Super's Manga vs Super's Anime Discussion

[LightBing]

Bringing this thread up due to necessity. Now that the Future Trunks ended in the manga, we can make a complete comparison between them(when the chapter is fully revealed). I will certainly do as much.

I expect well built opinions, not one liners like "Black sucks in the manga, therefore the anime is better".

[OLKv3]

Bringing this thread up due to necessity. Now that the Future Trunks ended in the manga, we can make a complete comparison between them(when the chapter is fully revealed). I will certainly do as much.

I expect well built opinions, not one liners like "Black sucks in the manga, therefore the anime is better".

You're expecting way too much lol.

[Yomi]

Something about the Manga has been bothering me.
Trunks isn't really fighting for anything in the Manga. The timeline is already empty.
In the anime there was Haru, Maki, Yajirobi and the left over scrap of the Royal Army.

I just wanted some emotion, I know the power scallers are happy, but I need the plot and drama.

[The gr]

Something about the Manga has been bothering me.
Trunks isn't really fighting for anything in the Manga. The timeline is already empty.
In the anime there was Haru, Maki, Yajirobi and the left over scrap of the Royal Army.

I just wanted some emotion, I know the power scallers are happy, but I need the plot and drama.

Well Trunks screwed up and let everyone die in chapter 21, and he's figthing for Mai and for his timeline, and we know how that went

[Grimlock]

For Future Trunks saga. The anime version, Toei Animation, is the winner here.

Much better in many aspects. The pacing was good, not too slow and not too fast, 20 episodes was perfect. The characterization of some characters were okay too except Goku being too childish and the unnecessary and not funny joke (the kiss one) with him but that's it.

Zamasu isn't a cool nor interesting character in both versions but Goku Black is superb in the anime! Loved his interactions, the way he speaks, the way he acts, his progress until he fuses with Zamasu, his techniques (mainly Divine Lasso and except creating clones, that one was clearly Toei running out of ideas). His design is cool and Super Saiyan Rosé has the most beautiful aura (but I still think it could be better if the color of the transformation were white). Toei could give a reason for the black hole Goku Black created with his scythe, like in Dragon Ball Xenoverse 2.

Loved some tidbits, as remembering Cell's time machine for instance, that one I could never imagined they would remember that, it was so well played! Loved to know Future Trunks now has Super Saiyan 2 (the best transformation ever, but too bad Toei messed up with his hair, making it the same as Super Saiyan), and loved that Toei gave some love to the said transformation in this saga (and that they keep doing it!). Dai Shinkan being the father of Whis and Vados is interesting as well, and I hope this tidbit gets more developed in the future.

The biggest and major con/issue/problem I have with this saga is its ending. Trunks living with himself is one worst endings I've ever seen, and is the worst ending Dragon Ball ever had. They could make a bridge to Dragon Ball Online, or even making their own version of Trunks becoming Time Patroller. DBO says time travelling is prohibited, Jaco, The Galactic Patrolman says time travelling is prohibited, Movie 15 says time travelling is prohibited, the beginning of Future Trunks saga says time travelling is prohibited... Still, Trunks gets away with this? Really? It's just unacceptable.

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As for the manga version, the only good things were Super Saiyan God Vegeta, which was something that I was expecting to see since Movie 14 and Merged Zamasu doing Janemba's technique. I don't know, the personalities displayed in the manga were so odd and not half of what was shown in the anime. The interactions were cool but they were so emphatic that they contributed to the saga being dragged and to it having a slow pace and it became boring. The manga could also bring original and different stuff, like Gogeta, but they just keep missing the opportunity of being out of the comfort zone for a change a little bit. Overall the manga was worse than the anime and it seems its ending will be the same shit as the anime which is very sad.

[dbgtFO]

I prefer the anime over the manga, but that has always been the case, even with the original series.
There is a just a greater sense of immersion in the anime, because it has the advantages of color, sound, voice-acting and last, but most importantly, animation.
Which is not to say that the manga is bad by any means. I enjoy it too and like all the details that Toyotaro put in there, that really should have been in the anime as well, like the whole explanation of events happening concurrently between timelines.
My ideal version of the Future Trunks arc would incorporate some of the manga's stuff into it, most crucially Shin and Gowasu's involvement in the arc. I very much appreciated them helping out more in the manga, even if they were outmatched. Furthermore the flashback to Trunks' fight against Babidi and Dabra is also deserving of being animated. The timelines should be structured, as Zamasu originally finding out about Goku like in the manga and then taking his body for himself, before terrorizing Trunks and then in the new timeline brought forth by Trunks' travel, Zamasu would then fight Goku like in the anime and be butthurt about that, before Beerus destroyed him.

