"Dragon Ball Super (Manga)" Official Discussion Thread

[CashmanX]

It's absolutely mind blowing how many chapters this arc has been going relative to the previous ones. Here's a quick recap:

BoG: 4
U6: 9
FT: 13
US: 16
MORO: 21 and counting!

If this lasts until January, it will officially be twice the length of the Future Trunks arc.

[GodVegetto91]

My main gripe with Super is that it’s apparently FORBIDDEN for Goku or Vegeta to get a single win by straight up overpowering their opponent and destroying them WITHOUT the need for any outside help. Even during the Resurrection F arc weren’t they allowed to do that. Goku killed Frieza with the help of Vegeta and Whis. All to “increase the tension”. I understand that they want tension to be a part of the show, but why must that always be present EVERY SINGLE Arc!???

It would be a nice fresh change to at least “ONCE” have our hero straight up overpower and destroy the enemy without any difficulties or outside help.

[JulieYBM]

God, I wish Cranberry had been the main antagonist. Cranberry and Vegeta would have had such great chemistry as the arc's protagonist and antagonists.

[DiscountDabi]

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My main gripe with Super is that it’s apparently FORBIDDEN for Goku or Vegeta to get a single win by straight up overpowering their opponent and destroying them WITHOUT the need for any outside help. Even during the Resurrection F arc weren’t they allowed to do that. Goku killed Frieza with the help of Vegeta and Whis. All to “increase the tension”. I understand that they want tension to be a part of the show, but why must that always be present EVERY SINGLE Arc!???

It would be a nice fresh change to at least “ONCE” have our hero straight up overpower and destroy the enemy without any difficulties or outside help.

I get your point, but its not like Z did this either. The closest you get is Gohan vs Cell and even then he had to jump through like 40 hoops just to get there. The last straight one on one victory without shenanigans or outside help was Goku vs Piccolo in Dragon Ball. Which also happens to be my Favorite fight in the series.


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Wow Moro, that sounds so interesting, CAN WE SEE A FEW OF THOSE.

[Matches Malone]

My main gripe with Super is that it’s apparently FORBIDDEN for Goku or Vegeta to get a single win by straight up overpowering their opponent and destroying them WITHOUT the need for any outside help.

That's fine every now and then, but it just becomes repetitive when it happens in literally every arc. At this point it's more or less a guarantee that Goku will lose, only for Vegeta to jump in and lose again, only for Beerus or Dai Kaio to get the big win and "surprise" everyone.

[HulkTySSJ4]

My main gripe with Super is that it’s apparently FORBIDDEN for Goku or Vegeta to get a single win by straight up overpowering their opponent and destroying them WITHOUT the need for any outside help. Even during the Resurrection F arc weren’t they allowed to do that. Goku killed Frieza with the help of Vegeta and Whis. All to “increase the tension”. I understand that they want tension to be a part of the show, but why must that always be present EVERY SINGLE Arc!???

It would be a nice fresh change to at least “ONCE” have our hero straight up overpower and destroy the enemy without any difficulties or outside help.

They do.
Fodder/henchmen/non-main canon villain of current arc

[Xeogran]

God, I wish Cranberry had been the main antagonist. Cranberry and Vegeta would have had such great chemistry as the arc's protagonist and antagonists.

A random henchman coming of power and being a threat would be really refreshing for DB. And it could easily be done if he just wished to swap his skillset with Moro, such a missed opportunity

[GodVegetto91]

My main gripe with Super is that it’s apparently FORBIDDEN for Goku or Vegeta to get a single win by straight up overpowering their opponent and destroying them WITHOUT the need for any outside help. Even during the Resurrection F arc weren’t they allowed to do that. Goku killed Frieza with the help of Vegeta and Whis. All to “increase the tension”. I understand that they want tension to be a part of the show, but why must that always be present EVERY SINGLE Arc!???

It would be a nice fresh change to at least “ONCE” have our hero straight up overpower and destroy the enemy without any difficulties or outside help.

They do.
Fodder/henchmen/non-main canon villain of current arc

Very clearly am I talking about a main villain here in case that wasn’t clear to you yet...

[Magnificent Ponta]

My main gripe with Super is that it’s apparently FORBIDDEN for Goku or Vegeta to get a single win by straight up overpowering their opponent and destroying them WITHOUT the need for any outside help. Even during the Resurrection F arc weren’t they allowed to do that. Goku killed Frieza with the help of Vegeta and Whis. All to “increase the tension”. I understand that they want tension to be a part of the show, but why must that always be present EVERY SINGLE Arc!???

It would be a nice fresh change to at least “ONCE” have our hero straight up overpower and destroy the enemy without any difficulties or outside help.

They do.
Fodder/henchmen/non-main canon villain of current arc

Very clearly am I talking about a main villain here in case that wasn’t clear to you yet...

Well, it throws up a fair point - if they can just beat the main villain straightforwardly, what's the difference between the main villain and a fodder scrub? That's the gag they played with in Yo! Son Goku and Friends Return!, and while that's fine for one-off, light-hearted fare, is there much point to it in a proper, serialised story?

The whole point is to keep the audience engaged over a particular adversary or overriding problem for a string of issues, isn't it? You can't really do that with a villain who's easily beaten using the resources the heroes already have to hand, and who has nothing else up their sleeve to make the encounter worthwhile.

[Matches Malone]

You can't really do that with a villain who's easily beaten using the resources the heroes already have to hand, and who has nothing else up their sleeve to make the encounter worthwhile.

No one's saying it has to be easy, we just want to see the heroes pull it off through hard work, just like they did back in the day. The problem now is that they're constantly having outside help, and from beings who should be neutral no less.

