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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by Nex Carnifex » Thu May 17, 2012 1:57 am

I think Kai is much better than Z, it tells the story a lot better, I'm talking about both sub and dub

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Post by Gonstead » Thu May 17, 2012 2:44 am

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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by Michsi » Thu May 17, 2012 3:33 am

I'm not 100% sure this is unpopular , but I've sen quite a few people argue against it (at least here):

The android siblings from the main timeline and those from the original timeline were always different in terms of personality and character and the author tried very hard to make that obvious.

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Post by MCDaveG » Thu May 17, 2012 6:20 am

Michsi wrote:I'm not 100% sure this is unpopular , but I've sen quite a few people argue against it (at least here):

The android siblings from the main timeline and those from the original timeline were always different in terms of personality and character and the author tried very hard to make that obvious.
I don't think it's unpopular, as I think so too and also I have a feeling that this was discussed somewhere on Daizex, maybe even described in some DB encyclopedia.
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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by Piccolo Daimao » Thu May 17, 2012 2:04 pm

Travis Touchdown wrote:His line about Krillin being the strongest human, despite Tenshinhan being considered human by the cast, seems obvious; he's talking to Krillin's daughter. She's scared for her dad's well-being and he's just giving her a confidence boost.
Except that afterwards, he says to himself, "Among Earthlings, that is..." So that's a clear assertion that Yamcha himself thinks that Kuririn's stronger than him.

Not to mention that Kuririn's BP is 206 in the Saiyan arc, as opposed to Yamcha's 177.

Another unpopular opinion: I think the fight with the Androids in the main timeline (the one that follows the story) closely mirrored the fight with the Androids in Trunks' timeline, only that the most significant defining change was Kuririn chickening out, thus being able to give the Senzu to his fallen comrades, who, as #17 said, would die if he didn't rush to revive them. This means that Androids #19 and #20 existed in that timeline too, but Blooma nor Trunks, since they both weren't present, didn't know about them.
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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by LiamKav » Thu May 17, 2012 6:54 pm

Well, we know that Gero existed as #20 in Cell's timeline, because we see him converse with #17 and #18 before they kill him, but there's no sign of #19. I would think things would play out similar in Trunks's timeline.

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Post by Bussani » Thu May 17, 2012 8:50 pm

LiamKav wrote:Well, we know that Gero existed as #20 in Cell's timeline, because we see him converse with #17 and #18 before they kill him, but there's no sign of #19. I would think things would play out similar in Trunks's timeline.
I don't think we see that in the anime, but I still think what Piccolo Daimao said is plausible. Of course, they wouldn't all be waiting at the correct island for the androids to show up if Future Trunks hadn't told them about it, so there should have been some differences leading up to that point.
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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by LiamKav » Thu May 17, 2012 8:59 pm

Cell gives us an extended flashback while he's having his Kamehameha-off with Gohan. Since Cell is the one remembering it, it would presumably have to be his Timeline that he's thinking about, rather than Trunks'.

I'd also disagree with the theory, because for the fight to go the same everyone would have to be at similar strength levels, which means the 3 years of intense training would have done nothing.

(Although we can assume that Vegeta probably trained just as hard, in an attempt to overtake Kakarrot. We know at least that he had turned Super Saiyan in Trunks' timeline. And that Bulma had still made him some new armour, for... some reason.)
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Post by Pokewhiz7 » Thu May 17, 2012 9:01 pm

Nex Carnifex wrote:I think Kai is much better than Z, it tells the story a lot better, I'm talking about both sub and dub
This isn't that unpopular of an opinion. I think most here prefer Z, but there's plenty that prefer Kai, myself included.

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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by Nex Carnifex » Thu May 17, 2012 9:03 pm

I believe Super Perfect Cell was much stronger than SS2 Gohan, why else did his attack do so much damage to literally incapacitate an arm, if Cell could do that with ease he could have easily destroyed Gohan with more careful attacks, but giving Gohan the option to unlock more power in desperation was his downfall, cuz gohan always does that.
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Nex Carnifex wrote:I think Kai is much better than Z, it tells the story a lot better, I'm talking about both sub and dub
This isn't that unpopular of an opinion. I think most here prefer Z, but there's plenty that prefer Kai, myself included.
yeah but I can understand why long term fans would like Z

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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by Saiga » Thu May 17, 2012 9:07 pm

Nex Carnifex wrote:I believe Super Perfect Cell was much stronger than SS2 Gohan, why else did his attack do so much damage to literally incapacitate an arm, if Cell could do that with ease he could have easily destroyed Gohan with more careful attacks, but giving Gohan the option to unlock more power in desperation was his downfall, cuz gohan always does that.
Gohan was off guard, and if SPC was so much more powerful than how was Gohan able to hold off Cell's Kamehameha with his one-handed Kamehameha after losing a lot of power and confidence?
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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by Nex Carnifex » Thu May 17, 2012 9:18 pm

The plot required it and he was in such a desperate situation it makes sense he'd hold it off for a little bit, was Cell nervous until the end? Not at all.

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Post by Saiga » Thu May 17, 2012 9:30 pm

Nex Carnifex wrote:The plot required it and he was in such a desperate situation it makes sense he'd hold it off for a little bit, was Cell nervous until the end? Not at all.
You can't just say the plot required it, or else someone can say it was Gohan that was much more powerful and he only got injured because the plot required it for the drama value.
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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by Nex Carnifex » Thu May 17, 2012 9:36 pm

Saiga wrote:
Nex Carnifex wrote:The plot required it and he was in such a desperate situation it makes sense he'd hold it off for a little bit, was Cell nervous until the end? Not at all.
You can't just say the plot required it, or else someone can say it was Gohan that was much more powerful and he only got injured because the plot required it for the drama value.
You can't say one casual attack somehow took away all his power if Cell wasn't stronger, all he did was a casual finger beam not a strong attack at all clearly this was to show the power difference between the 2, Gohan saw it coming he jumped in the way of it but he wasn't surprise attacked. Characters stand there as other characters rain down attacks like nothing in DB if they are stronger, clearly this was the opposite with Gohan. He got pwned with Cell not even trying but with the help of plot power and desperate he managed to hold off in a struggle long enough until he got that gohan power burst.