[emperior]

Something about the Manga has been bothering me.
Trunks isn't really fighting for anything in the Manga. The timeline is already empty.
In the anime there was Haru, Maki, Yajirobi and the left over scrap of the Royal Army.

I just wanted some emotion, I know the power scallers are happy, but I need the plot and drama.

That's so true, I completely overlooked this fact. In the manga Trunks was fighting for nothing, he didn't have many people to save while in the anime we had the kids, the resistance army and Yajirobe. Basically the manga already set up Trunks to change timeline from the beginning. I really wonder why Trunks and Mai leave for another timeline in the manga, as in the anime they want to meet their friends of the resistance again.

[LightBing]

Something about the Manga has been bothering me.
Trunks isn't really fighting for anything in the Manga. The timeline is already empty.
In the anime there was Haru, Maki, Yajirobi and the left over scrap of the Royal Army.

I just wanted some emotion, I know the power scallers are happy, but I need the plot and drama.

That's true, although at the same time the anime hurt itself by not having the characters dwell on their deaths all that much. Mai breaks down shortly after the act and that's it.
Which makes the happily ever after ending in another timeline even more weird.

Honestly the whole live in another timeline ending is just weak, it's seems that's what we'll get in the manga also.

[emperior]

Something about the Manga has been bothering me.
Trunks isn't really fighting for anything in the Manga. The timeline is already empty.
In the anime there was Haru, Maki, Yajirobi and the left over scrap of the Royal Army.

I just wanted some emotion, I know the power scallers are happy, but I need the plot and drama.

That's true, although at the same time the anime hurt itself by not having the characters dwell on their deaths all that much. Mai breaks down shortly after the act and that's it.
Which makes the happily ever after ending in another timeline even more weird.

Honestly the whole live in another timeline ending is just weak, it's seems that's what we'll get in the manga also.

I must disagree here. Trunks wasn't happy when he left the past in the anime, as he mourned to his mentor that he wasn't able to protect their world. Though by looking at the present Gohan and with the help of Mai, Trunks quickly regained his hope and left with a smile.
That scene was emotional as fuck and I rate it as one of the best scenes ever from Dragon Ball.

[Lord Beerus]

Something about the Manga has been bothering me.
Trunks isn't really fighting for anything in the Manga. The timeline is already empty.
In the anime there was Haru, Maki, Yajirobi and the left over scrap of the Royal Army.

I just wanted some emotion, I know the power scallers are happy, but I need the plot and drama.

That's been something that's been bother me as well. Future Trunks had the motivation and support of what was left the humanity and it even significantly played into the moment fashion of how Future Trunks defeated Merged Zamasu (initially). The whole moment of Future Trunks using a Genki Dama Sword to slice Merged Zamasu in half didn't make much sense, but it was build up and worked thematically.

[Yomi]

I'm going to say I prefer the Anime version.

Future Trunks Character, was a lot more sympathetic in the anime.
There was a lot of great character moments and development for Trunks, scenes like this or this.
I liked that he was actively involved; this was HIS timeline to save, and he had the weight of the entire Resistance behind him.

Mai also did a lot in the anime. A lot more than she accomplished in the Manga.
It was a good way to utilize weak Human characters.

In the Manga it wasn't Trunks' fight at at. This arc and Zamasu himself were just expositors
for Goku and Vegeta's abilities and powers. The manga just needed somber moments of introspection.

The ending was weaker in the manga here as well. Trunks had already lost everything when the arc started. So Zeno showing up felt
cheap, Goku just pressed a button and saved the day.

In the anime; saving the day meant protecting the survivors Trunks had built a strong connection to.
So Zeno did not really "save the day" in the anime, he was far too late to do that.

