Non-thread-worthy discussions

[MasenkoHA]

Yo, "Super Buu" does come from a Japanese source. I have used it albeit reluctantly as I always thought it was just another English term but I had no other choice if I wanted to distinguish him from the others. Thank goodness I've just learned about it. So it's perfectly okay to use that one.

Now if only we could get rid of "Kid Buu" to refer to a unknown being that exists since immemorial time.

Super Boo and Kid Boo were both used long before Funimation used the terms. I have no idea if Kid Boo was a fan term that Funimation just appropriated or if there is a source for it but it definitely was used in circa 2000/2001 fansites.

I also remember Ultimate Boo being used for Boohan. That seemed to drop after Funi didn’t use it.

[ABED]

I remember seeing the term Kid Buu as far back as the late 90s.

[MasenkoHA]

I remember seeing the term Kid Buu as far back as the late 90s.

It probably existed as far back as English DBZ fansites existed 2000 pre-Boo saga’s dub debut is just when I remember seeing it.

Either way it was definitely not something Funimation pulled out their ass

[MyVisionity]

Funimation took it from the fandom, just like they did with Majin Vegeta or whatever the others were. There was no official source for "Chibi/Kid Boo", which fans used in reference to his appearance.

[Desassina]

I think it was more a Flowers for Algernon thing. Still the same being, but a different form.

That's rather simplistic (despite the work that it was compared to), but to address what others have said, Evil Boo with Gotenks, Piccolo and Gohan absorbed is still the same persona, although more intelligent and human. He is the grey Boo's personality through and through, with access to Innocent Boo's memories, because the latter was his pink body. Pure Boo took Dai Kaioshin's power from Majin Boo, the latter was reattached for his memories of Mr. Satan to influence him still, and he spat the other Boo just like that to get rid of them. He's not the same.

Why did we have to question the meaning of "I won't be me"? If Evil Boo looks just like a grown Pure Boo with less bulk than his South Kaioshin absorption (i.e. a form so similar that Shin never questioned its danger), then it's because forms are tied to different personalities and their respective absorptions, otherwise the power that belongs to each and everyone of them (thus making Pure Boo the most dangerous). The grey Boo's personality was removed with Innocent Boo, a former evil that belonged to Majin Boo, and it didn't return with the Pure one.

[ABED]

The allusion still works. You're being overly concrete. He doesn't want to lose his intelligence (or power). He's still Majin Buu no matter what form he takes. It's a real interesting existential scenario.

[Desassina]

I'm being "concrete" so that I'm not a victim of "shouldn't Pure Evil Boo show up instead of S. K. Boo when Innocent Boo was ripped out?". I'm not against people having different interpretations, specially those which relate to inspiration outside the universe of DB, but I'm going with the flow of events (plus new revelations) so that I'm not broken after years of being wrong.

[ABED]

I'm being "concrete" so that I'm not a victim of "shouldn't Pure Evil Boo show up instead of S. K. Boo when Innocent Boo was ripped out?". I'm not against people having different interpretations, specially those which relate to inspiration outside the universe of DB, but I'm going with the flow of events (plus new revelations) so that I'm not broken after years of being wrong.

You lost me. I have no idea what you're saying.

[Grimlock]

Super Boo and Kid Boo were both used long before Funimation used the terms. I have no idea if Kid Boo was a fan term that Funimation just appropriated or if there is a source for it but it definitely was used in circa 2000/2001 fansites.

I also remember Ultimate Boo being used for Boohan. That seemed to drop after Funi didn’t use it.

And now we know where "Super Buu" comes from, both Dragon Ball Z: Ultimate Battle 22 and Dragon Ball Z Shin Butoden (that were released in 1995, I think) use it. So it makes sense that "Super Buu" was used long before anything else.

From what I've seeing, "Kid Buu" is a fan term, no official/Japanese source states it so far.



On an unrelated note: As I went to see "Super Buu" being used in the Dragon Ball Z Shin Butoden game, I also happened to find in the same video Gogeta using Final Kamehameha. I think this predates the first time (?) Vegetto uses Final Kamehameha in Dragon Ball Final Bout, which would only be released in 1997.

It's really weird to see Gogeta not only using it, but actually being the one who first used that technique. Even though decades later it would be Vegetto's signature move in games and Gogeta would stick with Big Bang Kamehameha.

[Desassina]

You lost me. I have no idea what you're saying.

Apparently, I have that effect, which is my curse, because I have to read people's logic, but fail to have mine understood.

[Grimlock]

Am I missing something? Why am I seeing a few official places such as this one wishing happy birthday to Goku today?

