Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread

[DragonHermit]

I have a theory about the new universes. What if there is some sort of Penalizing Power Factor for going from DBZ universe to other universes?

We know that the gravity in many other planets is much stronger than in earth, and to lead everyday life, those characters would have a much higher force exerted on their bodies, thus making those inhabitants stronger in comparison. What if the other universes make a character from DBZ Universe 1,000 weaker, or even more so. To them it would be unnoticeable, but to DBZ-ers it would be more difficult to navigate.

I think this would be a great way to "cap" power levels, as they are getting to ridiculous levels. You could also maybe have an exception for Namekians or other magical power possessing beings, who somehow don't get penalized by this power, and Piccolo could play a much larger role.

[singsing]

Snorted to the ends of the universe? Lmao that's SA Superman level shit right there

[Hugo Boss]

Thank you again, Herms. I felt like in Portuguese the mistranslation made perfect sense. Is the correct sentence supposed to be a hyperbole or a joke? I mean, it seems like something to not take literally to me, but I imagine in Japanese it could have some other reference.

It's a play on words or something. I think it was pointed out over on the site's episode guide for this episode. You should go check it out!

If you mean this site, I couldn't find anything related to that line in special, but I subscribe the suggestion. A play on words, you say. Must be something that makes more sense to the japaneses.

[Doctor.]

Thank you again, Herms. I felt like in Portuguese the mistranslation made perfect sense. Is the correct sentence supposed to be a hyperbole or a joke? I mean, it seems like something to not take literally to me, but I imagine in Japanese it could have some other reference.

It's a play on words or something. I think it was pointed out over on the site's episode guide for this episode. You should go check it out!

If you mean this site, I couldn't find anything related to that line in special, but I subscribe the suggestion. A play on words, you say. Must be something that makes more sense to the japaneses.

Check it out here.

[Bullza]

Not much to go on in the episode I don't think except for Vegeta lifting and throwing a huge squid but nothing special. Beerus showed how vastly superior he was to Buu anyway.

Next episode should have more to discuss.

[Chiki]

What do you guys think of Yamcha's power level?

1. He incapacitated Beerus with a slap on the back (Bills seemed paralyzed for a while from the force of Yamcha's palm and he looked shocked).
2. He confessed to Beerus that he was the strongest person in the party.

He might be above Beerus at this point. It's a very big surprise.

[Doctor.]

What do you guys think of Yamcha's power level?

1. He incapacitated Beerus with a slap on the back (Bills seemed paralyzed for a while from the force of Yamcha's palm and he looked shocked).
2. He confessed to Beerus that he was the strongest person in the party.

He might be above Beerus at this point. It's a very big surprise.

I think he may be closing in on Whis due to the special training he has been doing (he's more of a prodigy than Freeza after all). In that scale Toriyama gave us a while ago, I'd say Yamcha ranks at about a 13, maybe a 13.5; Goku has a lot to learn still.

[rereboy]

The time for Yamcha has come. He will shortly be reclaiming Bulma and teaching Trunks some proper manners, after taking over the company as CEO, making Vegeta cry like a b**** and turning Beerus into his pet cat alongside Puar.

[Blackstripe]

Heh, I liked the scene of him just punching Piccolo's hand while the Green Man barely paid attention.

[Chiki]

Heh, I liked the scene of him just punching Piccolo's hand while the Green Man barely paid attention.

What's more impressive of a feat, casually OHKOing Beerus or lightly punching Piccolo's hand? He did both in the latest ep.

Btw I'd really appreciate it if someone could take my avatar and color Yamcha's hair SSGSS blue.

[Bullza]

What was that thing that Beerus did to Vegeta and Kid Vegeta to make him just collapse like he did?

[Doctor.]

What was that thing that Beerus did to Vegeta and Kid Vegeta to make him just collapse like he did?

I assume it's some form of telekinesis. Or his Ki is just so powerful he can make people bow down at will, kinda like Bleach, but he has Godly Ki, which Vegeta can't feel, and Bulma was fine as well, so I bet on telekinesis personally.

[TheDevilsCorpse]

Beerus is a purple cat, similar to Mewtwo. So, in turn, one of his starting moves must also be Disable.

[Sora Saiyan]

This is a calc for Freezas striking strength in RoF... I guess for the time being it fits in okay here.
http://www.narutoforums.com/blog.php?b=26538

[DragonHermit]

If Frieza is terrible with numbers, should we really take the 2% comment he made in his final form seriously? First, the few minutes on Namek that lasted hours, and then the 1.3 million in RoF. I remember early on people thought his power was 12 million not 120 million, which seemed a lot more reasonable than him transforming 3 times just to get to 2% of his power.

Btw, I did some of my own calculations a while ago, and none of the DBZ characters even came anything close to possessing the energy of a nuclear bomb, which can barely destroy a city let alone an entire planet.

[Sora Saiyan]

Freezas forms weren't true transformations, they were just there to keep his power restricted.
120 million works because of Goku. If Freeza was only at 12 million then Goku would only be at 300,000 which is well below Freeza's first form. As you can tell by Gokus reaction after healing he was totally amazed by his own power, and this was even after sensing battle powers in the millions. He was definitely above everyone bar Freeza at the time.