[Magnificent Ponta]

You can't really do that with a villain who's easily beaten using the resources the heroes already have to hand, and who has nothing else up their sleeve to make the encounter worthwhile.

No one's saying it has to be easy, we just want to see the heroes pull it off through hard work, just like they did back in the day. The problem now is that they're constantly having outside help, and from beings who should be neutral no less.

They pulled it off themselves in just the last arc, didn't they? And they won the Universe 6 Tournament in a de facto sense, too. Seems to me they're mixing it up, but since the whole premise of Super is predicated on our heroes moving into the same realm of power and scope of action that deities typically occupy, it's hardly surprising (or really objectionable) to see deities and other cosmic beings as regular actors in the storylines, whether as protagonists, antagonists, or plot devices - at least, in my opinion.

[JulieYBM]

God, I wish Cranberry had been the main antagonist. Cranberry and Vegeta would have had such great chemistry as the arc's protagonist and antagonists.

A random henchman coming of power and being a threat would be really refreshing for DB. And it could easily be done if he just wished to swap his skillset with Moro, such a missed opportunity

Not to mention his tie to Vegeta and the events on Namek that are still haunting Vegeta would play better dramatically. Who gives a flying fuck about Moro? This arc was a perfect chance to get even deeper into Vegeta's past and contrast it with his present while using Cranberry as a character in Vegeta's life, too.

[LoganForkHands73]

... Why does Moro look like a cool uncle in this picture?

[Miracles]

... Why does Moro look like a cool uncle in this picture?

I miss Moro's goat form.

[JulieYBM]

... Why does Moro look like a cool uncle in this picture?

Why does Moro not look like a Cool Gay Aunt in this picture?

[theherodjl]

Does anyone think that Moro was designed as a goat based on the pun? Aside from the goat that is associated with satanic imagery thus a reason to base a villain off of it, I can't think of any other reason why Moro would be a goat other than a pun of some kind like in DB tradition.

[LoganForkHands73]

Does anyone think that Moro was designed as a goat based on the pun? Aside from the goat that is associated with satanic imagery thus a reason to base a villain off of it, I can't think of any other reason why Moro would be a goat other than a pun of some kind like in DB tradition.

I think his name is a pun on "Moloch", the Canaanite deity who's seen as a Satanic figure nowadays. You're right that his design is very heavily rooted in Satanic imagery so a goat-like appearance was only natural. I think it also ties into his insatiable appetite -- anyone who's ever been around goats knows that the fuckers never stop eating. I've seen them happily eat inedible things like bricks and bags. A few years ago, the park rangers of the Galapagos Islands systematically exterminated all the goats on the island with machine guns because they were destroying the natural ecosystem.

Thinking about it, the idea of Moro steadily getting younger and handsomer may tie into the idea that Satan is attractive to weak-minded followers, which is basically how he leads the escaped prisoners. The only problem is that the prisoners' relationships to him aren't really fleshed out besides what Saganbo said about making them feel powerful, but I still find it a little hard to believe that these hardened convicts and raiders would be so blindly devoted to someone like Moro unless there were more incentive, like if he gave them all specific false promises like "I'll give you whole planets to rule if you work for me".

[Tai Lung]

I wonder if we'll get a Moro origin story chapter just before he is defeated? Perhaps we could learn how & why Moro absorbs life-energy and what led him to desiring universal conquest? I don't really buy that Moro's technique is natural or that its something that he could easily obtain so an explanation would be great.

Super writers can't make flashbacks even if their life depended on it. Most likely Moro's origin story would end up as shallow and pathetic as Jiren's. A generic 2 minutes-long flashback just so that the writers can pretend they tried to flesh-out the villain.

The only origin story these guys did perfectly was Zamasu's, and they devoted like 8 episodes to it. If they wanted to explain Moro's past, they should have done it earlier. Maybe Toei can take the memo, we'll see when the anime adapts the Moro arc.

(Actually I can't recall if Toyotaro even gave Jiren a backstory, I think the flashback was anime only)

they explained it in the most pathetic and poor way possible a giant text dialogue from toppo talking about jiren's motivation ...

[Dragon Wukong]

My main gripe with Super is that it’s apparently FORBIDDEN for Goku or Vegeta to get a single win by straight up overpowering their opponent and destroying them WITHOUT the need for any outside help. Even during the Resurrection F arc weren’t they allowed to do that. Goku killed Frieza with the help of Vegeta and Whis. All to “increase the tension”. I understand that they want tension to be a part of the show, but why must that always be present EVERY SINGLE Arc!???

It would be a nice fresh change to at least “ONCE” have our hero straight up overpower and destroy the enemy without any difficulties or outside help.

That's because a victory like that is a "simple" easy to write and potentially very unsatisfying victory. We already had that in the Frieza arc, so what worth is there in doing that again?

[GodVegetto91]

My main gripe with Super is that it’s apparently FORBIDDEN for Goku or Vegeta to get a single win by straight up overpowering their opponent and destroying them WITHOUT the need for any outside help. Even during the Resurrection F arc weren’t they allowed to do that. Goku killed Frieza with the help of Vegeta and Whis. All to “increase the tension”. I understand that they want tension to be a part of the show, but why must that always be present EVERY SINGLE Arc!???

It would be a nice fresh change to at least “ONCE” have our hero straight up overpower and destroy the enemy without any difficulties or outside help.

That's because a victory like that is a "simple" easy to write and potentially very unsatisfying victory. We already had that in the Frieza arc, so what worth is there in doing that again?

Uhm because numbers... More than 90% of all Arcs are ALREADY the opposite of that. So now it is EXACTLY the time it would be refreshing.