It works well enough, but I do think Toriyama simply forgot.
After all, there were only 3 Kaioshin of that generation who were of any significance in the first place (the one we see, and the two that have drastic effects on Buu), so it makes sense that he would forget about those two.
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I'm 99% sure that Toriyama forgot, never said he didn't. It's just my personal theory to fit them both together without having a plot-hole.
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
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Though doesn't that still have the problem of Elder Kaioshin being referred to as the East Kaioshin from however many (15?) generations ago? Why would he be the East Kaioshin of that generation if they had just temporarily adopted the Kaio cardinal designations for the most recent one? Did they just so happen to also adopt said system back then?
Moreover, why would they adopt an inherently four-directional naming scheme if there were five of them? Sure, it was the Kaio system they were adopting, which has a fifth Dai Kaio in charge, but that seems to be done under the very pretense that a fifth one would be in charge. Said pretense doesn't sound very implicit in the three Kaioshin setup, let alone the, under this theory, fluke five Kaioshin setup.
But does that mean they arbitrarily chose which one would be the head honcho of the group? Was he elected by the other four of the group? By the inhabitants of their planet? Why would one need to be in charge in the first place, if it's just some people working in shifts that revolve around each other?
I don't know, the whole three Kaioshin thing seems nothing more than a blatant plothole, worthy of being disregarded, flying in the face of the very deliberately layered quadrantal system that the higher god system has going for it. The idea you have can sort of fix it, but it causes even more holes/questions that need resolving.
Moreover, why would they adopt an inherently four-directional naming scheme if there were five of them? Sure, it was the Kaio system they were adopting, which has a fifth Dai Kaio in charge, but that seems to be done under the very pretense that a fifth one would be in charge. Said pretense doesn't sound very implicit in the three Kaioshin setup, let alone the, under this theory, fluke five Kaioshin setup.
But does that mean they arbitrarily chose which one would be the head honcho of the group? Was he elected by the other four of the group? By the inhabitants of their planet? Why would one need to be in charge in the first place, if it's just some people working in shifts that revolve around each other?
I don't know, the whole three Kaioshin thing seems nothing more than a blatant plothole, worthy of being disregarded, flying in the face of the very deliberately layered quadrantal system that the higher god system has going for it. The idea you have can sort of fix it, but it causes even more holes/questions that need resolving.
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Didn't this come from the guidebooks though? (And yes, it's 15 generations.)Zephyr wrote:Though doesn't that still have the problem of Elder Kaioshin being referred to as the East Kaioshin from however many (15?) generations ago? Why would he be the East Kaioshin of that generation if they had just temporarily adopted the Kaio cardinal designations for the most recent one? Did they just so happen to also adopt said system back then?
I'm also including the Dai Kaio/Kaioshin in the system. The idea is, instead of working in shifts to do the same job, they split their duties in 4, with a 5th one supervising them. Why? To keep everyone busy. Each Kaioshin would presumably get a too big break until his turn was to come.Moreover, why would they adopt an inherently four-directional naming scheme if there were five of them? Sure, it was the Kaio system they were adopting, which has a fifth Dai Kaio in charge, but that seems to be done under the very pretense that a fifth one would be in charge. Said pretense doesn't sound very implicit in the three Kaioshin setup, let alone the, under this theory, fluke five Kaioshin setup.
But does that mean they arbitrarily chose which one would be the head honcho of the group? Was he elected by the other four of the group? By the inhabitants of their planet? Why would one need to be in charge in the first place, if it's just some people working in shifts that revolve around each other?
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
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That's not a bad way of explaining it actually. Myself, I'm just going to continue to ignore the 3 Kaioshin thing, but I appreciate the thought you've put into it, it's well done!
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Yeah, I suppose that works.