MDSTSSJ wrote:Don't take it personally but x2000?? That's a straight up bullshit to me!!! You know a lot of Dragon Ball and I can't believe you support that number.
We know that Goku is stronger than Goten only when they are in the same form (not counting SS2/3), and we also know that Gohan isn't far below Goku. We also know that U. Gohan isn't times stronger than SS3 Gotenks, but he is stronger. So, let's assume these numbers (Goten is post-RoSaT, and Gohan is post-Z-Sword):
SS = base x50
SS3 = base x400
Fusion = base x140 (Officially, it is "many dozens of times", and stronger than Super Saiyan, so x140 works fine here, making the gap between base Gotenks > SS2 Vegeta (implied in the Daizenshuu)as small as possible.)
Goku: 2
Gohan: 1,8
Goten: 1,5
SS Goku: 100
SS3 Goku: 800
SS Goten: 75
Gotenks: 210
SS Gotenks: 10.500
SS3 Gotenks: 84.000
Ultimate Gohan: 90.000
We have a 50.000 multiplier here!
MDSTSSJ wrote:Oh men, now I believe that the multiplier for SSJ4 is at least x4000 to x40,000.
SS4 Goku is even stronger than Ultimate Gohan, and close to Super Vegetto, who is far stronger than Gohan (and possibly stronger than U. Gohan in base, since it sounds to me like U. Gohan < Gotenks Boo < base Gokan < base Vegetto). So, the SS4 multiplier could be over x2.500.000.
TheMightyOzaru wrote:Saiga wrote:Where are those figures from, TheMightyOzaru? Because the formatting is rather... unusual.
I made them myself. I'm not highly educated in Japanese, but I know my fair share of stuff.
But why are you using Japanese in an English-speaking forum?
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
