Most memorable BS dub lines / names

[KameRule]

Mr. Satan: "Let 'em trade recipies or Pokemens for all I care!"

[ABED]

Mr. Satan: "Let 'em trade recipies or Pokemens for all I care!"

Wow, when was this? I do not remember that line.

It's Krillin. Who cares? He says idiotic things as if it's his career.

That's not true. Those lines are put into his mouth, just as Freeza's dumb lines are.

Well, I don't agree with that.

Fio, are they both dubs? Do they have memorable lines or names? Then they are up for discussion.

[KameRule]

Mr. Satan: "Let 'em trade recipies or Pokemens for all I care!"

Wow, when was this? I do not remember that line.

It's in the Kai dub.

[LSSJGODSSJ4Gogeta]

"I am the hope of the universe"

Do NOT get me started.

Dude he WAS the hope of the universe. The line's better in the dub.

[Lunatic Fringe]

"I am the hope of the universe"

Do NOT get me started.

Dude he WAS the hope of the universe. The line's better in the dub.

But it's really not in Goku's character to spout boasts concerning being anyone's savior. "I'm gonna win" or "I'll beat you down", sure. But him self proclaiming to be anyone's hope, especially the universe's? Bleh.

[Soppa Saia People]

"I am the hope of the universe"

Do NOT get me started.

Dude he WAS the hope of the universe. The line's better in the dub.

Are you being serious ?

[Lord Exor]

Mr. Satan: "Let 'em trade recipies or Pokemens for all I care!"

Wow, when was this? I do not remember that line.

It's Krillin. Who cares? He says idiotic things as if it's his career.

That's not true. Those lines are put into his mouth, just as Freeza's dumb lines are.

Well, I don't agree with that.

Fio, are they both dubs? Do they have memorable lines or names? Then they are up for discussion.

Krillin is a moron, he's always been a moron, and that's not going to change regardless of whether or not he utilizes '80s slang. His over anxious declarations of victory and mind-boggling penchant for foolish optimism is there for all to see irrespective of version.

[precita]

Krillin has the most realistic personality of anyone on the main cast. Saying he's a moron for wanting a good outcome to everything is a bit strange.

I'd wager to say Krillin is the most "normal" character in terms of personality.

[ABED]

Kuririn is a moron, he's always been a moron, and that's not going to change regardless of whether or not he utilizes '80s slang. His over anxious declarations of victory and mind-boggling penchant for foolish optimism is there for all to see irrespective of version.

He's not foolish, Goku has always come through, I don't think Kuririn is foolish for thinking it will continue to happen. Sure, there are a few times where he counts his chickens before they hatch, but that's hardly cause for coming down on him so harsh.

[Lord Exor]

I never said he wasn't a loveable moron.

[ABED]

I never said he wasn't a loveable moron.

I still don't agree, naïve at times, but not a moron. Freeza's not an older woman spouting cheesy lines, and Goku isn't a superhero spouting poetic nonsense.

[precita]

During the Cell arc when Vegeta was fighting Cell's second form, Krillin's line while watching them fight is "Mama mia!"

When did Krillin become Mario?

[Fionordequester]

Fio, are they both dubs? Do they have memorable lines or names? Then they are up for discussion.

Yes, they are both up for discussion in terms of whether each had memorable BS lines. However, that's not what you and Exor were talking about. You were talking about whether or not Freeza was characterized well, and if you're going to do that, I believe that it's better to consider the Remastered version over the Old dub, especially since Exor has confirmed that that's the dub he has in mind when saying everything he said.

I never said he wasn't a loveable moron.

Actually, I kind of take ABED's side on this one. Krillin's a goof, and he definitely CAN be stupid at times, but on the whole, I'd say he's actually one of the smarter characters. He's the only one who does NOT immediately charge Androids #17 and 18, he invented a technique that almost killed Nappa, came up with a plan to try and cut off Oozaru Vegeta's tail, outmaneuvered both Dodoria and Freeza, AND he managed to wound Recoome (in fact, realistically, Recoome should've been killed by what he did).

