The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

[Grand Marshal 1]

Oh, I hate Kefla too. I think Kale, Caulifla, and Kale are awfully executed. Caulifla I hate the least and Kefla has a cool design. Overall they are terrible. However, they are portrayed as really powerful. I want Toppo to take it easy because I think she shouldn't even compete with SSG. Which she does sadly.

Other than that, assuming that she uses the same multipliers for her forms or some stuff (ik I'm repeating myself but Goku was indeed way below his actual strength) I put her 'Overloaded' state as I call it as way above her mutated semi-berserk SS2.

I don't like the reasoning for making her strong. Kale's beserker power flucutating mutation thing shouldn't make her Blue++

Me neither, buts it's the only possible explanation I can possibly think of. Cause, if we are being technical Kefla in base SS and SS2 should still be below God Goku. Her overloaded state maybe pushing him to Blue. And that's not an exaggeration imo

[Mad Swami]

Other than that, assuming that she uses the same multipliers for her forms or some stuff (ik I'm repeating myself but Goku was indeed way below his actual strength) I put her 'Overloaded' state as I call it as way above her mutated semi-berserk SS2.

I don't like the reasoning for making her strong. Kale's beserker power flucutating mutation thing shouldn't make her Blue++

Me neither, buts it's the only possible explanation I can possibly think of. Cause, if we are being technical Kefla in base SS and SS2 should still be below God Goku. Her overloaded state maybe pushing him to Blue. And that's not an exaggeration imo

Yeah, I feel god ki while cool complicates things because it's hard to explain why some people can keep up.

[Peach]

Super Saiyan Rage Trunks vs. God of Destruction Top/Toppo

Kefla vs. Super Saiyan Rage Trunks

[Grand Marshal 1]

Super Saiyan Rage Trunks vs. God of Destruction Top/Toppo

Kefla vs. Super Saiyan Rage Trunks

1) If we equalize the stats Trunks gets a big L. True Golden Freeza tier L. If he absorbs a Spirit Bomb and gets a Sword of Hope, he may or may not force Toppo to move around a bit. But I doubt that any amount of genki can actually overpower energy of destruction, especially if killing is allowed.

2) Rage Trunks (again equalized stats) defeats Base Kefla, forces her SS and have a decent match, but Kefla, being a fusion, has more energy reserves I would assume. Trunks absorbs a Spirit Bomb and overpowers Kefla even in SS2. Once Kefla goes Overloaded even a bit, it's game over for Trunks.

Believe it or not, I think that SSG XTrunks with the Key Sword at max power can defeat Kefla more easily (he scales off to Mechikaboola at his peak who is above any Merged Zamasu and even Jiren)

[Thani]

To be fair, Golden Freeza did contain a sphere of destruction, and he doesn't have god ki. So it's clearly not necessary, at all, to possess god ki to challenge that power. Maybe it helps, but it's not necessary.

[Grand Marshal 1]

To be fair, Golden Freeza did contain a sphere of destruction, and he doesn't have god ki. So it's clearly not necessary, at all, to possess god ki to challenge that power. Maybe it helps, but it's not necessary.

True. He did contain it. Probably would not be able to nullify it though. Even so, it may have to do with Ki control. And True Golden Freeza was quite the master at that. If it's not a raw strength thing to contain this power, the Kefla may not be able to do that either. But it's a valid point to bring to the table.

[SupremeKai25]

Fused Zamasu (can go Corrupted form) vs. ToP arc Golden Freeza and Hit

[Mad Swami]

Fused Zamasu (can go Corrupted form) vs. ToP arc Golden Freeza and Hit

Fused Zamasu. I don't believe any T.O.P character surpasses him except when Goku enters omen and mastered

[Koitsukai]

Fused Zamasu (can go Corrupted form) vs. ToP arc Golden Freeza and Hit

Corrupted Zamasu wins. Fighting together should let them defeat Halo and force him to go corrupted. If full power SSB Goku could do it, Shin Golden Freeza also should be able to do so on his own, and if Hit is helping with his time stuff, Halo Zamasu has no chance.
But in his Corrupted form they are dead in the water.

