Ocean Studios' "Dragon Ball Kai" Dub Turns 16; Still Unreleased

[MetaMoss]

To me that sounds like a typo for "unfortunately." That would make the most sense.

Or maybe he wasn't too keen on conversing with SX10. "Fortunately, I have a legal excuse to get you out of my hair." It's probably a typo.

[SX10]

I knew I was being paranoid.

Oh, I woke up to another reply:

"I really can't say anything at all about anything. Sad face."

Sooooooooooo…

[NitroEX]

Well, I guess that confirms there are definitely non-disclosure agreements in place now. It seemed to be a grey area for some actors before but it looks like they've tightened up since then. I suppose this lessens the chances of finding out anything new at the upcoming Metrocon. Still, it's worth a try though.

Well, I bit the bullet and just messaged Lee Tockar directly through his facebook private messenger:
His response:

"And fortunately I am not at liberty to say because of nondisclosure agreements… But if you go on line and onto forums and there may be some information that you're looking for Re : release date"

The part about forums makes me wonder, was thinking of this specific thread or someplace else? Because I haven't seen any legitimate release date posted anywhere.

[UltimateHammerBro]

"But if you go on line and onto forums and there may be some information that you're looking for Re : release date"

The part about forums makes me wonder, was thinking of this specific thread or someplace else? Because I haven't seen any legitimate release date posted anywhere.

SX10, was "Re : release date" the name of the message he wrote (as in: your message was "Release date" and his was "Re : release date")?

If it isn't, maybe there is a forum post somewhere, specifically titled "Re : release date", which talks about it. He could be trying to give you a hint.

[SX10]

"But if you go on line and onto forums and there may be some information that you're looking for Re : release date"

The part about forums makes me wonder, was thinking of this specific thread or someplace else? Because I haven't seen any legitimate release date posted anywhere.

SX10, was "Re : release date" the name of the message he wrote (as in: your message was "Release date" and his was "Re : release date")?

If it isn't, maybe there is a forum post somewhere, specifically titled "Re : release date", which talks about it. He could be trying to give you a hint.

Nope, it wasn't the name of the message I sent. I actually thought that it was maybe a typo. Although maybe it is a hint! Never thought of it that way. Could be something new to look into

[UltimateHammerBro]

Nope, it wasn't the name of the message I sent. I actually thought that it was maybe a typo. Although maybe it is a hint! Never thought of it that way. Could be something new to look into

I tried a quick Google search for something related to the Ocean dub with had the title "Re : release date", but I only got results of "re-release". I bet there are people who are better at this, though

Spoiler:

I may be overthinking it, but I thought something else too. The "and fortunately" vs "unfortunately" bit makes me think that he might have dictated the message rather than typed it. However, I don't think the "Re : release date" is dictated, unless he specifically said "Re, colon, release date". It makes the possibility of it being a hint a little more plausible.

[Super Sayian Prime]

I think the Korea part specifically is probably wrong, but I wouldn't be surprised if it's another Asian country that this person just happened to mistake for Korea. When I read the post that first described the situation, I didn't read it as, "It aired in Korea," I kind of interpreted it as, "It aired in, like, Korea, or something."

I could be wrong of course, maybe they did mean Korea, but I think the person might have mistaken it for another Asian country.

The problem with that theory is that we know Funimation's English dub aired on Toonami/Cartoon Network Asia.

Just so I understand, do you mean their English dub of Kai specifically? I'm just trying to be clear if you meant Kai or DBZ.

Both. AFAIK Kai ran on CN Asia with Funimation's dub. DBZ is currently airing on Toonami Asia with Funimation's dub.

[Dragon Ball Ireland]

I don't have high hopes for this to work, and I'm guessing someone has probably asked him to do this before or there are other legal issues preventing it but I messaged Lee Tockar on Facebook asking would Ocean be able to give him permission to post a clip of him playing Frieza on Youtube, and if it got enough views it could show there's interest in the dub and help sell it to Canadian networks.

A long shot I know, but I do hope Ocean know at this stage they could show confidence in their work and give it some real attention if they offer the actors some leeway to showcase some of the (hopefully fantastic) they've done.

