyond]

I hope he doesn't get ikari only because I know how he'd get it, and it wouldn't be good for my soul. Hopefully he gets something better.

[incarnati0n]

Again... Ikari would be perfect for Gohan and they could get a second chance of finally explaining it like it being the "god" transformations of hybrids or whatever.

But Mystic alone can't make Gohan even close to Blue or Ikari... But most likely TOEI will simply still do it cuz they do not care to tell a proper story like with Trunks

Why not, Mystic lets Gohan access all his power in his base form. It was never established that it had any limits or that Gohan couldn't become stronger through training. It's all up to what the writers want but it isn't because of mystic that he would not be able to reach those levels of power.

[perucho1990]

But Ikari is the only logical powerup for Gohan to reach SSJB level.

Mystic form was just Gohans version of full power SSJ, when the old Kai tells him transform like u tranform in SSJ.

He might unlock SSJ Ikari but the look of his transformation should look like he is mystic form.

[SansrivaaL]

Again... Ikari would be perfect for Gohan and they could get a second chance of finally explaining it like it being the "god" transformations of hybrids or whatever.

But Mystic alone can't make Gohan even close to Blue or Ikari... But most likely TOEI will simply still do it cuz they do not care to tell a proper story like with Trunks

Why not, Mystic lets Gohan access all his power in his base form. It was never established that it had any limits or that Gohan couldn't become stronger through training. It's all up to what the writers want but it isn't because of mystic that he would not be able to reach those levels of power.

Because mystic Gohan jobbed in BoG, Beerus didnt even want to touch him so he smacked Boo at him and K.O. no amount of BS can explain how Gohan can become equal to SSJB with mystic alone.

[kinisking]

What bothered me about Trunks is that he was constantly getting rage boosts without any precedent. How much shit has happened to him in the past ? Why didn't he get all these rage boosts back then ? Heck, why didn't he get them against Black during the time he was fighting him ? It just seems wildly inconsistent with Trunks past. Especially when you consider how much they powered hm up. Rage boosts in itself can be well done (like with Goku in the same arc ), but Trunks was pushing it with the amount of times he had them and the amount he powered up.

[Kishido]

What bothered me about Trunks is that he was constantly getting rage boosts without any precedent. How much shit has happened to him in the past ? Why didn't he get all these rage boosts back then ? Heck, why didn't he get them against Black during the time he was fighting him ? It just seems wildly inconsistent with Trunks past. Especially when you consider how much they powered hm up. Rage boosts in itself can be well done (like with Goku in the same arc ), but Trunks was pushing it with the amount of times he had them and the amount he powered up.

Yeah and even worse that it wasn't even touched in the anime at all... Hell we don't even have got character reactions by other characters asking what this transformation is... Not even by his dad

Gohan may be able to save the transfromation if he gets it if we get an explanation... If not it will be biggest asspull in history and we can only be happy that it won't ever appear again together with Future Trunks.

Sometimes I think TOEI mid arc realized... Damn it Trunks is too weak compared to them all, let give him something... But realized SSB would look stupid cuz he already has blue hair so they pulled this one out of their ass.

If not for Heroes we wouldn't even know what the form names would be... And please do not compare it to Super Saiyan 2... Cuz even while not named we knew this was the true form beyond Super Saiyan they tried to reach during Cell saga

And the most silly thing is... RAGE alone can't even explain in the slightest the blue god ki like aura and this huge god level boost... But if RAGE is indeed the trigger to the form like rage was originally for the SSJ and SSJ2 as well, than Gohan would fit the bill very much...

Still strange that Goku and Vegeta doesn't care for it after all... So I hope it is a hybrid form

[perucho1990]

What bothered me about Trunks is that he was constantly getting rage boosts without any precedent. How much shit has happened to him in the past ? Why didn't he get all these rage boosts back then ? Heck, why didn't he get them against Black during the time he was fighting him ? It just seems wildly inconsistent with Trunks past. Especially when you consider how much they powered hm up. Rage boosts in itself can be well done (like with Goku in the same arc ), but Trunks was pushing it with the amount of times he had them and the amount he powered up.

