The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

[MrGohanks]

ToP anime Roshi (no Mafuba) vs Super Perfect Cell

Videl (peak) vs Mercenary Tao

SSJ Trunks (debut) vs Piccolo (when the Androids arrived)

SSB Goku (RoF) vs SSJ4 Gogeta (GT)

SSJ1 Goku (Baby saga) vs Buuhan (enraged)

[ZombieVito]

ToP anime Roshi (no Mafuba) vs Super Perfect Cell

Videl (peak) vs Mercenary Tao

SSJ Trunks (debut) vs Piccolo (when the Androids arrived)

SSB Goku (RoF) vs SSJ4 Gogeta (GT)

SSJ1 Goku (Baby saga) vs Buuhan (enraged)

Cell finger flicks sadly.
I actually have Videl close to Blue so the same thing happens with her and Tao.
I have Piccolo slightly stronger so he wins with his superior skill.
I have no idea how strong SS4 is suppose to be but since this is a fusion then I say he wins.
Wasn't base Goku around Pure Boo in that arc? He wins with Super Saiyan.

[Koitsukai]

ToP anime Roshi (no Mafuba) vs Super Perfect Cell

Videl (peak) vs Mercenary Tao

SSJ Trunks (debut) vs Piccolo (when the Androids arrived)

SSB Goku (RoF) vs SSJ4 Gogeta (GT)

SSJ1 Goku (Baby saga) vs Buuhan (enraged)

1- Cell.
I still can't believe people think Roshi of all people is that much stronger based on... well nothing, based on fighting a stronger guy in a non-killing tournament, and some badly written recruitment episodes.

2- Good one. I think Tao Pai Pai is much well versed in ki control, has superior techniques. He'll take it.

3- No way to be sure, but I doubt Piccolo could take out Freeza as easily as Trunks. I don't have the manga at hand, but maybe how they did against the androids might shed some light on the matter.

4- To me, SS4 Gogeta is like a SSG fusion, and he takes it easily.

5- Buuhan was surpassed by a guy that trashed SS3 Goku. I'd say he'd need SS2, but SS might work. Depending on if he is still able to get he most out of SS as a kid. Enraged Buuhan was making Super Vegito struggle, I'm not sure SS Goku is that much stronger than Vegito.

[GreatSaiyaman123]

ToP anime Roshi (no Mafuba) vs Super Perfect Cell

Videl (peak) vs Mercenary Tao

SSJ Trunks (debut) vs Piccolo (when the Androids arrived)

SSB Goku (RoF) vs SSJ4 Gogeta (GT)

SSJ1 Goku (Baby saga) vs Buuhan (enraged)

Roshi. He's at best Cell Games SSJ level.

Definitely Tao. Videl only learned the basic Ki control stuff, but she never seemed like she focused on getting much stronger. She'd be lucky to take on Yamcha or Goku from when DB started.

Piccolo. He was ready to fight the Androids based on Trunks' stories. The only reason he backed out from fighting 19 and 20 before Vegeta arrived is because they absorb energy.

Goku. I don't see Gogeta going very far beyond SSJG level.

Goku takes this. Base Goku is stronger than Gohan-Boo in M2, by the Baby Saga he's even stronger.

[Onikage725]

ToP anime Roshi (no Mafuba) vs Super Perfect Cell

Videl (peak) vs Mercenary Tao

SSJ Trunks (debut) vs Piccolo (when the Androids arrived)

SSB Goku (RoF) vs SSJ4 Gogeta (GT)

SSJ1 Goku (Baby saga) vs Buuhan (enraged)

Super Perfect Cell. Roshi is all over the place in DBS. But his most recent (Moro arc against
Miza, Iwaza, and Kikaza) seemed to place him as comparable to Krillin. And the fusion of the three ladies outclassed them both. In the ToP he was checked by Frost in both anime and manga. Frost's power is also hard to scale but he was used as a fodder-cleaner in the ToP. I could see arguments for Roshi based on outlets, but I'm sticking with Cell for consistency + Regen.

I think Trunks and Piccolo is an interesting one but I'd side with Piccolo.

Gogeta IMO. Maybe later Goku could get it, but RoF he was fresh to the form.

Buuhan. It depends I think on his you interpret Goku's statement about Rilldo. I feel like it was kept vague. Did Goku mean Buuhan? Or Kid Buu who Goku had the most unfused experience fighting (and whose reincarnation Goku had been training for years). Or Mr. Buu, who was the Buu that currently existed. Since most of the time after Z that Buu is brought to in universe and in interviews, it's either referenced to Kid Buu or the good Buu, that's kind of where my mind goes. If you think Goku meant Super Buu, then Goku probably wins.

[Thani]

ToP anime Roshi (no Mafuba) vs Super Perfect Cell

Videl (peak) vs Mercenary Tao

SSJ Trunks (debut) vs Piccolo (when the Androids arrived)

SSB Goku (RoF) vs SSJ4 Gogeta (GT)

SSJ1 Goku (Baby saga) vs Buuhan (enraged)

1) Cell, easily. Roshi has techniques that could affect Cell, but on a 1v1 fight he just won't last even with his pseudo-UI.

