Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread

[dbgtFO]

Do you just despise Piccolo or something?

Why must any doubt in Piccolo's power always result in accusations of hate, scorn etc. of the character?

[dbzfan7]

Do you just despise Piccolo or something?

Why must any doubt in Piccolo's power always result in accusations of hate, scorn etc. of the character?

Because Piccolo is love, Piccolo is life. Doubt him and he'll smack his dang a lang across our faces. He is exempt from sense because he is awesome, and some badly want him to be something. He merely like most others, sits in a deep hole that awaits to be filled with cement, and paved over. It's only a matter of time.

[Doctor.]

Do you just despise Piccolo or something?

Why must any doubt in Piccolo's power always result in accusations of hate, scorn etc. of the character?

Because Piccolo is love, Piccolo is life. Doubt him and he'll smack his dang a lang across our faces. He is exempt from sense because he is awesome, and some badly want him to be something. He merely like most others, sits in a deep hole that awaits to be filled with cement, and paved over. It's only a matter of time.

I sure hope that hole is filled quickly. I'm tired of how the irrelevant nobodies like Piccolo and Gohan keep stealing precious amounts of spotlight from the new characters that are going to replace them.

[dbzfan7]

Because Piccolo is love, Piccolo is life. Doubt him and he'll smack his dang a lang across our faces. He is exempt from sense because he is awesome, and some badly want him to be something. He merely like most others, sits in a deep hole that awaits to be filled with cement, and paved over. It's only a matter of time.

I sure hope that hole is filled quickly. I'm tired of how the irrelevant nobodies like Piccolo and Gohan keep stealing precious amounts of spotlight from the new characters that are going to replace them.

They need to be buried and buried hard, and stop stealing spotlight from young new up and comer talent like Goku and Vegeta. Now those 2 need to be pushed to the moon.

[supercat]

Do you just despise Piccolo or something?

Why must any doubt in Piccolo's power always result in accusations of hate, scorn etc. of the character?

First and foremost, there was no accusation; does asking a simple question equate to an accusation to you?

I feel some fans have the tendency to come up with all kinds of far-fetched speculations to avoid placing Piccolo anywhere near their beloved Goku and Vegeta. This whole having two bases nonsense was formulated just for the sake of adding credibility to the fact that Piccolo is still a mere fodder.

Lastly, I didn't get where this whole "Piccolo got taken down alongside Krillin and Kibito, so he must be on their level" stuff originated. Even barring the fact that Dabura and Babidi are terrible sources when it comes to accurately evaluating power, there was no such implication let alone mention of Piccolo being Krillin-tier.

[namekiansaiyan]

Do you just despise Piccolo or something?

Why must any doubt in Piccolo's power always result in accusations of hate, scorn etc. of the character?

You canse sense from people's posts whether they hate or like a character. Everyone can tell I am a Piccolo fan.

I sure hope that hole is filled quickly. I'm tired of how the irrelevant nobodies like Piccolo and Gohan keep stealing precious amounts of spotlight from the new characters that are going to replace them.

Piccolo will always be there he has the highest probability of being relevant out of of all the characters apart from Goku and Vegeta.

[Doctor.]

Piccolo will always be there he has the highest probability of being relevant out of of all the characters apart from Goku and Vegeta.

Gohan has a much higher chance of being relevant than Piccolo.

[namekiansaiyan]

Piccolo will always be there he has the highest probability of being relevant out of of all the characters apart from Goku and Vegeta.

Gohan has a much higher chance of being relevant than Piccolo.

In the interview Toriyama basically said Gohan will hardly fight or anything that is not to do with his job.

[dbzfan7]

Piccolo will always be there he has the highest probability of being relevant out of of all the characters apart from Goku and Vegeta.

Gohan has a much higher chance of being relevant than Piccolo.

Can't wait for the relevant Gohan conference where they start Q&A.

Gohan: Ah yes you.

Person: What the fuck do you even do? I mean what exact career thing do you do?

Gohan: Uh...well...I...Uh...

*Cut to whatever the hell Goku and Vegeta are doing*

[dbgtFO]

Do you just despise Piccolo or something?

Why must any doubt in Piccolo's power always result in accusations of hate, scorn etc. of the character?

First and foremost, there was no accusation; does asking a simple question equate to an accusation to you?

Given there's such things as rhetorical questions and you have consistently mocked people for not agreeing with Piccolo being as strong as you think he is, in this case, it might as well be.
And you didn't even need to ask that question, yet you did, conditioning the casual viewer to wonder, if Hugo Boss really is despising Piccolo, instead of debating with him without these needless comments.

