Season Six Discussion Thread

Metalwario64 · Post by **Metalwario64** » Sat Sep 20, 2008 5:09 pm

Vekurotto wrote:
Metalwario64 wrote:Actually, I think they are zoomed out even more than the Dragon Boxes because you can see more horizontal footage.
Wait what? The Dragonboxes still have the most footage. These sets do beat out Funi's singles though in terms of footage. Depending on your TV you'll probably be getting the same amount of Footage as the singles since those would have footage getting cut off by overscan.

I'm saying more horizontal footage, not overall footage:

So didn't they pretty much zoom out and then crop?

Vekurotto · Post by **Vekurotto** » Sat Sep 20, 2008 5:12 pm

Metalwario64 wrote:
Vekurotto wrote:
Metalwario64 wrote:Actually, I think they are zoomed out even more than the Dragon Boxes because you can see more horizontal footage.
Wait what?
*snips*
I don't know if I am correct or not, so I am really not going to say much else regarding the subject. I don't want to look like a bigger idiot than I already have today.

No you're right I misread because I always confuse horizontal and vertical. These sets still seem to be zoomed in but not as bad as the original singles.

Captain Awesome · Post by **Captain Awesome** » Sat Sep 20, 2008 5:19 pm

Am I the only one that has noticed that the cropped footage differs from episode to episode?, the majority of the screencaps seem to be missing more footage.

MajinVejitaXV · Post by **MajinVejitaXV** » Sat Sep 20, 2008 5:48 pm

Vekurotto wrote:It's common to see that stuff actually even in the Dragonboxes.

It is? Where? I thought they went through and cleaned up most, if not all, of it.

-Corey

Vekurotto · Post by **Vekurotto** » Sat Sep 20, 2008 5:57 pm

MajinVejitaXV wrote:
Vekurotto wrote:It's common to see that stuff actually even in the Dragonboxes.
It is? Where? I thought they went through and cleaned up most, if not all, of it.

-Corey

Well I guess common was to general of a word. The film splices and glue are there still from time to time though aren't they? I could have sworn I've seen them. Either that or I'm thinking about Sailor Moon R2 DVDs.

Metalwario64 · Post by **Metalwario64** » Sat Sep 20, 2008 6:50 pm

Captain Awesome wrote:Am I the only one that has noticed that the cropped footage differs from episode to episode?, the majority of the screencaps seem to be missing more footage.

Sure that's not just in your mind? From what I've seen, only the framing of each episode changes. I could be wrong though, and it certainly wouldn't be a first.

MajinVejitaXV · Post by **MajinVejitaXV** » Sat Sep 20, 2008 7:47 pm

Vekurotto wrote:
MajinVejitaXV wrote:
Vekurotto wrote:It's common to see that stuff actually even in the Dragonboxes.
It is? Where? I thought they went through and cleaned up most, if not all, of it.

-Corey
Well I guess common was to general of a word. The film splices and glue are there still from time to time though aren't they? I could have sworn I've seen them. Either that or I'm thinking about Sailor Moon R2 DVDs.

I don't think I ever saw any in the DragonBoxes, but that doesn't mean they're not there. I'm crazy enough to see them though, so I wouldn't say they're common necessarily. Remember, Toei and Pony Canyon did an actual frame by frame remaster.

-Corey

TheMajinRedComet · Post by **TheMajinRedComet** » Sun Sep 21, 2008 12:47 pm

Most of the time glue is a tough thing to find unless you watch it frame by frame.

Vegard Aune · Post by **Vegard Aune** » Sun Sep 21, 2008 1:53 pm

Metalwario64 wrote:Also a note: The lines still disappear during the first few episodes, but stop by the 2nd disc I believe.

Yeah, there is one shot with dissapearing lines in the trailer too. Not all that bad, though. I still think it looks like the sets have improved to the point of being watchable.

jjgp1112 · Post by **jjgp1112** » Sun Sep 21, 2008 2:10 pm

Vegard Aune wrote:
Metalwario64 wrote:Also a note: The lines still disappear during the first few episodes, but stop by the 2nd disc I believe.
Yeah, there is one shot with dissapearing lines in the trailer too. Not all that bad, though. I still think it looks like the sets have improved to the point of being watchable.

I know the exact shot you're talking about. It's from episode 178 when they show Goku and Cell clashing fists.