But dude its just my opinion. lol jk I know the difference between objective and subjective, unlike most people...
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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by Ringworm128 » Thu May 17, 2012 9:37 pm

I like Sean Scheamel's King Kai voice and Linda Young's Freeza voice and think they fit great with the characters they are for. I like pretty much all the English voices that are used for the season set/DBOX dubs (not the Toonami dub) I like Jheese's Funimation Kai voice. I like the accent they always give Jheese and I can't imagine the character without it.

I prefer the remastred dub over the original Saban dub. I prefer Dameon Clarke as Semi Perfect Cell over Norio Wakamoto.

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Post by Bussani » Thu May 17, 2012 9:39 pm

LiamKav wrote:Cell gives us an extended flashback while he's having his Kamehameha-off with Gohan. Since Cell is the one remembering it, it would presumably have to be his Timeline that he's thinking about, rather than Trunks'.
Shit, I meant to say I didn't think we saw that in the manga. How did I type the exact opposite of what I meant?
I'd also disagree with the theory, because for the fight to go the same everyone would have to be at similar strength levels, which means the 3 years of intense training would have done nothing.
Hmm, I suppose so.
We know at least that he had turned Super Saiyan in Trunks' timeline. And that Bulma had still made him some new armour, for... some reason.)
Well, that's only in the anime. We don't know if "Future Vegeta" became a Super Saiyan in the manga.
Nex Carnifex wrote:I believe Super Perfect Cell was much stronger than SS2 Gohan, why else did his attack do so much damage to literally incapacitate an arm
Why would he need to be "much stronger" for that? Just being in the same league would be enough with a well placed shot against a target who wasn't defending themselves. Heck, Daimao and Goku was more or less the same, and he not only took out one of Goku's legs with a casual ki beam from his eyes, but further broke the rest of his limbs by blowing rocks at him with his breath.
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Post by Saiga » Thu May 17, 2012 9:41 pm

Nex Carnifex wrote: You can't say one casual attack somehow took away all his power if Cell wasn't stronger, all he did was a casual finger beam not a strong attack at all clearly this was to show the power difference between the 2, Gohan saw it coming he jumped in the way of it but he wasn't surprise attacked. Characters stand there as other characters rain down attacks like nothing in DB if they are stronger, clearly this was the opposite with Gohan. He got pwned but with the help of plot power and desperate he managed to hold off in a struggle long enough until he got that gohan power burst.

But dude its just my opinion. lol jk I know the difference between objective and subjective, unlike most people...
You obviously don't know if you go ahead and say something like that.

Gohan was off guard, trying to protect Vegeta. It wasn't just a casual blast, it was a blast meant to kill Vegeta. And a weaker character can injure a stronger character with an attack - Piccolo tore a hole through Raditz after all. So you can't say Cell must be stronger because he can injure Gohan. There's no plot power about it - Gohan's inner strength exceeds Cell's full power. He lost a lot of power after Cell's attack because he lost confidence, but once he tapped into his real power he obliterated Cell.
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Post by Gonstead » Thu May 17, 2012 9:55 pm

ringworm128 wrote:I prefer Dameon Clarke as Semi Perfect Cell over Norio Wakamoto.
Change it to all three and you've got my opinion.
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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by dprez » Thu May 17, 2012 9:57 pm

I believe that Gohan was not a ssj2 against Dabura and Boo. :D At this point I think it's becoming more and more of an unpopular opinion here.

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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by Nex Carnifex » Thu May 17, 2012 10:09 pm

Saiga wrote:
Nex Carnifex wrote: You can't say one casual attack somehow took away all his power if Cell wasn't stronger, all he did was a casual finger beam not a strong attack at all clearly this was to show the power difference between the 2, Gohan saw it coming he jumped in the way of it but he wasn't surprise attacked. Characters stand there as other characters rain down attacks like nothing in DB if they are stronger, clearly this was the opposite with Gohan. He got pwned but with the help of plot power and desperate he managed to hold off in a struggle long enough until he got that gohan power burst.

But dude its just my opinion. lol jk I know the difference between objective and subjective, unlike most people...
You obviously don't know if you go ahead and say something like that.

Gohan was off guard, trying to protect Vegeta. It wasn't just a casual blast, it was a blast meant to kill Vegeta. And a weaker character can injure a stronger character with an attack - Piccolo tore a hole through Raditz after all. So you can't say Cell must be stronger because he can injure Gohan. There's no plot power about it - Gohan's inner strength exceeds Cell's full power. He lost a lot of power after Cell's attack because he lost confidence, but once he tapped into his real power he obliterated Cell.
It was a casual attack, there was no charging whatsoever, he shot a simple little finger beam because he was just that godly enough to easily kill Vegeta. Gohan jumped in the way and took the attack, it severely damaged his SS2 body. Therefore Super Perfect Cell>SS2 Gohan, if Gohan shot a ki blast at Cell you think that would destroy his arm? We can clearly put 2 and 2 together to say Cell effortlessly bested Gohan's durability, yes he tapped into his hidden potential once again to come out on top but so did he with Raditz and Vegeta who were both naturally much stronger.

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