Things that grind your gears

[ABED]

DBS Goku is essentially the same thing except worse lol

For instance?

Episode 53

I haven't seen the show, so you'll need to elaborate.

[Dbzfan94]

For instance?

Episode 53

I haven't seen the show, so you'll need to elaborate.

To put it simply, his childishness and love for fighting was overblown to a ridiculous level to the point where that's all he is, much more than what was ever seen in GT.

[Lord Beerus]

To put it simply, his childishness and love for fighting was overblown to a ridiculous level to the point where that's all he is, much more than what was ever seen in GT.

But... that's pretty much how Goku is depicted in the manga, especially after the King Piccolo arc. Hell, Goku's love of fighting is more than often a catalyst for major plot developments. I mean, the Namek and Freeza arcs, and arguably the entire plot of the second half of the story would be very different if Goku's extreme love of fighting and competition didn't prevent him from letting Krillin kill Vegeta.

[Anime Kitten]

But... that's pretty much how Goku is depicted in the manga, especially after the King Piccolo arc. Hell, Goku's love of fighting is more than often a catalyst for major plot developments. I mean, the Namek and Freeza arcs, and arguably the entire plot of the second half of the story would be very different if Goku's extreme love of fighting and competition didn't prevent him from letting Krillin kill Vegeta.

You seem to have missed that Dbzfan94 said that it was overblown to the point that he becomes only that. At least before, he had some other thoughts. Episode 43 was the only one where they got him spot-on in my opinion (although the Hit fight was pretty close).

[Lord Beerus]

But... that's pretty much how Goku is depicted in the manga, especially after the King Piccolo arc. Hell, Goku's love of fighting is more than often a catalyst for major plot developments. I mean, the Namek and Freeza arcs, and arguably the entire plot of the second half of the story would be very different if Goku's extreme love of fighting and competition didn't prevent him from letting Krillin kill Vegeta.

You seem to have missed that Dbzfan94 said that it was overblown to the point that he becomes only that. At least before, he had some other thoughts. Episode 43 was the only one where they got him spot-on in my opinion (although the Hit fight was pretty close).

But my point is that, at least within the manga, Goku has always been about training, fighting and testing himself. Goku constantly thinking those things is Goku's core characteristic, especially as he gets older. I mean, Goku certainly has some other thoughts, but they ultimately relate to his main thought of "Who can I fight next?/How can I get stronger?" mentality that he has. He is pretty one track minded.

[Dbzfan94]

To put it simply, his childishness and love for fighting was overblown to a ridiculous level to the point where that's all he is, much more than what was ever seen in GT.

But... that's pretty much how Goku is depicted in the manga, especially after the King Piccolo arc. Hell, Goku's love of fighting is more than often a catalyst for major plot developments. I mean, the Namek and Freeza arcs, and arguably the entire plot of the second half of the story would be very different if Goku's extreme love of fighting and competition didn't prevent him from letting Krillin kill Vegeta.

But that's not "how he is" even in the manga. He has those qualities yes but in Super as I said its overblown to ridiculous and unlikable levels. Before DBS ep43, I was never legitimately annoyed by Goku. I questioned his logic and all that, but that episode of Super legitimately made me like one of my favorite characters less at least for the remainder of the episode.

In episode 43? That's how I remrnber Goku. King Ryu was spot on in my eyes. More than 2 of Goku's character traits were actually shown.

[Soppa Saia People]

To put it simply, his childishness and love for fighting was overblown to a ridiculous level to the point where that's all he is, much more than what was ever seen in GT.

But... that's pretty much how Goku is depicted in the manga, especially after the King Piccolo arc. Hell, Goku's love of fighting is more than often a catalyst for major plot developments. I mean, the Namek and Freeza arcs, and arguably the entire plot of the second half of the story would be very different if Goku's extreme love of fighting and competition didn't prevent him from letting Krillin kill Vegeta.

No. While Gokuu was always shown to have these traits, he was never just a fight loving man child like a lot of fans (and even Toriyama) say he was. I can't help but feel this mind set is do to Toriyama being upset with Toei for the movies and fans for Goku's dub counterpart.