2) Tao. He knows ki, Videl is an amateur, that's more than enough.

3) I really don't see anything putting Piccolo even on par with Freeza at that point. Trunks easily.

4) I have Gogeta as actually close to a God of Destruction, despite SS4 being weaker than SSG to me. Gogeta should win this handily.

5) Well, if GT Goku in base is equal to Pure Buu and his SS3 in the Buu arc, then he's basically a walking Vegito (because Vegito and Gogeta in Base are being treated as equal to it's fusees strongest forms). SS Goku is basically Super Vegito in strength. I find it ABSURD, but he would demolish Buuhan.

[MrGohanks]

If Buu saga Piccolo knew Kaioken x20, who do you guys think is the strongest character he could beat?

[Koitsukai]

If Buu saga Piccolo knew Kaioken x20, who do you guys think is the strongest character he could beat?

Being SS level, and considering SS3 is around 8x SS, with a KKx20, he'd be over twice as strong as Kid Buu, probably in the realm of Gohan, Gotenks and Buutenks.

[Thani]

If Buu saga Piccolo knew Kaioken x20, who do you guys think is the strongest character he could beat?

Being SS level, and considering SS3 is around 8x SS, with a KKx20, he'd be over twice as strong as Kid Buu, probably in the realm of Gohan, Gotenks and Buutenks.

This.

[GreatSaiyaman123]

If Buu saga Piccolo knew Kaioken x20, who do you guys think is the strongest character he could beat?

Kibitoshin.

[MrGohanks]

Who do you guys think is the strongest character that Hope Sword Trunks could beat, besides Merged Zamasu?

[Yuji]

If Buu saga Piccolo knew Kaioken x20, who do you guys think is the strongest character he could beat?

Being SS level, and considering SS3 is around 8x SS, with a KKx20, he'd be over twice as strong as Kid Buu, probably in the realm of Gohan, Gotenks and Buutenks.

Assuming it takes the same toll on him as it did on Goku, I'd doubt he could defeat even the weaker Boos with their regeneration.

[SupremeKai25]

Who do you guys think is the strongest character that Hope Sword Trunks could beat, besides Merged Zamasu?

Since Fused Zamasu is stronger than:

- Evolved Vegeta (shown as peer to Kaioken Goku, who couldn't defeat Fused Zamasu as stated by Gowasu);
- Thereby stronger than Toppo (who lost to Evolved Vegeta);
- And is also stronger than Kefla (fusion of weaker fusées whose top form is SS2, while Fused Zamasu is perpetually in SS Rosé and his fusées are stronger than Kale and Caulifla)

Theoretically, Future Trunks would be able to oneshot pretty much everyone in the Tournament of Power except for Jiren and the Mastered Ultra Instinct Goku. Who also happen to be the two people who could defeat Fused Zamasu.

Trunks' feat against Fused Zamasu simply elevates him that high. If he gets a hit on the enemy, he oneshots anyone in the ToP except MUI Goku and Jiren (and maybe the final stage of Omen from ep. 129, but I frankly don't remember how strong he is).

However, I am talking theoretically because, while not outright stated, we can infer that Fused Zamasu became much weaker from fighting Vegito. It is stated by Shin that he was falling apart physically, mentally, and emotionally. His body was literally falling apart/melting.

So is Future Trunks' feat legit (which means that Post-Vegito fight Zamasu = Pre-Vegito fight Zamasu), or is it possible that Fused Zamasu was weakened permanently from all the hits he got from Vegito (Due to his faulty Immortality)? If it's the latter, then we would have to re-evaluate how strong Trunks is, as we overestimated him...

[Koitsukai]

Who do you guys think is the strongest character that Hope Sword Trunks could beat, besides Merged Zamasu?

He can injure anybody with a genki sword, but he lacks the speed and skills to wield it against anybody stronger than KKx20 Goku.

He can probably, in a team up, contribute to the defeat of Kefla, regular Toppo, Hit, maybe Aniraza, and that's it. It isn't saying much, though, Sorbet's little laser can harm SSB Goku as long as he is not paying attention, so Trunks can get away with backstabbing anybody but Sign, Jiren and Hakaishin Toppo. Specially Toppo, with hakai energy all over him.
Face to face, anybody above blue level, is kicking that sword out of his hands and blowing him away without a problem. He is not even outskilling ToP SSBKKx20 Goku on a duel.

[ZombieVito]

Who do you guys think is the strongest character that Hope Sword Trunks could beat, besides Merged Zamasu?

It entirely depends on what you believe, did Fused Zamasu lost power during his fight with Vegetto or not?

If he did then I would say Future Trunks can kill Anilaza and nothing above that.

If he didn't then he beats even GoD Toppo and SS2 Kefla, maybe even SSBE Vegeta.