1 word: Retcon

Rage boost became a thing in the anime(as well as Zenkais), it all started with Vegeta getting rage boost vs Beerus.

Trunks, Goku, Vegeta, Black got rage boosts as well.

IIRC even Gowasu mentions how strong the power of rage was, basically making it DBS version of Nakama Power/Power of feelings.

[Kishido]

What bothered me about Trunks is that he was constantly getting rage boosts without any precedent. How much shit has happened to him in the past ? Why didn't he get all these rage boosts back then ? Heck, why didn't he get them against Black during the time he was fighting him ? It just seems wildly inconsistent with Trunks past. Especially when you consider how much they powered hm up. Rage boosts in itself can be well done (like with Goku in the same arc ), but Trunks was pushing it with the amount of times he had them and the amount he powered up.

1 word: Retcon

Rage boost became a thing in the anime(as well as Zenkais), it all started with Vegeta getting rage boost vs Beerus.

Trunks, Goku, Vegeta, Black got rage boosts as well.

IIRC even Gowasu mentions how strong the power of rage was, basically making it DBS version of Nakama Power/Power of feelings.

It would be a recton if not happened in the same series.

Vegeta got a rege boost but no Ikari.

Trunks fought Black more than once before traveling to the past and never once get a rage boost

[perucho1990]

Vegeta pushed Beerus to use 10% of his strength.

For Trunks it helped him that he got to train with Vegeta to reach SSJB level(V-Jump Magazine mentioned he got far stronger due to training with Vegeta), thats the only explanation why we later saw Trunks intercept SSR Black.

If Gohan gets it is because SSJ Ikari can only be reached by hybrids.

Its not Trunks fault Toriyama created a huge gap between SSJB levels and him, so Toei tried to make Trunks to stay relevant.

[kinisking]

What bothered me about Trunks is that he was constantly getting rage boosts without any precedent. How much shit has happened to him in the past ? Why didn't he get all these rage boosts back then ? Heck, why didn't he get them against Black during the time he was fighting him ? It just seems wildly inconsistent with Trunks past. Especially when you consider how much they powered hm up. Rage boosts in itself can be well done (like with Goku in the same arc ), but Trunks was pushing it with the amount of times he had them and the amount he powered up.

1 word: Retcon

Rage boost became a thing in the anime(as well as Zenkais), it all started with Vegeta getting rage boost vs Beerus.

Trunks, Goku, Vegeta, Black got rage boosts as well.

IIRC even Gowasu mentions how strong the power of rage was, basically making it DBS version of Nakama Power/Power of feelings.

Well,it's not like I think Gohan should be the only one to ever get rage boosts. I believe it's perfectly fine for other characters if it happens every now and then. Vegeta's showed his character development, and it didn't happen every other second so I was fine with it. Goku only did it once during the arc, and we desperately needed serious Goku so I was fine with that too. It's just trunks that I have a problem with. Honestly , if his only rage boost moment was ssj ikari, then I'd be fine with it too.

[Kanassa]

Well,it's not like I think Gohan should be the only one to ever get rage boosts. I believe it's perfectly fine for other characters if it happens every now and then. Vegeta's showed his character development, and it didn't happen every other second so I was fine with it. Goku only did it once during the arc, and we desperately needed serious Goku so I was fine with that too. It's just trunks that I have a problem with. Honestly , if his only rage boost moment was ssj ikari, then I'd be fine with it too.

Really, my biggest problem with that Rage form outside of the lack of explanation, is that I think that from a narrative standpoint, it came too early in the arc. Should of been left for the final battle to add extra weight to it. Veggito defuses, Zamasu prepares to finish Goku and Vegeta off, pulling out the transformation due to both Trunks feeling that it's his fault for dragging them into this mess and rage at the prospect of losing his father after finally getting to see the new Vegeta. And have GOku and Vegeta channelling their energy into Trunks to keep it stronger.