[Lord Beerus]

-Goku Black
*Anime: Was a pure weakling at first that fought SS2 Goku and only survived because the later didn't go SSBlue, despite Black wanting him to go at full power. If Goku had done so, he would be dead. Plan Zero Mortals failed. Later, we found out that he has been unable to kill all the Earthlings. He also failed the blast he fired against Mai, which is something laughlable. He is surpassed by fucking smoke bombs despite the fact that he could spread all the smoke by powering up. MOST IMPORTANT THING: Before Goku and Vegeta return for a second time to the future, he defeats Goku, who is somehow saved by Yajirobe, who Black was unable to kill. Then, Earth is in danger. Goku and Vegeta are in the past, Trunks is defeated, what will Black do now that he has IT and can kill all the earthlings in an instant? Drink tea with Future Zamasu and talks about the plan that is failing because he is sitting there instead of killing the Earthlinga. Later their plan fails, because of an stupid Deus Ex Machina bullshit, the power of plot, and the most important thing: because he didn't kill the rest of the earthlings earlier, when he could do it perfectly. He later fuses with Zamasu without a true reason at all, since he was taking care of Goku and Vegeta alone. Then the fusion nonsensically mutates and that makes the plan fail. Again, incompetence. Also, he never saw the entire U6 tournament and didn't know about the Kaioken. Had he used it, the plan would have been a sucess.

Manga: Unlike in the anime, he was able to hunt down Trunks. He just didn't kill him in order to get stronger and archive Super Saiyan Blue (Rosé in his case) which he did by fighting Vegeta. He didn't risked the plan and wasn't an incompetent. Killed all the Earthlings while Goku, Vegeta and Trunks were out. Tried to trick and kill Gowasu and failed because of Trunk's healing power.

- Anime Goku Black wasn't a weakling in the slightest in the anime. He fought evenly with SSJ2 Goku and Future Trunks had already stated that he believed that Goku Black in his base form was stronger than SSJ3 Goku. Yes, if Goku went SSJB he would have very likely been killed, but if Goku and Vegeta didn't dick around when the fought Goku black for the first time in the manga, Goku Black would have been slaughtered and it was only good fortune that Zamasu saved he when he did.
- Smoke bombs weren't used. It was mustard gas. Smoke grenade are yellow. And if you anything about mustard gas, you'll know much much it fucks you up.
- Goku Black can't IT to the remaining Earthlings because he can't sense their energy. There's literally a scene in the anime where Goku Black tries to sense Future Trunks energy when he escape but he can't sense anything. If he didn't sense Future Trunks when he did, then he would have sense the remaining Earthlings but he couldn't. Because they were hidden under ground.
- He fuses with Future Zamasu because Future Zamasu nearly got trapped with the Mafuba and Future Zamasu didn't want to take any chances because of that incident.
- A reason was literally given as to why it mutates and it's far from nonsensical. Gowasu explains that while Zamasu himself was immortal, Goku Black was not. The mortal half of Zamasu’s body is affecting his immortal half, leaving his mind and body unbalanced.
- The Kaioken is not a "watch and learn" technique. You actually have to be taught it. Plus, it's a very hard technique to utilize.
- Goku Black was able to hunt down Future Trunks in both the anime of the manga. Goku Black is arguably more incompetent in the manga because if Goku Black knew how Zenkai's work, why didn't he just have Future Zamasu blast some holes in him and then heal again, to efficiently farm those cheap power-ups?

-Future Zamasu
*Anime: Constant jobber that was never a threat in the first place. Constantly being knocked out by the Saiyans. Terrible writed villain who becomes evil after 20 seconds, when an unknow mortal appears, kills his master and claims: «I'm here for the sake of justice!» It took Zamasu only some seconds to hug him. What is this, love at first sigh? Didn't seem to know about Zeno.

Manga: Actual threat who defeated Goku on their first battle actually using his powers and abilities like the Shinjin he is. He actually feels like a threat that needs Mafuba to beat him. In the anime they could have just used him as a punching bag since he always jobbed. Suggested to eliminate all of the Earthlings and move to another planet before Zeno notices them, which they were going to do before Gowasu, Shin, Mai and Trunks reappeared.