[Lionel]

Fused Zamasu (can go Corrupted form) vs. ToP arc Golden Freeza and Hit

I'm not sure how Fused Zamasu's muddled anatomy would react to his heart being ruptured by Hit's Shuken Ensatsu. Since he appears to be vulnerable to tear gas in his unfused purely immortal state, I think striking at a point of his body that could induce unconsciousness would work here. Freeza and Hit can't defeat Zamasu otherwise.

Does unconsciousness constitute as a victory here?
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I would like to propose some more versus matches myself. Here...

Tenshinhan (23rd tournament) vs Mr Popo

Vegeta (after fighting Zarbon for the second time but he's fully rested), Gohan and Krillin (both from the battle with Ginyu-Goku) vs Recoome

Fat Buu vs Super Buu vs Kid Buu (equal power levels) (three way royale between the Majins)

Base Goku using maintainable Kaioken x20 (Champa arc) vs Piccolo (Champa arc)

[SupremeKai25]

Fused Zamasu (can go Corrupted form) vs. ToP arc Golden Freeza and Hit

Does unconsciousness constitute as a victory here?

I'd say so, yeah, since he can't go Infinite Zamasu ('cause otherwise it'd be a mismatch). I suppose he'd be at a great disadvantage if he didn't know about Hit's abilities, though I guess he did know? He watched the U6 tournament on Godtube after all.

[Koitsukai]

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I would like to propose some more versus matches myself. Here...

Tenshinhan (23rd tournament) vs Mr Popo

Vegeta (after fighting Zarbon for the second time but he's fully rested), Gohan and Krillin (both from the battle with Ginyu-Goku) vs Recoome

Fat Buu vs Super Buu vs Kid Buu (equal power levels) (three way royale between the Majins)

Base Goku using maintainable Kaioken x20 (Champa arc) vs Piccolo (Champa arc)

1) I'm going with Popo here. Goku after killing Piccolo was still nowhere near Popo. And Tenshinhan was already way behind Goku. How much stronger could've gotten? I guess at best, strong enough to do better than Kid Goku.

2) Recoome. Gohan and Krilin weren't that superior to Ginyu's 23,000 PL, and a fully-rested Vegeta shouldn't be much stronger, not to a game-changing point. But Reecome would have to take it seriously or he could get injured for real.

3) If no one has the power edge, then Kid Buu because of his destructive nature.

4) Goku doesn't need kaioken. His base crushed RoF Freeza, who in his 1st form killed Piccolo(or Gohan, too many changes from movie to anime to remember correctly). He only got stronger after that, Whis strengthened their base prior to the Champa arc, and 3 years in the ROSAT. So that gap could never be shortened unless Piccolo went through the same training.

[Grand Marshal 1]

Final Form Mira runs the Super Gauntlet!!!


Rules

• Final Mira at his strongest, post-temporary Fin absorbtion (if that granted any boost at all)

• Known enemies prior to matches. Enemies don't know of Mira

• As much time as needed for Mira to return at full power between each fight

Matches

Mira vs:

1. Dyspo (Super Light Speed Mode)

• SS2 Rage Trunks

• Toppo

• SS4 Xeno Gohan

• Hit (no Time Cage)

• SS4 Xeno Vegeta

• Powerhouse Saganbo

• True Golden Freeza

• Wrathful II Broly

• Enraged SSRose Goku Black (equalized stats)

• Elder Moro (no power absorbed)

• Kamioren

• Vegeta Blue

• Super Hearts

• Goku Blue

• Elder Mechikaboola

• Cumber (Base)

• Chronoa Power of Time Unleashed

Bosses (optional for Mira):