I mean, yeah, he makes some dumb blunders throughout the series, but if you look at how he does in DBZ, he's not nearly as lame as Yamcha, and he's not always getting himself killed the way Tien does.

Now, THAT ALL BEING SAID, I also disagree that "mondo cool" somehow points to Krillin being a moron. To me, it just reads as him being a lovable doof, just like Gohan as "The Great Saiyaman!"

[precita]

Tien only died in battle once. Kid Blew blowing up the Earth was just an addition to that.

Although Tien almost died against King Piccolo and against Cell's second form.

[ABED]

Yes, they are both up for discussion in terms of whether each had memorable BS lines. However, that's not what you and Exor were talking about. You were talking about whether or not Freeza was characterized well, and if you're going to do that, I believe that it's better to consider the Remastered version over the Old dub, especially since Exor has confirmed that that's the dub he has in mind when saying everything he said.

Fair enough, but that wasn't all I was arguing, Freeza's characterization was tangential. Even if we just go with the remastered version, there's still plenty of awful un-Freeza like dialog and awful lines. Both versions exist, both are applicable.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

"I am the hope of the universe"

Do NOT get me started.

Dude he WAS the hope of the universe. The line's better in the dub.

He left Piccolo, Vegeta, and Freeza escape alive, which would allow them to keep terrorizing the world & kill countless of innocent people, and he was willing to do the same with Nappa, Reacoom, Butta, and Freeza (in FnF), because he wanted to fight them again in the future after they get stronger. He allowed the Artificial Humans that destroyed a future world to be created, only because he wanted to fight them. He allowed Majin Boo to be revived because he wanted an even fight with Vegeta.

Yes, he always ends up saving the world, but he could have done a better job without taking such huge risks for his selfish reasons.

[ABED]

He allowed Majin Boo to be revived because he wanted an even fight with Vegeta.

Yes on all of them except this one. He didn't allow Buu to be revived for an even fight. It was a halfassed retcon on Toriyama's part that is out of character for Goku. Even if I grant you that Goku LET Buu be revived, the fight against Vegeta wasn't even. Goku was far stronger than him if we count later material, so it's not an even fight. Toriyama wrote the fight thinking they were even, then created SS3 and had to cover his error.

Yes, he always ends up saving the world, but he could have done a better job without taking such huge risks for his selfish reasons.

Would you say taking huge risks for selfless reasons like mercy to be better?

[DBZGTKOSDH]

Yes on all of them except this one. He didn't allow Buu to be revived for an even fight. It was a halfassed retcon on Toriyama's part that is out of character for Goku. Even if I grant you that Goku LET Buu be revived, the fight against Vegeta wasn't even. Goku was far stronger than him if we count later material, so it's not an even fight. Toriyama wrote the fight thinking they were even, then created SS3 and had to cover his error.

We don't know for a fact if Toriyama hadn't thought of SS3 yet. Even if it was a retcon, it doesn't matter in-universe. Goku could have one-shotted Vegeta as a SS3, but instead, he chose not to use it because he didn't want to reduce his time on Earth, he wanted to fight Vegeta, and maybe he didn't want to hurt his pride after all the things Vegeta did to fight with him.

[ABED]

I think it does matter, it doesn't mesh with his character.

he chose not to use it because he didn't want to reduce his time on Earth, he wanted to fight Vegeta, and maybe he didn't want to hurt his pride after all the things Vegeta did to fight with him.

What about Goku's character leads you to think any of this is true? He never brings up the time issue and why would he care if he hurts Vegeta's pride especially after all that Vegeta has done?

[DBZGTKOSDH]

What about Goku's character leads you to think any of this is true? He never brings up the time issue and why would he care if he hurts Vegeta's pride especially after all that Vegeta has done?

Both Goku & Kaio state that SS3 is a form that isn't supposed to be used in the Living World, which explains why he didn't use it before.

As for his pride, I said "maybe", though personally, I doubt it. He didn't care back in Cell arc to tell him in his face that he was much stronger than him with a smile in his face, and he didn't care about going all out against Pure Boo. I only mentioned it because other people believe this is the case.