Lastly, I didn't get where this whole "Piccolo got taken down alongside Krillin and Kibito, so he must be on their level" stuff originated. Even barring the fact that Dabura and Babidi are terrible sources when it comes to accurately evaluating power, there was no such implication let alone mention of Piccolo being Krillin-tier.

apex_pretador claimed Piccolo could have been stronger than SS Gohan in the Buu arc, Hugo Boss used that example to claim Piccolo was deemed on a much lower level than Gohan and was deemed trash like Kibito and Krillin. Of course that doesn't mean he's only as strong as Krillin and Kibito, just that he's not relevant enough for Babidi and Dabra to distinguish him from the other two.

[supercat]

Why must any doubt in Piccolo's power always result in accusations of hate, scorn etc. of the character?

Because Piccolo is love, Piccolo is life. Doubt him and he'll smack his dang a lang across our faces. He is exempt from sense because he is awesome, and some badly want him to be something. He merely like most others, sits in a deep hole that awaits to be filled with cement, and paved over. It's only a matter of time.

I sure hope that hole is filled quickly. I'm tired of how the irrelevant nobodies like Piccolo and Gohan keep stealing precious amounts of spotlight from the new characters that are going to replace them.

You talk with such certainty that Piccolo and Gohan are going to be replaced. I guess if you enjoy innovation-lacking fights like Vegeta's then it's something to look forward to. Seriously though, if anyone has too much screen time, it's that whiny prince of all scumbags. The guy has literally become a personification of boredom; with all the hype surrounding his nonsense these days, I'd say he's closing in on Buu and Broly on the quest towards becoming the most overhyped character.

[Doctor.]

You talk with such certainty that Piccolo and Gohan are going to be replaced. I guess if you enjoy innovation-lacking fights like Vegeta's then it's something to look forward to. Seriously though, if anyone has too much screen time, it's that whiny prince of all scumbags. The guy has literally become a personification of boredom; with all the hype surrounding his nonsense these days, I'd say he's closing in on Buu and Broly on the quest towards becoming the most overhyped character.

Hey, the moment Boo, the character with the most innovative and unique abilities in the cast, got sidelined, then I couldn't care less about who gets replaced or not, as long as it's not Goku. I'm just saying that this is normal for Dragon Ball. Kuririn replaced Yamcha. Piccolo replaced Tenshinhan, etc, etc. Cabba is now replacing Gohan. Maybe Hit will replace Piccolo, who knows.

[supercat]

Why must any doubt in Piccolo's power always result in accusations of hate, scorn etc. of the character?

First and foremost, there was no accusation; does asking a simple question equate to an accusation to you?

Given there's such things as rhetorical questions and you have consistently mocked people for not agreeing with Piccolo being as strong as you think he is, in this case, it might as well be.
And you didn't even need to ask that question, yet you did, conditioning the casual viewer to wonder, if Hugo Boss really is despising Piccolo, instead of debating with him without these needless comments.

Lastly, I didn't get where this whole "Piccolo got taken down alongside Krillin and Kibito, so he must be on their level" stuff originated. Even barring the fact that Dabura and Babidi are terrible sources when it comes to accurately evaluating power, there was no such implication let alone mention of Piccolo being Krillin-tier.

apex_pretador claimed Piccolo could have been stronger than SS Gohan in the Buu arc, Hugo Boss used that example to claim Piccolo was deemed on a much lower level than Gohan and was deemed trash like Kibito and Krillin. Of course that doesn't mean he's only as strong as Krillin and Kibito, just that he's not relevant enough for Babidi and Dabra to distinguish him from the other two.

Oh so now debating and asking questions should be deemed as mockery?

Just because something is needless in your opinion doesn't mean it's needless across the board. This is an open discussion and I could ask other fans how they feel about a particular character; therefore, there's really no need for you to mini-mod.

And no, I recall Hugo Boss using the word ballpark, so yeah, in my opinion, that's an implication that Piccolo was being tossed into the same pile of trash as Krillin. Regardless, it was a weak argument and I already took the time to point that out.

[LightBing]

Well wouldn't Vegeta be a MSSJ? Shouldn't that give him a greater boost power over the regular SSJ which was why Vegeta seemed stronger?

That said it is possible in real life for one person to punch someone of equal strenght and that person could tank the punch.

That's exactly my point, MSSJ isn't another form. Goku said mastering the original SSJ was the way to go. If one has more mastery over it, logically it would be stronger like in the case of Cabba vs Vegeta. They mentioned the grades as separate transformations, mastery over SSJ is exactly what it means. It pretty much tells us multipliers don't exist. One's as strong in SSJ as one's trained in it. This whole mastery business is the perfect argument against any rules. The manga couldn't make it any more clear.

This isn't real life and even in real life, if someone comparable to me punched me at full speed, at the very least I would get a nasty cut and have my head whipped back.

