"Dragon Ball Super" Series Official Announcement & Discussion Thread

[TheMathemagician]

The fact that none of the new fighters shown so far have a design that screams "Vegeta's replacement!" along with the fact that Hit hasn't actually joined the cast as a regular (yet?) gives me hope that Vegeta isn't being retired for now.

Vegeta will never be retired. he's been Toriyama's 2nd main character since Z and that's not going to change anytime soon.

When this arc was announced they said Vegeta was Goku eternal rival so that should put any doubts about him retiring to rest.

Goku and Vegeta are the faces of DB so the chances of him being written out are as big as Goku being written out.

Isn't Veggie boy close to Goku in most group shots anyway?

That's prince Vegeta boy to you.

Yes, he's usually with Goku in these promotions.

Yeah I don't get where people are saying he'll be "retired" from. I do like that they said he's Goku's eternal rival, I just want it to be a better written rivalry. With that said, I'm excited to see what Vegeta will do in this saga.

[Lapislettuce]

Maybe. Keep in mind 17 is decently popular among Heroes players in Japan too so it makes sense they're promoting him there.

Also, keep in mind that 17 is the arc's 'Old Returning Character'. Trunks got his asspulls for relevancy in his return arc, I wouldn't write off the same happening with 17.

I don't think Toriyama would pick Android 17 out of all possible characters to have the biggest role after Goku and Vegeta it would hust look out of place and weird.

Yes it's quite possible actually,since 17 has been treated really badly and has been written out after Cell saga and the way GT treated him,this is kind of a reward,especially since many people have been saying they wanted him to join the gang along time ago.

[Lapislettuce]

17 is stronger than half the team already so him doing better than them won't be surprising. He might even get a power up to pass Piccolo, and Buu given Super's track record. 17 might be a big deal in Japan? If dbz was made in America. I doubt he'd be in his current situation. 17 isn't that big a deal over here. He does have some SUPER fans though. I'm convinced Piccolo is unusually popularly in the U.S

17 isn't that popular. While I think he is going to do well I think some people here are severely overestimating how well he is going to do, especially the ones who are basing this on how much he is showing in Heroes and stuff like that. He is a returning character, of couse he is going to show up in promotional material.

Yeah right 17 is so not popular that's why he made it in the official list of top 20 most popular character in dragon ball,he ranked right after Bulma an og character even with his lack of screen time,stop underestimating character's popularity,Japanese fans aren't obsessed with saiyans like the us fans that's why Toriyama cares about the japanese fans's opinion than the western people's opinion and he's right.

[Akyon]

Sorry to be that guy but have we got the popularity poll handy? I'd like to see the results.

[TheUltimateNinja]

How the heck is 17 supposed to power up? He found a scientist that gave him some upgrades or something?

[Lapislettuce]

17 is stronger than half the team already so him doing better than them won't be surprising. He might even get a power up to pass Piccolo, and Buu given Super's track record. 17 might be a big deal in Japan? If dbz was made in America. I doubt he'd be in his current situation. 17 isn't that big a deal over here. He does have some SUPER fans though. I'm convinced Piccolo is unusually popularly in the U.S

I will not accept that under any circumstances.

17 does not seem that popular in Japan either and if Dragon ball was made by anyone other than Troiyama, the other characyers would be getting more fights. This definitely seems like Toei marketing for merchandise. Piccolo is popular everyone whereas 17 is essentialy a random character that appeared in a part of an arc.

It's great to see Vegeta taking his rightful place alongside Goku again. Hopefully we'll see him kick a lot of behinds.

There are 70 characters who could potentially be beaten by Universe 7. That could be 7 each if the other universes deliberately try and get Universe 7 destroyed.

Everyone from team Universe 7 needs to win at least one match in a good way so everyone in the fanbase can actaully be satisfied.

17 is actually quite popular in japan the official poll in 2004 proved it,you're just a scared Piccolo fanboy who doesn't want to let a returning character who was treated badly have his shining moment,i'm so glad you don't have a word to say in all this,it's not your show it's Toriyama's and anything he wants to do he will do it,he doesn't listen to us irrational fans that's why he didn't let Vegeta has the kill in revival F the man literally gives no f,just accept the possiblity that 17 will shine more than the others since he's featured more than them which wouldn't be the case if he wasn't popular to begin with so stop spreading fake statements.

