"Dragon Ball Super" Series Official Announcement & Discussion Thread

[dragonballgeek]

Honestly Whis should get in touch with all the fighters. There is absolutely no reason for them being unable to rise to ssj3 boo saga levels with his training.

Please, Krillin, Tien and Roshi could probably not even take a 200G Gravity Room training, last a whole day (year) in the RoSaT, I don't think Whis would soft his training for them as it would bring no benefit, but I can see Gohan and Piccolo training with him though.

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Krillin and tien could most definitely last a whole year in the HTC if kid Goku can last around a month in there.

If Whis can't adapt his training schedule, then he's a bad teacher. It's as simple as that.

I think ssj3 Goku during the Buu saga is a little far fetched..

[kinisking]

Please, Krillin, Tien and Roshi could probably not even take a 200G Gravity Room training, last a whole day (year) in the RoSaT, I don't think Whis would soft his training for them as it would bring no benefit, but I can see Gohan and Piccolo training with him though.

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Krillin and tien could most definitely last a whole year in the HTC if kid Goku can last around a month in there.

If Whis can't adapt his training schedule, then he's a bad teacher. It's as simple as that.

I think ssj3 Goku during the Buu saga is a little far fetched..

I don't think so. Goku and Vegeta have been able to surpass that in their base forms. There is absolutely no reason for the humans to be unable to be around their base form level.

[Noah]

Krillin and tien could most definitely last a whole year in the HTC if kid Goku can last around a month in there.

If Whis can't adapt his training schedule, then he's a bad teacher. It's as simple as that.

I don't think they could a last a whole year, after all Tien refused back in Cell arc, they could overcome the gravity but about the constant climate changes and the psychological stuff coming from staying alone in there, just a blank space?

I don't think that about Whis, who's the one who trains mortals to become the future Gods Of Destruction of its universe, his training is supposed to be harsh and not meant for everyone take, he's not a miracle worker.

I think ssj3 Goku during the Buu saga is a little far fetched..

I don't think so. Goku and Vegeta have been able to surpass that in their base forms. There is absolutely no reason for the humans to be unable to be around their base form level.

Saiyans biology ≠ Humans biology

[SaiyaSith]

I haven't seen anyone mention god Ki that the wolf fighters are using. Goku mentioned that they couldn't sense their ki and then "super saiyan god" red ki were all around his legs.

[Kishido]

I haven't seen anyone mention god Ki that the wolf fighters are using. Goku mentioned that they couldn't sense their ki and then "super saiyan god" red ki were all around his legs.

Well cuz Goku can sense god ki... You know the Goku who has Super Saiyan Blue and so on...

[Ki Breaker]

I haven't seen anyone mention god Ki that the wolf fighters are using. Goku mentioned that they couldn't sense their ki and then "super saiyan god" red ki were all around his legs.

Because they aren't using god ki..
The ki looks red but so does the kaioken, it isn't god ki or goku could sense that he can sense gods too..

The point they are making is, ki sensing isn't applicable to that universe

[perucho1990]

I haven't seen anyone mention god Ki that the wolf fighters are using. Goku mentioned that they couldn't sense their ki and then "super saiyan god" red ki were all around his legs.

I've seen people claim they might be related to Makaioshins, IIRC Goku mentioned he couldnt feel Spopovich Ki way back in the Buu Saga.

[namekiansaiyan]

If there is some time before the tournament starts, they will get stronger and will match the majority of opponents. I think there will be hardly any matches that are won easily in this tournament since this arc is about pure fighting and notbing else.

[Kanassa]

I haven't seen anyone mention god Ki that the wolf fighters are using. Goku mentioned that they couldn't sense their ki and then "super saiyan god" red ki were all around his legs.

I've seen people claim they might be related to Makaioshins, IIRC Goku mentioned he couldnt feel Spopovich Ki way back in the Buu Saga.

Did he? I don't remember that. If that's true, I wonder if he could sense Majin Vegeta's too...

[Ki Breaker]

IIRC Goku mentioned he couldnt feel Spopovich Ki way back in the Buu Saga.

When did this happen

[kinisking]

Krillin and tien could most definitely last a whole year in the HTC if kid Goku can last around a month in there.

If Whis can't adapt his training schedule, then he's a bad teacher. It's as simple as that.

I don't think they could a last a whole year, after all Tien refused back in Cell arc, they could overcome the gravity but about the constant climate changes and the psychological stuff coming from staying alone in there, just a blank space?

I don't think that about Whis, who's the one who trains mortals to become the future Gods Of Destruction of its universe, his training is supposed to be harsh and not meant for everyone take, he's not a miracle worker.

I think ssj3 Goku during the Buu saga is a little far fetched..

I don't think so. Goku and Vegeta have been able to surpass that in their base forms. There is absolutely no reason for the humans to be unable to be around their base form level.

Saiyans biology ≠ Humans biology

Krillin and Tien can go together unless you think the humans are mentally weaker than a 10 year old Gohan ? Also things like the climate change wouldn't matter much to them. They're super powered freaks too.

And you think Beerus just started off at the power level he is ? It's called scaling your training. Start off slow and get more intense. The difference between Beerus and Vegeta when they first started training is much bigger than the difference between base Vegeta and the humans at the time ( Whis only trained their base ).

Saiyans main benefit over humans is their super Saiyan transformation. Take that away and humans can compete at a similar level albeit a little weaker.

[Ki Breaker]

Saiyans main benefit over humans is their super Saiyan transformation. Take that away and humans can compete at a similar level albeit a little weaker.

That and zenkai boosts......and great ape transformations..... and more potential if you consider half breeds...... and more growth rate too if potential of half breed is considered again..