• Halo Merged Zamasu

• Ahms (Goku Black + Hit + Freeza + Cell)

[ZombieVito]

Android 20 (Initial) vs Future SSjin Trunks (Debut)

Trunks is stronger but he doesn't know Gero can absorb energy so that might make him lose at the end.

more fights

1) FT arc SSB Goku (1st appearence, the one that fought next to SS Trunks) vs U6 arc SSBKK Goku (regular kaioken)
(if FT arc Goku wins, U6 arc version goes KKx10, and SS Trunks aids his contemporary ally)

2) FT arc SSB Goku (the one that learned Black killed Goten and Chichi) vs U6 arc Hit
(Time Skip at full power, the one that SSBKKx10 was struggling to keep up with before giving up)

3) SSR Trunks vs U6 arc SSBKKx10 Goku
(It's the non-spirit bomb version of Trunks, the one that with his father couldn't respond to Halo Zamasu's big attack or the one that jumped to fight MZ after Vegito defused. The former one is "brand new", the latter has already taken damage)

4) Moro arc SSG Goku(the one that fought Saganbo) vs Ikari Broly
(a post-movie version of the guy, zenkai'd and all)

5) Moro arc SSB Goku that beat up Saganbo vs SS Broly (post-movie Broly or movie Broly, if both even better)

6) Powerhouse Saganbo vs Black Rose
(Saganbo before Moro got carried away. Strongest Black we know. Can't zenkai on the spot, he can summon the scythe but no weird clones or stuff like that)

7) ToP SSG Goku vs BoG Beerus
(Goku knows he might have a chance from the start, Beerus is confident but goes full power from that time, is that enough? he can only access his real retconned full power if he flies off the planet safely, can he escape Goku?)

8 ) SS4 Gotenks vs Buuhan.
(In the ROSAT they grew a tail, they saw the moon or something, leave the ROSAT after Buu absorbed Gohan and they fuse and go SS4. Gotenks knows about the time limit. Buuhan does not)

9) Super 17 vs Ih Shenron
(The Super 17 that absorbed everything SS4 Goku sent his away, and that absorbed so much from 18 right before Goku killed him. The one-star dragon that trashed SS4 Goku, no dragons absorbed. He knows the android absorbs ki)

10) GT Uub (that lost to Vegeta Baby) vs ToP SS2 Caulifla
(Uub can fuse with Mr. Buu if this go bad. Caulifla can get Kyabbe, not Kale, to help her)

11) GT SS4 Goku that fought Omega Shenron is recruited for the ToP. Who can he take? who takes him? (the nakama-healed Goku but with his sight back)
12) Who can defeat SS4 Goku from the Baby arc in the ToP? (his FP form that defeated the ape)
13) Who can defeat SS4 Goku that left with Shenron in the ToP? (no weird dragon powers)

1) Goku didn't get stronger between episodes 33-61 so the one with Kaioken wins easily.
2) I believe Goku would be unable to react well to this Hit but if he gets a lucky shot then he damages Hit so much that he might win.
3) Goku wins with even regular Blue Kaioken.
4) Broly, easily.
5) Poor Goku gets stomped hard.
6) Black might pull the win thanks to skill.
7) Beerus.
Gotenks.
9) I have no idea.
10) Caulifla.
11) Any Blue tier character beats him.
12) Same as above.
13) Same as above.

Vegeta's Final Flash used on Cell vs. Super Saiyan 2 Gohan - Could Gohan tank it?

I think he could tank it. At most Gohan gets little damage from it.

God of Destruction Toppo Vs Super Saiyan 2 Kefla

I have Toppo a little stronger. With Hakai he secures the win.

Super Saiyan Rage Trunks vs. God of Destruction Top/Toppo

Kefla vs. Super Saiyan Rage Trunks

Even regular Toppo beats him.
Kefla transforms into a Super Saiyan and finger flicks.