You know what's funny though? It's not there in the actual set. In the Season 6 set, the lines don't disappear at all.

Raki · Post by **Raki** » Sun Sep 21, 2008 9:06 pm

Does anybody notice film damage on the left side of Episode 180?

Vivisection · Post by **Vivisection** » Wed Sep 24, 2008 2:38 pm

Did the Japanese audio track on anyone else's episode 172 (the first episode on disc two) have the same vaguely underwater sound as Head Cha-La?

Edit:

Raki wrote:Does anybody notice film damage on the left side of Episode 180?

I wouldn't've noticed had I not been looking for it, but yup, there it is.

Levlik · Post by **Levlik** » Wed Sep 24, 2008 4:03 pm

Vivisection wrote:Did the Japanese audio track on anyone else's episode 172 (the first episode on disc two) have the same vaguely underwater sound as Head Cha-La?

Yep. Sounds awful. It's reminiscent of the audio quality you'd hear on those really old fansub tapes.

SSj_Rambo · Post by **SSj_Rambo** » Wed Sep 24, 2008 5:16 pm

Vivisection wrote:
Raki wrote:Does anybody notice film damage on the left side of Episode 180?
I wouldn't've noticed had I not been looking for it, but yup, there it is.

That's due to Funimations poor job of keeping the film transfers they received...and their stubbornness in refusing to pay for Dragonbox footage like every other logical country.

TheMajinRedComet · Post by **TheMajinRedComet** » Wed Sep 24, 2008 6:20 pm

Are you sure you don't mean Toei's stubbornness? I do not think that there is evidence either way.

SSj_Rambo · Post by **SSj_Rambo** » Wed Sep 24, 2008 8:58 pm

TheMajinRedComet wrote:Are you sure you don't mean Toei's stubbornness? I do not think that there is evidence either way.

Toei doesn't seem to have a problem licensing the Dragonbox footage, it's Funimation that seems to be refusing to give the fans what they want/deserve even though so many fans in other countries are. It's as if just because they have no competition for the anime market here in the U.S. they don't care about putting out the best they possible can...or they have a bigger pride problem than Vegeta.

Captain Awesome · Post by **Captain Awesome** » Wed Sep 24, 2008 9:12 pm

Even if FUNimation got the Dragonbox footage from Toei, there's no way they'd be allowed to release it in season set style releases, considering how much it costs per disc in Japan.

SSj_Rambo · Post by **SSj_Rambo** » Wed Sep 24, 2008 9:24 pm

Captain Awesome wrote:Even if FUNimation got the Dragonbox footage from Toei, there's no way they'd be allowed to release it in season set style releases, considering how much it costs per disc in Japan.

The higher quality footage can't be too much more expensive than the footage they got years ago. And since the series is sooo much older now, the licensing agreement should cost about the same as it did for the footage that lead to the highly profitable season sets.

And the cost of DVDs in Japan shouldn't effect how much it costs to get the raw footage.

Captain Awesome · Post by **Captain Awesome** » Wed Sep 24, 2008 9:42 pm

SSj_Rambo wrote: And the cost of DVDs in Japan shouldn't effect how much it costs to get the raw footage.

Uh, it does actually.

The industry over there lives in fear of reverse importation, which is why FUNimation were forced to release Dragonball a certain way, and it's only with the semi-collapse of the Anime industry in the US that they've been able to somewhat loosen Toei's hold over them.

Toei can't expect people to buy the Japanese dvds if the same thing is out in the United States for a fraction of the price, it's not as simple as acquiring the masters, FUNimation's release schedule has to be approved by Toei, they have licensed the property, they don't actually own it, so they can't do whatever they want.

Vekurotto · Post by **Vekurotto** » Wed Sep 24, 2008 9:58 pm

I always thought on Funi's end that even if they didn't want to get Dragonbox footage that they could still get just plain better masters than what they had and called it remastered. Or at least try to remaster old film without putting it on autopilot.

I'm pretty sure the footage that they had and "remastered" was probably 5th or 6th or something completely bottom of the barrel gen for at least for Seasons 1-5 because of how much of the "remastering" side-effects that happened. I think if the film was of higher quality there wouldn't have been as many problems. I'm pretty sure that the episodes from here on out will look pretty good though save the zooming in they did since Funi already had higher quality masters and the episodes already looked good before whatever remastering hit them.