[Chuquita]

Have there been any recent popularity polls in Japan? The most recent one I'm aware of is over a decade old by now.

[Chelentano]

Yeah, popularity it's a temporal thing. I don't know how someone can claim that certain character is popular and then say that his source is a poll 13 years old

[Lapislettuce]

Yeah, popularity it's a temporal thing. I don't know how someone can claim that certain character is popular and then say that his source is a poll 13 years old

In 2004 dbz was already over a long time ago if a character was popular back then he will still be right now,do you guys even read what you're writing you're all making 0 sense.

[Noah]

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Super Saiyan Gohan with his bang back? Not gonna lie, I prefer that design over he becoming "Mystic" again.

Vegeta will never be retired. he's been Toriyama's 2nd main character since Z and that's not going to change anytime soon.

Not really. Gohan was always the 2nd main character in Z, Vegeta become more relevant than him in some portions of the Boo arc, much due Gohan incompetence and later finally took this title in the new installaments of the series.

[Kanassa]

Not really. Gohan was always the 2nd main character in Z, Vegeta become more relevant than him in some portions of the Boo arc, much due Gohan incompetence and later finally took this title in the new installaments of the series.

Vegeta was much more of a second main character than Gohan, considering how much he actually does throughout all the arcs.

[namekiansaiyan]

17 is stronger than half the team already so him doing better than them won't be surprising. He might even get a power up to pass Piccolo, and Buu given Super's track record. 17 might be a big deal in Japan? If dbz was made in America. I doubt he'd be in his current situation. 17 isn't that big a deal over here. He does have some SUPER fans though. I'm convinced Piccolo is unusually popularly in the U.S

I will not accept that under any circumstances.

17 does not seem that popular in Japan either and if Dragon ball was made by anyone other than Troiyama, the other characyers would be getting more fights. This definitely seems like Toei marketing for merchandise. Piccolo is popular everyone whereas 17 is essentialy a random character that appeared in a part of an arc.

It's great to see Vegeta taking his rightful place alongside Goku again. Hopefully we'll see him kick a lot of behinds.

There are 70 characters who could potentially be beaten by Universe 7. That could be 7 each if the other universes deliberately try and get Universe 7 destroyed.

Everyone from team Universe 7 needs to win at least one match in a good way so everyone in the fanbase can actaully be satisfied.

17 is actually quite popular in japan the official poll in 2004 proved it,you're just a scared Piccolo fanboy who doesn't want to let a returning character who was treated badly have his shining moment,i'm so glad you don't have a word to say in all this,it's not your show it's Toriyama's and anything he wants to do he will do it,he doesn't listen to us irrational fans that's why he didn't let Vegeta has the kill in revival F the man literally gives no f,just accept the possiblity that 17 will shine more than the others since he's featured more than them which wouldn't be the case if he wasn't popular to begin with so stop spreading fake statements.

People like the majority of the other memebers of team Universe 7 more than they do Android 17. 17 is way down the list compared to others. Toriyama needs to give moments to existing character before he gives moments to a character like Android 17. Your username has Lapis in it so you are probably a 17 fanboy so don't start calling me a scared Piccolo fanboy when you are probably a scared 17 fanboy. Piccolo is a big character so why would I be worried about him not doing any good?

[kinisking]

I'm actually really into Goku acting antagonistic. It's a pretty unique thing for a main character to be acting like this, and since it seems this is going to be their intention for this arc might as well roll with it.

"I'm evil, huh? That's interesting!" is an amazing quote from him, like he's not even denying it.

Wasn't that pretty much Cell's response?
My question becomes where do they go with Goku's character from here. Any epiphany he has from this would seem like the type of thing which would prompt Goku to retire from fighting.
If its a case where he gets carried away with it like an addiction, wouldn't a solution be to stop cold turkey. He's done more drastic things for lesser reasons.

When did cell ever say anything like that? And cold turkey rarely works for addictions

[Baggie_Saiyan]

Yeah, popularity it's a temporal thing. I don't know how someone can claim that certain character is popular and then say that his source is a poll 13 years old

In 2004 dbz was already over a long time ago if a character was popular back then he will still be right now,do you guys even read what you're writing you're all making 0 sense.