[kinisking]

Well,it's not like I think Gohan should be the only one to ever get rage boosts. I believe it's perfectly fine for other characters if it happens every now and then. Vegeta's showed his character development, and it didn't happen every other second so I was fine with it. Goku only did it once during the arc, and we desperately needed serious Goku so I was fine with that too. It's just trunks that I have a problem with. Honestly , if his only rage boost moment was ssj ikari, then I'd be fine with it too.

Really, my biggest problem with that Rage form outside of the lack of explanation, is that I think that from a narrative standpoint, it came too early in the arc. Should of been left for the final battle to add extra weight to it. Veggito defuses, Zamasu prepares to finish Goku and Vegeta off, pulling out the transformation due to both Trunks feeling that it's his fault for dragging them into this mess and rage at the prospect of losing his father after finally getting to see the new Vegeta. And have GOku and Vegeta channelling their energy into Trunks to keep it stronger.

That's a pretty good idea too! Although itt would leave the strength of the form more ambiguous which could be a good or bad thing depending on the person. Really, the Ft arc only needed a few lines here and there to make it go from an 8 to a 9 imo. Merged Zamasu explicitly says t he got much weaker from Vegettos attacks, King Kai saying the original spirit bomb was created by accident just like Future Trunks' one, and Goku or Vegeta speculating about Future Trunks using partial god ki in As ikari .

[Kanassa]

That's a pretty good idea too! Although itt would leave the strength of the form more ambiguous which could be a good or bad thing depending on the person. Really, the Ft arc only needed a few lines here and there to make it go from an 8 to a 9 imo. Merged Zamasu explicitly says t he got much weaker from Vegettos attacks, King Kai saying the original spirit bomb was created by accident just like Future Trunks' one, and Goku or Vegeta speculating about Future Trunks using partial god ki in As ikari .

I can imagine that the only technique to the spirit bomb itself is when taking energy from things that can't actually consent or are unwilling. Like plants or animals who don't understand one thing about the whole mess, but getting energy from willing participants just requires them to want to give it. Especially when all these people are very close to Trunks spiritually.

Or just have Goku yell at Trunks a small instruction while telling Bulma that this is like how they beat Buu prompting her to tell everyone to raise their hands.

[kinisking]

That's a pretty good idea too! Although itt would leave the strength of the form more ambiguous which could be a good or bad thing depending on the person. Really, the Ft arc only needed a few lines here and there to make it go from an 8 to a 9 imo. Merged Zamasu explicitly says t he got much weaker from Vegettos attacks, King Kai saying the original spirit bomb was created by accident just like Future Trunks' one, and Goku or Vegeta speculating about Future Trunks using partial god ki in As ikari .

I can imagine that the only technique to the spirit bomb itself is when taking energy from things that can't actually consent or are unwilling. Like plants or animals who don't understand one thing about the whole mess, but getting energy from willing participants just requires them to want to give it. Especially when all these people are very close to Trunks spiritually.

Or just have Goku yell at Trunks a small instruction while telling Bulma that this is like how they beat Buu prompting her to tell everyone to raise their hands.

Yup. All they needed to do was tweak the arc ever so slightly and it'd be so much better.

[Sandubadear]

Well,it's not like I think Gohan should be the only one to ever get rage boosts. I believe it's perfectly fine for other characters if it happens every now and then. Vegeta's showed his character development, and it didn't happen every other second so I was fine with it. Goku only did it once during the arc, and we desperately needed serious Goku so I was fine with that too. It's just trunks that I have a problem with. Honestly , if his only rage boost moment was ssj ikari, then I'd be fine with it too.