[Dbzfan94]

To put it simply, his childishness and love for fighting was overblown to a ridiculous level to the point where that's all he is, much more than what was ever seen in GT.

But... that's pretty much how Goku is depicted in the manga, especially after the King Piccolo arc. Hell, Goku's love of fighting is more than often a catalyst for major plot developments. I mean, the Namek and Freeza arcs, and arguably the entire plot of the second half of the story would be very different if Goku's extreme love of fighting and competition didn't prevent him from letting Krillin kill Vegeta.

No. While Gokuu was always shown to have these traits, he was never just a fight loving man child like a lot of fans (and even Toriyama) say he was. I can't help but feel this mind set is do to Toriyama being upset with Toei for the movies and fans for Goku's dub counterpart.

I mean the dub did go too far with the heroism stuff (I say that as a dub fan) but tbh I'd take Post Season 3 FUNi Goku over DBS Goku in some instances

[pacz360]

People who bitch on gt flaws while ignoring super's gt was bad but super isn't exactly better than it while some may claim.

Super does have some bad plot holes, but I feel like Super is a better show. Super has give us better world building with so much new lore added to the story. Not to mention Goku Black is more interesting than any of the main villains in GT in my opinion.

I'll give u black and world building other than that super is pretty much gt 2.0

[pacz360]

People justifying goku character in super toei seems to forgot how to portray goku and have him act luffy 2.0

[Esfír Dedragón]

-The borderline "Weeaboo-ism" some people have for the Japanese version of the Dragon Ball franchise. Liking it just because its Japanese and with no other reasonable explanation just annoys me to no end.

-Toriyama's forgetfulness...
Imagine if he had planned his manga in advance!

-Toei going overboard with the creation of original characters (including Fusion characters) and OVA's such as Goku's Reunion, Episode of Bardock, DBMinus, etc. without consultation with Toriyama and how it relates to the story. Example: The Supreme Kai of Time sounds like such a cool concept, but I doubt it's something Toriyama would have done to incorporate it into the manga.

-Super Saiyan God, Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan (LOL!) and now Super Saiyan... Rose.
All are interesting but I suppose you could say that I was disappointed that they were merely color changes and barely anything else. Super Saiyan and it's derivatives worked well once but you can only do it so many times before people get tired of it. At least Super Saiyan 4 looked original, despite it being radically different from any Super Saiyan transformation in the past.

-Dragon Ball Super being marketed as just a kid's show. I would have wanted a more mature version of the show, but I suppose Toei/Toriyama think that only kids would like Dragon Ball, never mind that the kids who grew up with the series are now adults and would still watch a new series of Dragon Ball. The most recent closing credits song in DBS just screams IT'S A KID'S SHOW! IT'S A KID'S SHOW! IT'S A KID'S SHOW! to me.

-Some of the shipping of a certain character... and that's all I'll say about it.

That's all I can think of for now. I might remember some things later.

[Bansho64]

-The borderline "Weeaboo-ism" some people have for the Japanese version of the Dragon Ball franchise. Liking it just because its Japanese and with no other reasonable explanation just annoys me to no end.

Where have you seen this? I'm legitimately curious. Do you have any specific examples?

[Esfír Dedragón]

-The borderline "Weeaboo-ism" some people have for the Japanese version of the Dragon Ball franchise. Liking it just because its Japanese and with no other reasonable explanation just annoys me to no end.

Where have you seen this? I'm legitimately curious. Do you have any specific examples?

Not on here, necessarily.

This was back in the early years of YouTube where I would read comments that were basically reduced to "Original iz always da best", and that was it. When I lurked on then-Daizex, some of the criticism I initially saw resembled the same rhetoric I read on YouTube, which prevented me from joining earlier, among other reasons

[ABED]

Episode 53

I haven't seen the show, so you'll need to elaborate.

To put it simply, his childishness and love for fighting was overblown to a ridiculous level to the point where that's all he is, much more than what was ever seen in GT.