[Alruneia]

Am I missing something? Why am I seeing a few official places such as this one wishing happy birthday to Goku today?

I'm not 100 % on how Twitter works, but there's a quoted tweet from Herms (or something like that) in the thread that says that it's not accurate. I'm guessing it's just something a fan or somebody unofficial (like a magazine, for example) invented at some point and it's been spreading around in some parts of the fandom ever since.
At this point, I'm pretty sure Toriyama would just set Goku's birthday to be May 9th if he had to pick a date.

[Grimlock]

Just saw Herms' tweet. Damn, that's messed up.

[TheGreatness25]

I have a pretty non-thread-worthy question:

What is the deal with the two Blue Water Dragon Ball openings? There's the one with the lyrics and then there's dubsteppy one. Is the dubsteppy one a Toonami intro? Did it switch from one to another at some point? Did they just switch from one to the other depending on which run it was on?

Does anyone know?

[Danfun64]

The one with lyrics is the original. It's based off the French OP, but is a little longer. I guess the UK broadcasters thought it was too childish, so they replaced it with the dubstep one most of the time, though infrequent they would forget to do this and the other OP would play.

I'm pretty sure the Canadian broadcasts always used the one with lyrics.

[TheGreatness25]

The one with lyrics is the original. It's based off the French OP, but is a little longer. I guess the UK broadcasters thought it was too childish, so they replaced it with the dubstep one most of the time, though infrequent they would forget to do this and the other OP would play.

I'm pretty sure the Canadian broadcasts always used the one with lyrics.

Thank you! It's a little baffling -- no replacement score, but doesn't opening and closing themes? Man...

[MasenkoHA]

The one with lyrics is the original. It's based off the French OP, but is a little longer. I guess the UK broadcasters thought it was too childish, so they replaced it with the dubstep one most of the time, though infrequent they would forget to do this and the other OP would play.

I'm pretty sure the Canadian broadcasts always used the one with lyrics.

Thank you! It's a little baffling -- no replacement score, but doesn't opening and closing themes? Man...

Toonami US always replaced Mystical Adventure with their custom opening and cut down I’ll Give you Romance to like 20 seconds (almost comically so)

I guess it’s the same principle for Toonami UK of wanting their own opening that fit the Toonami brand?

The French based English opening aired on YTV in Canada was probably what was intended.

[Danfun64]

When they weren't cutting the intros completely, the UK broadcasters never tried to replace the intros/credits of Z or GT aside from occasionally replacing the OP/ED of ep 1-92 in post ep 108 reruns from Rock the Dragon to their Westwood counterparts. I guess the Blue Water Dragon Ball OP seemed too childish for them to keep.

[Robo4900]

The one with lyrics is the original. It's based off the French OP, but is a little longer. I guess the UK broadcasters thought it was too childish, so they replaced it with the dubstep one most of the time, though infrequent they would forget to do this and the other OP would play.

I'm pretty sure the Canadian broadcasts always used the one with lyrics.

Thank you! It's a little baffling -- no replacement score, but doesn't opening and closing themes? Man...

Well, they were dubbing what they were given. Remember, Blue Water's production materials came from France. So, while their GT materials were basically just copies of the Japanese D2 master tapes that reached them via France, their DB materials inherited a lot of quirks from AB Groupe; most notably, the OP/ED they were given on their masters was the French OP/ED, so that's what they used.

The drums&bass intro used on Toonami is actually a remix of the French OP/ED. If you listen to it, it uses the same melody.
No idea who is responsible for the Toonami OP/ED, or why it happened, but blame could be on any number of things -- Toonami may have complained that the Canadian OP was too childish, AB Groupe may have decided to change it out for something else on a whim, maybe Ocean/BW thought the UK market needed something a little different... Who knows.

[ZeroNeonix]

So I've had a couple of questions regarding the manga of Dragon Ball / DBZ.

1. As someone who has seen the anime from start to finish, do you think the manga has much to offer? Now, I'm not questioning the quality of the manga. It's just that it doesn't have anything to surprise me with. While I've never read the original manga, I have been buying the Dragon Ball Super manga as they slowly drip out in printed form (I know some of it's free online, but I was kinda late jumping into that and too much is missing). But part of the reason I do that is because I know the manga is so different from the anime. But with DB/DBZ, does the manga offer a different enough experience to justify paying to read it?

2. I've noticed some colorized versions of the manga at my Barnes and Noble. It appears to be same original linework, just with some watercolors filled in. I'm sure this is mostly down to personal preference, but what are your opinions on this?