Really, my biggest problem with that Rage form outside of the lack of explanation, is that I think that from a narrative standpoint, it came too early in the arc. Should of been left for the final battle to add extra weight to it. Veggito defuses, Zamasu prepares to finish Goku and Vegeta off, pulling out the transformation due to both Trunks feeling that it's his fault for dragging them into this mess and rage at the prospect of losing his father after finally getting to see the new Vegeta. And have GOku and Vegeta channelling their energy into Trunks to keep it stronger.

In my opinion that would be too much Deus ex Machina-y.

[Kanassa]

Well,it's not like I think Gohan should be the only one to ever get rage boosts. I believe it's perfectly fine for other characters if it happens every now and then. Vegeta's showed his character development, and it didn't happen every other second so I was fine with it. Goku only did it once during the arc, and we desperately needed serious Goku so I was fine with that too. It's just trunks that I have a problem with. Honestly , if his only rage boost moment was ssj ikari, then I'd be fine with it too.

Really, my biggest problem with that Rage form outside of the lack of explanation, is that I think that from a narrative standpoint, it came too early in the arc. Should of been left for the final battle to add extra weight to it. Veggito defuses, Zamasu prepares to finish Goku and Vegeta off, pulling out the transformation due to both Trunks feeling that it's his fault for dragging them into this mess and rage at the prospect of losing his father after finally getting to see the new Vegeta. And have GOku and Vegeta channelling their energy into Trunks to keep it stronger.

In my opinion that would be too much Deus ex Machina-y.

It's be less Deus ex Machina than when Trunks usually gets it, as well as being more thematically heavy.

[kinisking]

Well,it's not like I think Gohan should be the only one to ever get rage boosts. I believe it's perfectly fine for other characters if it happens every now and then. Vegeta's showed his character development, and it didn't happen every other second so I was fine with it. Goku only did it once during the arc, and we desperately needed serious Goku so I was fine with that too. It's just trunks that I have a problem with. Honestly , if his only rage boost moment was ssj ikari, then I'd be fine with it too.

Really, my biggest problem with that Rage form outside of the lack of explanation, is that I think that from a narrative standpoint, it came too early in the arc. Should of been left for the final battle to add extra weight to it. Veggito defuses, Zamasu prepares to finish Goku and Vegeta off, pulling out the transformation due to both Trunks feeling that it's his fault for dragging them into this mess and rage at the prospect of losing his father after finally getting to see the new Vegeta. And have GOku and Vegeta channelling their energy into Trunks to keep it stronger.

In my opinion that would be too much Deus ex Machina-y.

More so than him making a spirit bomb out of nowhere ?

[Sandubadear]

Really, my biggest problem with that Rage form outside of the lack of explanation, is that I think that from a narrative standpoint, it came too early in the arc. Should of been left for the final battle to add extra weight to it. Veggito defuses, Zamasu prepares to finish Goku and Vegeta off, pulling out the transformation due to both Trunks feeling that it's his fault for dragging them into this mess and rage at the prospect of losing his father after finally getting to see the new Vegeta. And have GOku and Vegeta channelling their energy into Trunks to keep it stronger.

In my opinion that would be too much Deus ex Machina-y.

More so than him making a spirit bomb out of nowhere ?

Yes, because in that case he'd go instantly from weakass to able to make a Genki Dama able to kill Zamasu. At least he got SSJ Ikari before, so he went up a tier before making the Genki Dama that killed Zamasu.

[Kanassa]

In my opinion that would be too much Deus ex Machina-y.

More so than him making a spirit bomb out of nowhere ?

Yes, because in that case he'd go instantly from weakass to able to make a Genki Dama able to kill Zamasu. At least he got SSJ Ikari before, so he went up a tier before making the Genki Dama that killed Zamasu.

The Genki Dama is only a matter of strength and power of the user when the target is pushing back, in this instance Trunks basically developed and unblock-able and more powerful version of it (Though, it wouldn't of killed Kid Buu).