I haven't seen the show, but I'm going on the record as saying those that believe that are probably overblowing the whole situation. Goku is and will always be a battle maniac. Giving Piccolo a senzu, letting Vegeta go, and allowing the Cyborgs to be activated even after advanced warning are all reckless and I'm not sure how you could ever come up with examples that exemplify his love for fighting even more. Sure, he's childish, but other than having kids, he never really grew up, so I don't see why so many are so annoyed by that aspect from GT.

[Lord Beerus]

No. While Gokuu was always shown to have these traits, he was never just a fight loving man child like a lot of fans (and even Toriyama) say he was. I can't help but feel this mind set is do to Toriyama being upset with Toei for the movies and fans for Goku's dub counterpart.

But Goku at his core is a fight loving manchild. The anime adaption certainly adds more on Goku's mindset the make his seem like less of battle maniac, but in the manga, he's a full blown blood knight. As I said in a previous post, Goku has always been about training, fighting and testing himself. Goku constantly thinking those things is Goku's core characteristic, especially as he gets older. I mean, Goku certainly has some other thoughts, but they ultimately relate to his main thought of "Who can I fight next?/How can I get stronger?"

Granted, I will admit that when he was younger there were more things on his mind than just fighting. But as he gold older, his Saiyan traits started to get the better of him, and majorly shifted his mindset. I mean, look at the major decisions Goku makes throughout the plot and how influenced his love of fighting and competition they are:
- Goku giving Piccolo a senzu
- Goku letting Vegeta live
- Goku letting Freeza power up to 100%
- Goku not listening to Bulma's plan and not wanting to deactivate the Androids
- Goku giving Cell a senzu
- Goku not powering up to SSJ3 against SSJ2 Majin Vegeta
- Goku not using the Potara earring to fuse with Vegeta against Kid Boo

[Kanassa]

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-Toei going overboard with the creation of original characters (including Fusion characters) and OVA's such as Goku's Reunion, Episode of Bardock, DBMinus, etc. without consultation with Toriyama and how it relates to the story. Example: The Supreme Kai of Time sounds like such a cool concept, but I doubt it's something Toriyama would have done to incorporate it into the manga.

With projects like Xenoverse, wasn't Toriyama heavily supervising them? Hell, i'm pretty sure he was the one who designed SKOT.

[Nejishiki]

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-Toei going overboard with the creation of original characters (including Fusion characters) and OVA's such as Goku's Reunion, Episode of Bardock, DBMinus, etc. without consultation with Toriyama and how it relates to the story. Example: The Supreme Kai of Time sounds like such a cool concept, but I doubt it's something Toriyama would have done to incorporate it into the manga.

With projects like Xenoverse, wasn't Toriyama heavily supervising them? Hell, i'm pretty sure he was the one who designed SKOT.

Well, it isn't suggested he was heavily involved with the production, but Time Kaioshin is definitely his work. I imagine he oversaw the game in the same light he oversaw Dragon Ball Online and other Dragon Ball media, which is signing off on most of the inquiries.

[A Man named RJ]

Dub Fans who bash on Nozawa but pay no heed to 40 year old Naruto, and 19 year old Luffy - or even Allen Walker

I was just about to say that Junko Takeuchi (Naruto) is Younger than Mayumi Tanaka (Luffy) but then figured out you didnt mean the Actresses but the Characters, and it IS pretty egregious that they keep Takeuchi as 40 year old Naruto.

BTW How old is Naruto in the Epilogue and the Boruto Movie.

Naruto's 17th birthday was the war. Epilouge takes place 15 years later. He's actually closer to 33 than 40, but this tells me he'll always sound like that.

And being completely honest I love Takeuchi as adult naruto. A male VA probably would have done better, but people still praise her for her work as an almost middle aged man.

[Cure Dragon 255]

I see. I couldnt see her as Adult Naruto since I watched the Korean version subbed. Also I'm sad my post about Hideo Kojima didnt take off into a bigger discussion.

[Saikyo no Senshi]

And being completely honest I love Takeuchi as adult naruto. A male VA probably would have done better, but people still praise her for her work as an almost middle aged man.

Same here. I love Takeuchi as much as I love Nozawa. I don't think any male VA would've been a better Naruto than Takeuchi just like I don't think any male VA would be a better Adult Gokuu than Nozawa.

- Travis