- Future Zamasu was not a constant jobber and was always a threat. Especailly when he tag-teamed with Goku Black. He beat up Goku, Vegeta and Future Trunks just as bad as Goku Black did. In fact, he's more much of a jobber in the manga, because the only way he actually beats Goku is because Goku stupidly powers down from SSJB to SSJ. That's the only time he actually gains the advantage in any kind of fight in the manga. Plus, the manga give far less context as to why Future Zamasu joined Goku Black. At least in anime, he was given some kind of conviction prior to pulling a heel-face turn.

-Merged Zamasu
*He is surpased by SSB Goku who previously was oneshoted by Goku Black. Mutates and fights SSB Vegito. Is forced to bulk up and then he is unable to oneshot Trunks, even before the latter used the nonsensical Gendikama. Then he is killed by the power of Trunks+exhausted Goku and Vegeta+ a turtle+ a cat+ around 20/30 people. He needed to fuse with the universe to kill a bunch of random Earthlings, with an attack so weak it's stopped by Kaioshin and Gowasu's shield. He is then stopped by Zeno.

Manga: Jobs to Vegito Blue, the fights even with Mastered SSB Goku, way stronger than Goku Black, and manages to have a great fight. He even survives Hakai by using Mai. Even when he is cut down in half by Trunks, he reveals that what he was saying during his first fight with Vegeta is indeed true, and now that his cells have completely fused with his body, becomes and army of himself. Destroyed by Zeno

- Goku overclocked the power of SSJB during h's beam struggle with Merged Zamasu. He overexerted so much strength in that Kamehameha that he broke both his arms. And after that he stacked the Kaioken on top of SSJB to get an advantage. Goku and Vegeta had given Future Trunks practically all of the strength they had left after Vegetto defused. Hell, Goku couldn't even turn SSJB after Merged Zamasu started to corrupt the universe because they had no ki left to do so. So the strength Future Trunks received from Goku and Vegeta was quite a lot. Remember Goku and Vegeta ate a senzu before they fused to become Vegetto. So they were at full strength before and after they the fusion. Plus, Merged Zamasu refusing to unfuse doesn't make a whole lot of sense either.

[Bullza]

The manga undermined Black, Zamasu and Merged Zamasu way too much.

In the manga Black doesn't​ do a whole lot. He fought Vegeta and was easily beaten around, he powered up and beat him back for a short while and then Vegeta trained he was completely stomped for a second time.

Zamasu was treated as a weakling who had one moment where he caught Goku off guard with his magic and then after was a complete punk and Goku said even Trunks could beat him.

Merged Zamasu just received a whooping from Vegito, had heaps of trouble with Goku and then ran off when he saw Zeno.

They weren't nearly the threats that they were in the anime. Black beat up Goku, Vegeta and Trunks multiple times with ease. Zamasu at least could put up a fight against Trunks and was considered a proper threat and Zamasu did seem intimidating and gave Vegito a bit of trouble.

The sense of threat and urgency was a lot more real in the anime.

[TheSaiyanGod]

- Anime Goku Black wasn't a weakling in the slightest in the anime. He fought evenly with SSJ2 Goku and Future Trunks had already stated that he believed that Goku Black in his base form was stronger than SSJ3 Goku. Yes, if Goku went SSJB he would have very likely been killed, but if Goku and Vegeta didn't dick around when the fought Goku black for the first time in the manga, Goku Black would have been slaughtered and it was only good fortune that Zamasu saved he when he did.
- Smoke bombs weren't used. It was mustard gas. Smoke grenade are yellow. And if you anything about mustard gas, you'll know much much it fucks you up.
- Goku Black can't IT to the remaining Earthlings because he can't sense their energy. There's literally a scene in the anime where Goku Black tries to sense Future Trunks energy when he escape but he can't sense anything. If he didn't sense Future Trunks when he did, then he would have sense the remaining Earthlings but he couldn't. Because they were hidden under ground.
- He fuses with Future Zamasu because Future Zamasu nearly got trapped with the Mafuba and Future Zamasu didn't want to take any chances because of that incident.
- A reason was literally given as to why it mutates and it's far from nonsensical. Gowasu explains that while Zamasu himself was immortal, Goku Black was not. The mortal half of Zamasu’s body is affecting his immortal half, leaving his mind and body unbalanced.
- The Kaioken is not a "watch and learn" technique. You actually have to be taught it. Plus, it's a very hard technique to utilize.
- Goku Black was able to hunt down Future Trunks in both the anime of the manga. Goku Black is arguably more incompetent in the manga because if Goku Black knew how Zenkai's work, why didn't he just have Future Zamasu blast some holes in him and then heal again, to efficiently farm those cheap power-ups?