Whoa there. 13 years is a long time especially when we have had a cornucopious amount of new material since then. I liked Gohan back then, then disliked him and now like him again for example.

[kinisking]

Not really. Gohan was always the 2nd main character in Z, Vegeta become more relevant than him in some portions of the Boo arc, much due Gohan incompetence and later finally took this title in the new installaments of the series.

Vegeta was much more of a second main character than Gohan, considering how much he actually does throughout all the arcs.

Nah, Gohan was literally built up to the be the main character and actually was it during certain segments of the story unlike Vegeta.

[Noah]

Vegeta was much more of a second main character than Gohan, considering how much he actually does throughout all the arcs.

Although he never had the same focus as Gohan had until the final arc of the manga.

[Chelentano]

Yeah, popularity it's a temporal thing. I don't know how someone can claim that certain character is popular and then say that his source is a poll 13 years old

In 2004 dbz was already over a long time ago if a character was popular back then he will still be right now,do you guys even read what you're writing you're all making 0 sense.

Right. It seems like there isn't much people who agrees with you around here, though. Maybe is you who doesn't make sense

[kinisking]

Yeah, popularity it's a temporal thing. I don't know how someone can claim that certain character is popular and then say that his source is a poll 13 years old

In 2004 dbz was already over a long time ago if a character was popular back then he will still be right now,do you guys even read what you're writing you're all making 0 sense.

Whoa there. 13 years is a long time especially when we have had a cornucopious amount of new material since then. I liked Gohan back then, then disliked him and now like him again for example.

Oh, you like Gohan now ? What made you dislike him ? Also, what made you like him again ?

[SansrivaaL]

People like the majority of the other memebers of team Universe 7 more than they do Android 17. 17 is way down the list compared to others. Toriyama needs to give moments to existing character before he gives moments to a character like Android 17. Your username has Lapis in it so you are probably a 17 fanboy so don't start calling me a scared Piccolo fanboy when you are probably a scared 17 fanboy. Piccolo is a big character so why would I be worried about him not doing any good?

Not to mention Piccolo is Toriyama's favorite character next to Goku. Piccolo has a high chance of doing great since characters like Roshi,Tien and Krillin are also there.

[Lapislettuce]

I will not accept that under any circumstances.

17 does not seem that popular in Japan either and if Dragon ball was made by anyone other than Troiyama, the other characyers would be getting more fights. This definitely seems like Toei marketing for merchandise. Piccolo is popular everyone whereas 17 is essentialy a random character that appeared in a part of an arc.



There are 70 characters who could potentially be beaten by Universe 7. That could be 7 each if the other universes deliberately try and get Universe 7 destroyed.

Everyone from team Universe 7 needs to win at least one match in a good way so everyone in the fanbase can actaully be satisfied.

17 is actually quite popular in japan the official poll in 2004 proved it,you're just a scared Piccolo fanboy who doesn't want to let a returning character who was treated badly have his shining moment,i'm so glad you don't have a word to say in all this,it's not your show it's Toriyama's and anything he wants to do he will do it,he doesn't listen to us irrational fans that's why he didn't let Vegeta has the kill in revival F the man literally gives no f,just accept the possiblity that 17 will shine more than the others since he's featured more than them which wouldn't be the case if he wasn't popular to begin with so stop spreading fake statements.

People like the majority of the other memebers of team Universe 7 more than they do Android 17. 17 is way down the list compared to others. Toriyama needs to give moments to existing character before he gives moments to a character like Android 17. Your username has Lapis in it so you are probably a 17 fanboy so don't start calling me a scared Piccolo fanboy when you are probably a scared 17 fanboy. Piccolo is a big character so why would I be worried about him not doing any good?

Lol there's no reason for me to be scared actually since i'm focused on being hyped for my favorite character to return,you're the one whining on the fact that people aren't caring about Piccolo at all in this arc since he wasn't shown in the promotional stuff at all if you take a look at the poster 17 is right next to Goku in the poster and where is Piccolo ? pushed in the side i wouldn't even be surprised if he's one of the first to go down just look at his lame fight with Frost,you need to move on and realise 17 is a returning character who needs built up and more focus he deserves it after missing all this time and i see a big portion of people who are excited about that i don't see why you're bitching about it Piccolo had decent screen time,it's 2017 now and it's 17's time,get over it.