[MaGyunia]

Freezas forms weren't true transformations, they were just there to keep his power restricted.
120 million works because of Goku. If Freeza was only at 12 million then Goku would only be at 300,000 which is well below Freeza's first form. As you can tell by Gokus reaction after healing he was totally amazed by his own power, and this was even after sensing battle powers in the millions. He was definitely above everyone bar Freeza at the time.

I beg to disagree. While it's true that at the point Vegeta was being massacred and Goku's healing was complete in episodes 85/86 Goku was the strongest warrior to stand up to Freeza (when compared to Vegeta and Piccolo), after receiving another huge Zenkai after his battle with the Ginyu Tokusentai, he could only achieve that with the Kaio-Ken technique (10x and then even as far as 20x); his BASE power level after coming out of the healing chamber is still below that of Vegeta and indeed that of Piccolo (at roughly 250.000, which multiplies by 10x makes 2.500.000 and by 20x makes 5.000.000); both Vegeta's (both before he received his final Zenkai after Krillin purposely blew a hole through his chest and especially AFTER it) and Piccolo's power level exceed Goku's in the latter's base form. The same applies, for example, in the Saiya-jin arc: Goku's maximum in his base form was 8.000, he could only be a match for Vegeta by resorting to the Kaio-Ken technique (x2 at first, then x3 and ultimately x4). Thus, it's debatable whether or not Goku is actually THE strongest warrior besides Freeza, since he can only fight somewhat toe-to-toe with him by resorting to the Kaio-Ken technique, which is obviously just as legitimate as any other fighting technique.

That's why he says while he's on the healing chamber that after Freeza transformed into his third form that by then it was starting to feel that he was not going to be able to beat Freeza after all (because the highest degree of Kaio-Ken his body was supposed to handle was x10, or, pushing it to desperate extremes, x20, and his previous base power level was 60.000 - 60.000 x 20 = 1.200.000); since Freeza's power level in his first stage is 530.000 and in his second stage around 1.000.000, it makes perfect sense that Goku would say that since Freeza only overcomes a potential Goku's desperate 20x Kaio-Ken (1.200.000) AFTER he transforms to his third form (around 2.500.000). What Goku didn't count on was the fact that after being near-death once again, he would receive another Zenkai, this time from 60.000 to 250.000, which would make a x10 or a desperate x20 Kaio-Ken even more fearsome, but still simply no match for last form Freeza at 50% or 70% of his full power.

[ZombieVito]

Freezas forms weren't true transformations, they were just there to keep his power restricted.
120 million works because of Goku. If Freeza was only at 12 million then Goku would only be at 300,000 which is well below Freeza's first form. As you can tell by Gokus reaction after healing he was totally amazed by his own power, and this was even after sensing battle powers in the millions. He was definitely above everyone bar Freeza at the time.

I beg to disagree. While it's true that at the point Vegeta was being massacred and Goku's healing was complete in episodes 85/86 Goku was the strongest warrior to stand up to Freeza (when compared to Vegeta and Piccolo), after receiving another huge Zenkai after his battle with the Ginyu Tokusentai, he could only achieve that with the Kaio-Ken technique (10x and then even as far as 20x); his BASE power level after coming out of the healing chamber is still below that of Vegeta and indeed that of Piccolo (at roughly 250.000, which multiplies by 10x makes 2.500.000 and by 20x makes 5.000.000); both Vegeta's (both before he received his final Zenkai after Krillin purposely blew a hole through his chest and especially AFTER it) and Piccolo's power level exceed Goku's in the latter's base form. The same applies, for example, in the Saiya-jin arc: Goku's maximum in his base form was 8.000, he could only be a match for Vegeta by resorting to the Kaio-Ken technique (x2 at first, then x3 and ultimately x4). Thus, it's debatable whether or not Goku is actually THE strongest warrior besides Freeza, since he can only fight somewhat toe-to-toe with him by resorting to the Kaio-Ken technique, which is obviously just as legitimate as any other fighting technique.

That's why he says while he's on the healing chamber that after Freeza transformed into his third form that by then it was starting to feel that he was not going to be able to beat Freeza after all (because the highest degree of Kaio-Ken his body was supposed to handle was x10, or, pushing it to desperate extremes, x20, and his previous base power level was 60.000 - 60.000 x 20 = 1.200.000); since Freeza's power level in his first stage is 530.000 and in his second stage around 1.000.000, it makes perfect sense that Goku would say that since Freeza only overcomes a potential Goku's desperate 20x Kaio-Ken (1.200.000) AFTER he transforms to his third form (around 2.500.000). What Goku didn't count on was the fact that after being near-death once again, he would receive another Zenkai, this time from 60.000 to 250.000, which would make a x10 or a desperate x20 Kaio-Ken even more fearsome, but still simply no match for last form Freeza at 50% or 70% of his full power.

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[MaGyunia]

Zombie, it's not the first time you make it pretty obvious you don't like me or my posts too much, but what exactly did you find hard to understand about the one you quoted?

[Doctor.]

It's made pretty clear in the story that base Goku, without the Kaioken, is superior to both Piccolo and Vegeta. Vegeta didn't manage to keep up with ONE of Freeza's attacks, and yet Goku can keep up, dodge, and deflect multiple of Freeza's, even the tyrant is surprised at his speed. It wouldn't make sense for him to be lower than one million, which is the absolute minimum level he has to be at. Denying this is just denying facts.