How is the manga's Black more incompetent than the anime's?

The anime was fooled by grenades of light and smoke all year round, failing to capture Trunks.
In the manga he was at least letting Trunks live on purpose.

In the manga, Black was left to the brink of death by Zamasu and was cured yes. That's why he went to recruit his '' other self '' in the future.

Only that Zamasu also investigated other timelines, he could not be cured all the time and for that reason Trunks also did it for him.
Ever wondered how long it takes to investigate an entire timeline?

Black from the anime let Goku, Vegeta and Trunks flee twice into the past and failed to kill Trunks

[Lord Beerus]

How is the manga's Black more incompetent than the anime's?

The anime was fooled by grenades of light and smoke all year round, failing to capture Trunks.
In the manga he was at least letting Trunks live on purpose.

In the manga, Black was left to the brink of death by Zamasu and was cured yes. That's why he went to recruit his '' other self '' in the future.

Only that Zamasu also investigated other timelines, he could not be cured all the time and for that reason Trunks also did it for him.
Ever wondered how long it takes to investigate an entire timeline?

Black from the anime let Goku, Vegeta and Trunks flee twice into the past and failed to kill Trunks

You can't really defend yourself against mustard gas attacks (smoke grenade aren't yellow) or flash grenades. Especially when you don't see them coming. Flash grenade blinds and disorientates you instantly. I really don't see how Black is an idiot for that. I mean, you have a split second at best to react when a flash grenade is thrown as you. Same deal with mustard gas. You can't really sense when someone will throw one of those kinds of things at you. Goku Black isn't omnipotent.

The thing is that he didn't even really need Future Trunks to become stronger. Goku Black knows full well how Zenkai work, given the fact he was using Future Trunks to get stronger. Which doesn't make that much to even begin with because on kick in when you're really battered around. Does this mean that Goku Black put his deliberately put life at risk in an insane gamble to get stronger? He's an idiot. And that kind of fuck ups the power scaling. Because we find out that Goku Black needed Super Saiyan in the past to fight Future Trunks, and if that's the case, how in the hell did Future Trunks not kill Goku Black before the Zenkai's started to kick in? Future Trunks was already a SSJ2 by the time Goku Black came to his timeline. Future Trunks should have slaughtered Goku Black. it make even less considering we later find out that SSJ Goku Black, after all his Zenkai's, is no match for SSJ2 Vegeta, who is weaker than SSJ2 Future Trunks. All that needed to happen is for Future Zamasu to blow a few holes in Goku Black's chest, heal him up, rinse and repeat, and he becomes SSJR and he's ready to go. That seriously would have taken about a few minutes.

Black didn't let Goku, Vegeta and Trunks in the anime escape. Every time they escaped, Goku Black would try to stop them.

[Will]

Something about the Manga has been bothering me.
Trunks isn't really fighting for anything in the Manga. The timeline is already empty.
In the anime there was Haru, Maki, Yajirobi and the left over scrap of the Royal Army.

I just wanted some emotion, I know the power scallers are happy, but I need the plot and drama.

Yeah it was a really nice addition.

Mai's crying when they died or Trunks's crying for his failure and the Gohan's goodbye were also really good addition from Toei.
It's really missing from the manga's version.

[OLKv3]

Something about the Manga has been bothering me.
Trunks isn't really fighting for anything in the Manga. The timeline is already empty.
In the anime there was Haru, Maki, Yajirobi and the left over scrap of the Royal Army.

I just wanted some emotion, I know the power scallers are happy, but I need the plot and drama.

Yeah it was a really nice addition.

Mai's crying when they died or Trunks's crying for his failure and the Gohan's goodbye were also really good addition from Toei.
It's really missing from the manga's version.