[NitroEX]

Ocean won't budge on that unfortunately. A while ago a Blue Water actor spoke about how they had no luck getting Ocean to allow them use of a short clip from GT in their acting showreel, the actor eventually had to resort to asking fans to help them get a copy of the television recording (thank Kami those exist).

It seems like there's a very tight lid on Ocean's video library, either that or they delete older projects. On top of that the company is probably under a lot of pressure from the Kai's producers to keep the dub a secret so even if they wanted to do something about it they probably can't. Ocean have no way of releasing their own shows anyway so it's ultimately someone else's job to get the dub seen on television and advertised, obviously that person hasn't done their job very well though.

For what it's worth I do think that a leaked clip would be enough to get the ball rolling and reignite hype for this dub. The Deadpool movie is proof that leaked footage can be enough to save a project from development hell.

[TVfan721]

I can't search through this whole thing again. Where did that other intro come from? (fight with fire, fight with DBZ or whatever it's saying)

[Ajay]

I can't search through this whole thing again. Where did that other intro come from? (fight with fire, fight with DBZ or whatever it's saying)

It was on the composer's website.

[TheBlackPaladin]

For what it's worth I do think that a leaked clip would be enough to get the ball rolling and reignite hype for this dub. The Deadpool movie is proof that leaked footage can be enough to save a project from development hell.

I'd like to believe that, but Deadpool didn't involve Japan, and Japanese corporate culture is such that they place a very, very, very high value on the concept of trust, and that extends to secrecy about a project. I won't say which company it is, but I've talked to an employee from a well-known, respected anime dubbing company who said that this dubbing company has lost Japanese clients because actors talked about their involvement in a dub before they were cleared to do so.

And that's just when an actor talked before being given the OK to do so. I'd have to imagine that a leaked clip would, to Toei, look infinitely worse.

[TVfan721]

Regarding the CRTC thing from November, is there any way of knowing if those two Kai listings are the Ocean version? I'm noticing American shows like American Dad and Family Guy are now appearing on this "Canadian Program List"

https://services.crtc.gc.ca/pub/CanrecL ... 2-31&C=07E

[wjbraden]

Regarding the CRTC thing from November, is there any way of knowing if those two Kai listings are the Ocean version? I'm noticing American shows like American Dad and Family Guy are now appearing on this "Canadian Program List"

https://services.crtc.gc.ca/pub/CanrecL ... 2-31&C=07E

True, those are American shows, but if you notice those listings, they have "VF" listed after them, which stands for "Version Francais" or "French version". Both Family Guy and American Dad have French dubs recorded in Quebec, which is why they on this list.

[TVfan721]

What's the reason then for Simpsons being on there then?

[wjbraden]

What's the reason then for Simpsons being on there then?

The same reason.

[Arian]

Well the CRTC list are for productions that are made in Canada. The reason you see Family Guy and American Dad is because those are French-language dubs made in Canada, otherwise, they wouldn't be on the list.

[TVfan721]

What's the reason then for Simpsons being on there then?

The same reason.

No mention though of it being a french dub.

[Arian]

Whether in English or French, if the dub was recorded in Canada, it makes the list.

I hope that clears up any confusion.

[NitroEX]

Regarding the CRTC thing from November, is there any way of knowing if those two Kai listings are the Ocean version? I'm noticing American shows like American Dad and Family Guy are now appearing on this "Canadian Program List"

Besides the French language thing, I've heard that American TV shows do hire Canadian actors and staff to help bypass the CRTC. As far as I'm aware the shows don't need to be entirely Canadian to pass, they just need to meet a certain quota. At least, that's my understanding of it.

Aside from Dameon Clarke, (who I don't believe was even credited by his real name) I don't think any other Canadians were involved in Funimation's Kai dub. It probably wouldn't pass the CRTC since it's comprised of a Texas cast and dubbed in Sabat's own local studio. Although now that I think about it, I suppose Ocean were credited for video editing on Funi's Nicktoons dub so maybe that would count for something but it's doubtful. Ocean's dub would no doubt be the more appealing option to air in Canada since it has the benefit of a majority Canadian cast along with the soundtrack, foley and mixing all being done locally.