[perucho1990]

When did this happen

[spoiler][/spoiler]

[Ki Breaker]

When did this happen

[spoiler][/spoiler]

Huh, what do you know

[kinisking]

Saiyans main benefit over humans is their super Saiyan transformation. Take that away and humans can compete at a similar level albeit a little weaker.

That and zenkai boosts......and great ape transformations..... and more potential if you consider half breeds...... and more growth rate too if potential of half breed is considered again..

Zenkais and great ape transformations don't apply to our current cast. The saiyans huge potential and growth rate comes from their transformations boosting their power insanely. Humans have always been able to operate at a similar level to Goku, until transformations basically made them irrelevant. Kaioken being an outlier (it's pretty much a transformation anyways and I'm pretty sure the humans could have learnt it too ). I see no reason why they can't be ssj3 levels with god ki if Goku can be SSG levels with god ki in his base form.

[Beyond]

There are only 3 current ways for Piccolo, and the humans to get stronger that are believable
1. kaioken
2. gain god ki
3. potential unlock(which is questionable since nameks and humans have limited potential and have likely capped by now)

There is no way I could believe the humans naturally have the ability to match namek Frieza even with the kaioken. Saiyan potential >>>> namekian>>> Human. Saiyan use transformation to quickly overcome their current limits, namekians can do the same with fusion, but human have nothing. Piccolo has capped at somewhere around 1st form cell to ASSJ Vegeta 1st trip. I can't believe someone who made gains as fast as piccolo could possible not get stronger in over a decade if he still had room to improve significantly. The humans may not of capped but they're definitely at the point where the gains are too low to matter.
If they got god ki to raise their potential cap, that could work. However, it doesn't seem humans and namekians can obtain God ki like Vegeta did through training. The namekian book of legends is a plot device waiting to be used.

Gohan has no such limitations and should be getting trained by Whis. He could match Goku and Vegeta easily if they use the chamber and Whis.

The androids can get a significant boost from bulma since her tech skill should have risen a lot, but that's 50/50.

Buu can do whatever he wants.

[namekiansaiyan]

There are only 3 current ways for Piccolo, and the humans to get stronger that are believable
1. kaioken
2. gain god ki
3. potential unlock(which is questionable since nameks and humans have limited potential and have likely capped by now)

There is no way I could believe the humans naturally have the ability to match namek Frieza even with the kaioken. Saiyan potential >>>> namekian>>> Human. Saiyan use transformation to quickly overcome their current limits, namekians can do the same with fusion, but human have nothing. Piccolo has capped at somewhere around 1st form cell to ASSJ Vegeta 1st trip. I can't believe someone who made gains as fast as piccolo could possible not get stronger in over a decade if he still had room to improve significantly. The humans may not of capped but they're definitely at the point where the gains are too low to matter.
If they got god ki to raise their potential cap, that could work. However, it doesn't seem humans and namekians can obtain God ki like Vegeta did through training. The namekian book of legends is a plot device waiting to be used.

Gohan has no such limitations and should be getting trained by Whis. He could match Goku and Vegeta easily if they use the chamber and Whis.

The androids can get a significant boost from bulma since her tech skill should have risen a lot, but that's 50/50.

Buu can do whatever he wants.

Toriyama should forget about limits of characters.

Whis has not got to train them but he could just tell them to train a certain way which they have not done before and they will get stronger.

[perucho1990]

You are forgetting the Namekian book of legends.

The second obvious option would be training with Gohan, thats why Piccolo did better vs Frost, who was stronger than Tagoma, the same Tagoma that lolstomped Piccolo in FnF.

[Ki Breaker]

Saiyans main benefit over humans is their super Saiyan transformation. Take that away and humans can compete at a similar level albeit a little weaker.

That and zenkai boosts......and great ape transformations..... and more potential if you consider half breeds...... and more growth rate too if potential of half breed is considered again..

Zenkais and great ape transformations don't apply to our current cast. The saiyans huge potential and growth rate comes from their transformations boosting their power insanely. Humans have always been able to operate at a similar level to Goku, until transformations basically made them irrelevant. Kaioken being an outlier (it's pretty much a transformation anyways and I'm pretty sure the humans could have learnt it too ). I see no reason why they can't be ssj3 levels with god ki if Goku can be SSG levels with god ki in his base form.

Not arguing against that, humans might need some time but they can do it..
I was merely pointing out that lot of differences exist between Saiyans and humans

[Noah]

Krillin and Tien can go together unless you think the humans are mentally weaker than a 10 year old Gohan ? Also things like the climate change wouldn't matter much to them. They're super powered freaks too.

And you think Beerus just started off at the power level he is ? It's called scaling your training. Start off slow and get more intense. The difference between Beerus and Vegeta when they first started training is much bigger than the difference between base Vegeta and the humans at the time ( Whis only trained their base ).

Saiyans main benefit over humans is their super Saiyan transformation. Take that away and humans can compete at a similar level albeit a little weaker.

Gohan was there with his father and he previously trained with him and Piccolo 3 years before and managed to survive 1 year in the wild alone having 4 years old.
Even with them being super powered freaks as you say, they didn't come close to the power Goku had in his Base at the Cell arc, I think that could be a factor against them.

Well, 75 million years before, by the time Elder Kaioshin was sealed in the Z-Sword, it seems Beerus was pretty strong. Whis probably saw potential in him as he saw on Goku who he did ask if he wanted to become the next Hakaishin.

Not just transformations, Saiyans are a race built for battles, their biology prove this. They might born weak, but can grow really fast by having a long story of battles, surviving after being close to death, making possible to double or even triple their own power. Not to forget that they age really slow compared to humans, staying young and in shape up to 80 years old just to keep fighting, you can't just compare their growth with the humans.