Toei as a whole made the arc darker and more somber. They added all the future characters knowing full well they were going to kill them off. We also got to see Future Bulma. I will give them credit. While the anime version had A LOT of stupidity in between (smoke grenades stopping a man who can fly, Black failing to kill the resistance, flash bangs, Bulma seducing Zamasu, Mai's super bullet, super great at everything prodigy Trunks), it also did very well showing how much Trunks has grown since the Androids.
Manga Trunks feels like the same kid who left at the end of the Android arc. In fact, he feels regressed from the older, more confident Trunks that killed Cell. Anime Trunks is now a capable leader, a father figure to kids, and a role model to soldiers. Vegeta (and later Bulma) seeing this was a touching moment, and the somber ending really helped me accept the crappy Zeno button ending. It's way too nonchalant and cheerful in the manga. I still like both versions, both fill in what the other version lacks.

[sintzu]

Now that it's over, I can say for sure that the manga wins by a land slide.

DB is known for its epic fights so I'll start there, Toyotarou put the anime to shame here. The anime had some decent parts but Toyotarou is on a completely different level. His choreography isn't just great compared to the anime but also the original.

The writing is also a lot better, the way characters are written and the roles each character got just make so much more sense then what the anime did. Gone were the nonesense power ups Trunks had and in were more realistic roles like just holding Black off and being able to heal from the sideline's, a role more suitable for someone at his power level. When things got serious they stayed that way unlike the anime where they kept trying to be "funny".

Another thing I like about the writing is how the power levels are handled, in the anime, everyone in every form have the same power level while in the manga there's a huge difference between them.

Goku, he was great in the manga. when Vegeta told Trunks to heal him and he showed his mastered form I knew he was going to kick ass and he didn't disappoint. It was that very moment that reminded me why I like him as much as I do. In the anime ? any time he's on screen I want him to go away.

Vegeta, my favorite character since I got into this franchise had such a better and bigger role here. It was great to see him for the first time (about time), get a main villain all to himself which is something the anime completely wasted in favore of the same old safe road of letting Goku handle things. He also had a lot more to do against merged Zamasu and even got the final hit in when he blew both of them up.

100 episodes in and the anime is still facing the exact same problems it had since day 1 while the manga continues to get better and better. If there's one thing I'll remember from Super when it's done, it's this great manga that not only made the most from Toriyama's return but also being able to stand next to the original.

[RedHeat]

The manga version of the Black arc was boring as all hell. Sure, I didn't fancy the arc as a whole from both forms of media, but at least the anime made Black/Zamasu a decent character and didn't take "emotional damage". Plus, it was nice seeing Trunk's ending him instead of Goku.

[Jinzoningen MULE]

I haven't read the last chapter thoroughly yet, so I'll update this if my opinion changes once I read the ending on Viz's site in a few days, but as of now, I have to say that, while I'm not particularly a fan of either, I still prefer the manga's version, the primary reason being that despite its flaws, never once has Toyotaro botched his product so terribly in any department that it came off as an insult to my time or intelligence. At worst, I can point at something and ask "Did this really need to happen?" or say "Aw... that's pretty lame." Aside from the incongruencies in Goku Black's origins (which given the possible implications of the self-destructing time ring in the latest manga chapter, might not actually be a contradiction), everything coheres just fine.

Additionally, I was much more satisfied with everyone's character in the manga. Goku wasn't playing the part of Cpt. Doofy McRetard. Vegeta, in proper nostalgic fashion, made unprecedented innovations to the Super Saiyan forms, only do have Goku come along and do it better. Beerus made for a nice, consistent supporting cast member. Zamasu (both of them) were driven by their motivations, not their quirky personalities. We also got the classic "mad with rage" moment that every Dragon Ball villain has. The anime tried this too, but I feel it ultimately came off as genuine insanity, which was never a part of Zamasu's character before Episode 66.

Trunks... well, he didn't do what he did in the anime, and that's good no matter how you slice it. In all seriousness, he made for a decent supporting character, but like the Artificial Humans Arc, it felt like he never actually needed to be there. As if the only reason this needed to be in the future was so Zamasu could commit more atrocities without actual repercussions. It's a problem in both, but the anime did make up for this by having Trunks use the power of rage/hope/father-son bonding/Blue Hair to save the day a couple of times. Overall, I choose a decent supporting character over a Trunks that consistently uses the power of bullshit to rise up to a challenge time after time.