Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread

[namekiansaiyan]

Is it really that hard to see? Vegeta was not going all out against Cabba.

Piccolo asking Frost to change forms pretty much confirms he can't do anything to his final form except with the Makankosappo.

You are interpretating Vegeta's words different to me. I think that line about Piccolo saying to Frost about powering down was Piccolo trying to get the advantage. I think the most important line is when Piccolo says everyone is underestimating him.

[ZombieVito]

Vegeta tanked a punch to the face... He is not in the same tier as Cabba...

[LightBing]

It is obvious that vegeta did not use god ki,if he had his ssj form would be blue not golden. Vegeta most likely used the power he had from training with whis, which as whis stated, compared to beerus(castle), base vegeta is a mere tree.

Was Whis's comparison made before or after the training was complete?

During, If I recall correctly it was at the end of the first day, after Goku joined them.

Even without God ki their base still has a power of a God and it is their only base and this is the main point I am trying to get people to understand and therefore everyone in this tournament is strong and not as weak as everyome is saying.
Goku and Vegeta still then only have 3 forms.

It's only a theory, there's contradictory information. On one side we have Goku maintaining the power against Beerus, on the other we have Whis line and pretty much all material after that. Plus we have Piccolo being relevant, are we to assume he just got to God level, if nobody mentions it.

Look here, even Vegeta got a mention when he got it:

Spoiler:

Episode 27
Minute: 6
Context: Vegeta transforms into SSGSS.

Freeza: "Impossible!"
Vegeta: "You weren't aware... I, too, can turn into that which surpasses the legendary Super Saiyan."

Significance: A rather interesting way to describe it, considering how many times they've surpassed Super Saiyan already.

Minute: 6
Kuririn: "Unbelievable! Vegeta's obtained the power of a Super Saiyan God, too?!"
Goku: "Yeah. And unlike me, he didn't borrow the strength of other Saiyans. All of that is purely his own power."

[namekiansaiyan]

Vegeta tanked a punch to the face... He is not in the same tier as Cabba...

It is the exact same thing I say with Piccolo, he was charging his attack while blocking with 1 hand.

[ZombieVito]

Vegeta tanked a punch to the face... He is not in the same tier as Cabba...

It is the exact same thing I say with Piccolo, he was charging his attack while blocking with 1 hand.

If they were the same tier then Piccolo wouldn't need the Makankosappo.

Simple as that.

[Noah]

So we could say that Cabba is not strong as a Boo Arc SSJ? Really?

[namekiansaiyan]

Vegeta tanked a punch to the face... He is not in the same tier as Cabba...

It is the exact same thing I say with Piccolo, he was charging his attack while blocking with 1 hand.

If they were the same tier then Piccolo wouldn't need the Makankosappo.

Simple as that.

If they are close then it still makes sense for him to use the Special Beam Cannon as otherwise the fight would go on and be in stalemate until something like the Special Beam Cannon happens. Piccolo likes to gets fights over quickly unlike Goku and Vegeta.

[kinisking]

So in my opinion the power hierarchy between the U6 fighters is this:

First form Frost < Botamo < Assault Frost < Cabba < True form Frost < SSJ Cabba < Magetta < Hit

Magetta gave more trouble to SSJ Vegeta than Cabba. Vegeta also said that he'd better avoid Magetta's physical blows, but he didn't have much trouble against Cabba's blows.

I'm assuming First form Frost is the weakest, but it could be Botamo since he never even bothers to attack while Frost does.

Vegeta was weakened by Magetta's heat though. So i could see him being weaker than cabba

[Sandubadear]

So in my opinion the power hierarchy between the U6 fighters is this:

First form Frost < Botamo < Assault Frost < Cabba < True form Frost < SSJ Cabba < Magetta < Hit

Magetta gave more trouble to SSJ Vegeta than Cabba. Vegeta also said that he'd better avoid Magetta's physical blows, but he didn't have much trouble against Cabba's blows.

I'm assuming First form Frost is the weakest, but it could be Botamo since he never even bothers to attack while Frost does.

Vegeta was weakened by Magetta's heat though. So i could see him being weaker than cabba

Vegeta says this about Magetta's blows before Magetta starts generating heat, though.

[Overlord78]

So we could say that Cabba is not strong as a Boo Arc SSJ? Really?

Who said Vegeta's SSJ form is exactly the same now as it was in the Buu Arc?

[Lord Beerus]

So we could say that Cabba is not strong as a Boo Arc SSJ? Really?

Well, there is a lot of evidence so far that suggest that Goku and Vegeta never used any of their Goldly ki in their base form or as Super Saiyans. So, yeah, if this episode is any indication, Cabba is not even as strong as Boo arc SSJ Goku/Vegeta. Hell, the only U6 fighter so far that seem to be able to fit on the 1-15 Godly tier scale of strength so far is Hit. Every U6 other fighter so far has pretty much been confirmed as weaksauce.