[namekiansaiyan]

You talk with such certainty that Piccolo and Gohan are going to be replaced. I guess if you enjoy innovation-lacking fights like Vegeta's then it's something to look forward to. Seriously though, if anyone has too much screen time, it's that whiny prince of all scumbags. The guy has literally become a personification of boredom; with all the hype surrounding his nonsense these days, I'd say he's closing in on Buu and Broly on the quest towards becoming the most overhyped character.

Hey, the moment Boo, the character with the most innovative and unique abilities in the cast, got sidelined, then I couldn't care less about who gets replaced or not, as long as it's not Goku. I'm just saying that this is normal for Dragon Ball. Kuririn replaced Yamcha. Piccolo replaced Tenshinhan, etc, etc. Cabba is now replacing Gohan. Maybe Hit will replace Piccolo, who knows.

Cabba will take Gohan's role most likely as it seems like we will see more of him in universe 6 and he seems similar to him just like I see similarities between Hit an Piccolo. I want Hit and Piccolo to work together if Hit is good. So we can have Goku Vegeta, Cabba, Piccolo, Hit, Jaco( Toriyama loves him so he is going nowherr) and Bulma for the universe 6 travels.

[RandomGuy96]

Do you just despise Piccolo or something?

Why must any doubt in Piccolo's power always result in accusations of hate, scorn etc. of the character?

How dare you not accept our Lord and Savior Piccolo, you heretic fucker!

Nah but seriously. I'm glad this episode finally disproved the idea that base Goku/Vegeta are god-tier. I think it's becoming more and more apparent that the U6 fighters aren't anything special, besides Hit.

Well wouldn't Vegeta be a MSSJ? Shouldn't that give him a greater boost power over the regular SSJ which was why Vegeta seemed stronger?

That said it is possible in real life for one person to punch someone of equal strenght and that person could tank the punch.

This. I think people are getting way too held up on powuh levels here without taking into account basic facts of fighting. if someone is equally as strong as someone else, they can totally take one punch and appear to be unharmed, with all the factors that go into a punch. It's like watching a boxing match and claiming one boxer is way stronger than the other because he gets punched in the face ten times without visible damage and without any decrease in performance, which happens all the time.

[Lord Beerus]

So since Goku and Vegeta in their base forms don't have the power of a Super Saiyan God or retain any kind of Godly ki, this drastically changes changes how I originally viewed Freeza, Base Goku and Base Vegeta in the ROF arc. Final Form Freeza is certainly not Super Saiyan God tier and but now the speculation is going to begin on how strong Final Form Freeza and Base Goku/Vegeta truly are.

Any thoughts?

[ZombieVito]

So since Goku and Vegeta in their base forms don't have the power of a Super Saiyan God or retain any kind of Godly ki, this drastically changes changes how I originally viewed Freeza, Base Goku and Base Vegeta in the ROF arc. Final Form Freeza is certainly not Super Saiyan God tier and but now the speculation is going to begin on how strong Final Form Freeza and Base Goku/Vegeta truly are.

Any thoughts?

Weaker than Pure Boo since by EoZ Goku was apparently on par with Oob in base.

[LightBing]

This. I think people are getting way too held up on powuh levels here without taking into account basic facts of fighting. if someone is equally as strong as someone else, they can totally take one punch and appear to be unharmed, with all the factors that go into a punch. It's like watching a boxing match and claiming one boxer is way stronger than the other because he gets punched in the face ten times without visible damage and without any decrease in performance, which happens all the time.

That's just distorting what happened. Do you seriously believed that anyone would be unscathed after receiving a clean shot at full speed. Your boxing analogy doesn't apply here. This wasn't a simple boxing punch, Vegeta didn't even braced himself.

So since Goku and Vegeta in their base forms don't have the power of a Super Saiyan God or retain any kind of Godly ki, this drastically changes changes how I originally viewed Freeza, Base Goku and Base Vegeta in the ROF arc. Final Form Freeza is certainly not Super Saiyan God tier and but now the speculation is going to begin on how strong Final Form Freeza and Base Goku/Vegeta truly are.

Any thoughts?

We have to guess were Gohan stood and power-scale, only option really. The problem is people can put him at SSJ during the Boo Arc or almost at his Ultimate Power. I'm currently undecided, but have floated between the two extremes. I have to rewatch RoF.

[Overlord78]

So since Goku and Vegeta in their base forms don't have the power of a Super Saiyan God or retain any kind of Godly ki, this drastically changes changes how I originally viewed Freeza, Base Goku and Base Vegeta in the ROF arc. Final Form Freeza is certainly not Super Saiyan God tier and but now the speculation is going to begin on how strong Final Form Freeza and Base Goku/Vegeta truly are.

Any thoughts?

If this is true then that Golden form has to be a ridiculous boost in power.