Fused Zamasu (can go Corrupted form) vs. ToP arc Golden Freeza and Hit

Zamasu finger flicks them both.

Tenshinhan (23rd tournament) vs Mr Popo

Vegeta (after fighting Zarbon for the second time but he's fully rested), Gohan and Krillin (both from the battle with Ginyu-Goku) vs Recoome

Fat Buu vs Super Buu vs Kid Buu (equal power levels) (three way royale between the Majins)

Base Goku using maintainable Kaioken x20 (Champa arc) vs Piccolo (Champa arc)

Mr. Popo beats him even easier than he beat Goku.
Recoome gets beat after a hard and long fight.
The smarter one wins, Super Boo.
Goku doesn't even need the Kaioken, he one shots.

[Lionel]

Gosh! My interpretation is just woefully inconsistent with others, it seems. My impression is that since Tenshinhan was initially able to match
weighted Goku's projected power that was compared with what he used against Daimou, a bit more than that even, followed by him beginning to outpace Goku -- speed generally correlating to higher power --- that he would be in a good position to give Popo a tougher challenge. Such techniques like the Shiyoken, Kikoho, and Taiyoken would surely come into play there.

Piccolo as well. I thought that since the opponent he had who still prompted a transformation out of Vegeta despite being exhausted after his match could potentially prove a good opponent for someone with a lesser amplifier than the SSJ.

[Peach]

Hit and Super Saiyan Rage Trunks vs. God of Destruction Top/Toppo

[Grand Marshal 1]

Hit and Super Saiyan Rage Trunks vs. God of Destruction Top/Toppo

GoD Toppo is massively stronger than either of them. Hit with a Time Cage may temporarily stop him in his tracks, but Trunks in Rage even with a spirit bomb absorbed, may not be able to deal a finishing blow. We don't rly know how genki would affect energy of destruction tbh.

The strength difference alone is too much. Toppo takes it.

[Berserker1921]

Hit and Super Saiyan Rage Trunks vs. God of Destruction Top/Toppo

They can stun him at best. Even if ssjR Trunks with spirit sword is near ssjBkx20 or SsjBE. It wouldn’t do much against a low tier GoD.

New battles!

1. Moro (pre absorbing 7/3, no absorbing) vs Jiren 100%?

2. Vegeta (Current) vs UI Goku (3rd omen, Top)?

[Mad Swami]

Hit and Super Saiyan Rage Trunks vs. God of Destruction Top/Toppo

They can stun him at best. Even if ssjR Trunks with spirit sword is near ssjBkx20 or SsjBE. It wouldn’t do much against a low tier GoD.

New battles!

1. Moro (pre absorbing 7/3, no absorbing) vs Jiren 100%?

2. Vegeta (Current) vs UI Goku (3rd omen, Top)?

Jiren in the manga is stronger than Mastered Ultra Instinct. Moro was only able to best Omen. I highly doubt Blue evolved Vegeta is Mui level so Jiren takes it.

Hmm, this one is tough. I think in raw power Vegeta but due to Ui's abilities, Goku would take it. At least my current thoughts

[Mad Swami]

Hit and Super Saiyan Rage Trunks vs. God of Destruction Top/Toppo

since this is the anime version, then I think people forget how Hit seemed to be KKX20 Blue level as he performed better than Goku against Jiren. Granted Goku earns some vague power boosts throughout the tournament, but I never think he dwarfs previous iterations of himself. Honestly, it's Trunks who I see as being the weak link. However, with the Genki sword, he was capable of defeating Zamasu who I think is a lot stronger than Toppo. I think the main issue however is Toppo's destruction energy shield. The main deciding factor for me, is can the Genki sword penetrate destruction energy? If no than Toppo takes it as his strength would overpower them and they would only be able to restrain him. However, if yes then I think Hit could use time cage as Trunks cuts him down. I don't imagine T.O.P rules apply so I could see a really tough victory for the two of them if they combine their most powerful attacks.