[saunasolmu]

So we could say that Cabba is not strong as a Boo Arc SSJ? Really?

Well, there is a lot of evidence so far that suggest that Goku and Vegeta never used any of their Goldly ki in their base form or as Super Saiyans. So, yeah, if this episode is any indication, Cabba is not even as strong as Boo arc SSJ Goku/Vegeta. Hell, the only U6 fighter so far that seem to be able to fit on the 1-15 Godly tier scale of strength so far is Hit. Every U6 other fighter so far has pretty much been confirmed as weaksauce.

You really think that training with Whis didn't increase their power at all?

[DBZGTKOSDH]

But there's zero evidence of any of this. No one even wonders why they are weaker than before. Hell even Kuririn is impressed by SSJ Goku and final form Frost in the manga.

Maybe because they know how all this work? Piccolo was considered weaker than Boo before the tournament, why has no one make any mention of him reaching the level of gods all of a sudden when before that he couldn't even reach the level of Kaioshin?

And how is there zero evidence for this? BoG (both movie & Super arc) shows that there is barely a difference between base & regular Super Saiyan after Goku absorbed the SSG power, yet in Champa arc, there is the same x50 difference. We see that Piccolo is between base & SS Goku, same spot he was in Boo arc, and instead of being in the level of gods, he is on par with what appears to be a weakened Ultimate Gohan.

[Lord Beerus]

So we could say that Cabba is not strong as a Boo Arc SSJ? Really?

Well, there is a lot of evidence so far that suggest that Goku and Vegeta never used any of their Goldly ki in their base form or as Super Saiyans. So, yeah, if this episode is any indication, Cabba is not even as strong as Boo arc SSJ Goku/Vegeta. Hell, the only U6 fighter so far that seem to be able to fit on the 1-15 Godly tier scale of strength so far is Hit. Every U6 other fighter so far has pretty much been confirmed as weaksauce.

You really think that training with Whis didn't increase their power at all?

I'm sure that Goku and Vegeta increased in strength from the Majin Boo arc, I just think that that Cabba is not as strong as Goku and Vegeta were as Super Saiyans during the Majin Boo arc since Vegeta basically tanked damn near everything SSJ Cabba threw at him.

[pacz360]

Why is it so hard for people to accept that u6 fighters are this strong this god ki on and off switch just funny ssj goku was able to fight against beerus with him noting he didn't lose any god ki whatsoever and as base was able to punch out the energy ball between ssj goku and beerus could anyone from the z era could hope to do that?

[LowRyder2005]

It amazing how people can't accept u6 fighters being this strong i mean unless its been confirmed by tori this whole on and off god ki just sounds ridiculous.

Why is it so hard for people to accept that u6 fighters are this strong this god ki on and off switch just funny ssj goku was able to fight against beerus with him noting he didn't lose any god ki whatsoever and as base was able to punch out the energy ball between ssj goku and beerus could anyone from the z era could hope to do that?

Or rather, why is it so hard to try to understand what people are basing their opinions on? Re-read a couple of the dozens of posts about how people act towards Gohan, Piccolo and Buu between ROF and this saga and you'll have your answer regarding why most people here are barely convinced about the "U6 fighters being this strong".

This "accept the facts lol" attitude when there are mostly headscratchers is very out of place.

[saunasolmu]

I'm sure that Goku and Vegeta increased in strength from the Majin Boo arc, I just think that that Cabba is not as strong as Goku and Vegeta were as Super Saiyans during the Majin Boo arc since Vegeta basically tanked damn near everything SSJ Cabba threw at him.

Whether or not you think they're god tier in SSJ or not, I have a really hard time buying that they're not at least stronger than anything from Majin Boo arc after being trained by Whis.

[Muffin Man]

Vegeta tanked a punch to the face... He is not in the same tier as Cabba...

It is the exact same thing I say with Piccolo, he was charging his attack while blocking with 1 hand.

If they were the same tier then Piccolo wouldn't need the Makankosappo.

Simple as that.

If they weren't in the same tier then Frost wouldn't need to cheat to win.

Can you see Piccolo holding Radditz off one handed while charging the Makankosappo? I can't. Piccolo is closer to Frost than he was to Radditz.

[TheMikado]

Ill ask in this thread since you guys are more likely to know. In BoG they state Beerus was using 70% of his power. Someone stated that line isn't in Super. Is there anything in Super BoG Arc stating how much power Beerus was using?

[LightBing]

Ill ask in this thread since you guys are more likely to know. In BoG they state Beerus was using 70% of his power. Someone stated that line isn't in Super. Is there anything in Super BoG Arc stating how much power Beerus was using?

This thread likely has what you're looking for:

http://www.kanzenshuu.com/forum/viewtop ... 25&t=31269

I don't think there were any precise numbers mentioned, besides the 10% against Mutated SSJ2 Vegeta.