[Thani]

Zamasu doesn't need to have lost raw power - he's immortal, after all. But his meltdown was supposed to impair him - he started doing worse against Vegito, was barely coherent, half of his body was goo, etc.

He was slower, his faulty immortality was exhausted after enduring so many attacks, and so on. That doesn't take away from Trunks' feat - his genki sword still had to overpower both Zamasu's ki and his body.

I don't think Trunks' can physically tag the likes of SSBE Vegeta, SSB Goku with the kaioken, GoD Toppo, etc - it's still just SSRage Trunks wielding a powerful sword. He CAN deliver considerable damage to them if he manages to hit, though. At least, it's what I believe.

[ZombieVito]

Zamasu doesn't need to have lost raw power - he's immortal, after all. But his meltdown was supposed to impair him - he started doing worse against Vegito, was barely coherent, half of his body was goo, etc.

He was slower, his faulty immortality was exhausted after enduring so many attacks, and so on. That doesn't take away from Trunks' feat - his genki sword still had to overpower both Zamasu's ki and his body.

I don't think Trunks' can physically tag the likes of SSBE Vegeta, SSB Goku with the kaioken, GoD Toppo, etc - it's still just SSRage Trunks wielding a powerful sword. He CAN deliver considerable damage to them if he manages to hit, though. At least, it's what I believe.

I always had the theory that only the corrupted half of Zamasu grew in power. Watch the Vegetto fight again, every significant hit Zamasu lands on him is with his corrupted arm.

Trunks also only overpowers the ki blade Zamasu did, which is on his left side.

[Thani]

Zamasu doesn't need to have lost raw power - he's immortal, after all. But his meltdown was supposed to impair him - he started doing worse against Vegito, was barely coherent, half of his body was goo, etc.

He was slower, his faulty immortality was exhausted after enduring so many attacks, and so on. That doesn't take away from Trunks' feat - his genki sword still had to overpower both Zamasu's ki and his body.

I don't think Trunks' can physically tag the likes of SSBE Vegeta, SSB Goku with the kaioken, GoD Toppo, etc - it's still just SSRage Trunks wielding a powerful sword. He CAN deliver considerable damage to them if he manages to hit, though. At least, it's what I believe.

I always had the theory that only the corrupted half of Zamasu grew in power. Watch the Vegetto fight again, every significant hit Zamasu lands on him is with his corrupted arm.

Trunks also only overpowers the ki blade Zamasu did, which is on his left side.

That's true, and it would make sense.

But I don't mind believing that Trunks, with the Sword of Hope, could hit beyond his weight class. Basically, he's still weaker than the likes of GoD Toppo, SSBE Vegeta, etc, BUT his sword can still damage them because it's that powerful. It's made with external power, after all.

[ZombieVito]

Zamasu doesn't need to have lost raw power - he's immortal, after all. But his meltdown was supposed to impair him - he started doing worse against Vegito, was barely coherent, half of his body was goo, etc.

He was slower, his faulty immortality was exhausted after enduring so many attacks, and so on. That doesn't take away from Trunks' feat - his genki sword still had to overpower both Zamasu's ki and his body.

I don't think Trunks' can physically tag the likes of SSBE Vegeta, SSB Goku with the kaioken, GoD Toppo, etc - it's still just SSRage Trunks wielding a powerful sword. He CAN deliver considerable damage to them if he manages to hit, though. At least, it's what I believe.

I always had the theory that only the corrupted half of Zamasu grew in power. Watch the Vegetto fight again, every significant hit Zamasu lands on him is with his corrupted arm.

Trunks also only overpowers the ki blade Zamasu did, which is on his left side.

That's true, and it would make sense.

But I don't mind believing that Trunks, with the Sword of Hope, could hit beyond his weight class. Basically, he's still weaker than the likes of GoD Toppo, SSBE Vegeta, etc, BUT his sword can still damage them because it's that powerful. It's made with external power, after all.

But the Genki Sword would have to be stronger than Vegetto Blue and I find that hard to believe.

[Krillin1994]

I always had the theory that only the corrupted half of Zamasu grew in power. Watch the Vegetto fight again, every significant hit Zamasu lands on him is with his corrupted arm.

Trunks also only overpowers the ki blade Zamasu did, which is on his left side.

That's true, and it would make sense.

But I don't mind believing that Trunks, with the Sword of Hope, could hit beyond his weight class. Basically, he's still weaker than the likes of GoD Toppo, SSBE Vegeta, etc, BUT his sword can still damage them because it's that powerful. It's made with external power, after all.

But the Genki Sword would have to be stronger than Vegetto Blue and I find that hard to believe.

It's defo rule of cool for it, though I had less suspension of disbelief in Trunks harnessing it in a slicing attack.

Vegeto Blue pushed Zamasu's imperfect body to limits of regen that it was basically one slice away from imploding in on itself (not necessarily stronger than Zamasu - see Goku getting hit by bullets etc).

The most egregious use of Genki power is at ToP where we are supposed to believe an 8 man spirit bomb (with 3 of the makeup the humans) was stronger than SSB KKx20 Goku.