Official On-Going DBZ 2015 Movie Thread: "Resurrection 'F'"

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Re: Official On-Going DBZ 2015 Movie Thread: "Fukkatsu no F"

Post by Mewzard » Sun Nov 23, 2014 10:04 pm

MCDaveG wrote:Well, even that flashback of the SSJ God shown him in red colours, so I think that there is possibility that Vegeta will be red as well.
Or it will seriously end up like god damn Power Rangers!
Because multiple colors is the only defining trait of Super Sentai/Power Rangers...>_>

The totally awesome Dragon Ball would never reference something as "lame" as Power Rangers, right guys?

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Sarcasm at ridiculously childish complaints aside, I really do hope the return of Freeza is done to show Vegeta's growth as a character (Freeza will likely be surprised at how he had changed), and give him a last chance at finally settling things himself (since he wasn't able to fight at Freeza's level before his death).

I never imagined this as a possible event to occur, but having it as a plot to a movie...it could be very good. It could also go bad, but I'm willing to give Toriyama a shot. He's done good thus far with things.

If ever there was a time to go SSJ God, being the one to face a revived enemy from his youth at a new level would be it.
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Post by Gyt Kaliba » Sun Nov 23, 2014 10:06 pm

Dear god, some of you really just want to hate on every little aspect of everything that doesn't match your preferred vision for the series 100%, don't you?

Seriously, disliking something is one thing, but this continuous ranting about your hatred for these things...it's getting old, and fast. We get it. You hate new stuff. Could you please reign in your hate-boners just a little bit, or, I dunno...just ignore topics that don't interest you? It would save you time, and my brain cells. It's a win-win.

I also really don't get these 'power rangers' comparisons, as if they were the only thing to ever be color coded. TMNT, Gatchaman, and about a hundred other franchises say hi.
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Post by VegettoEX » Sun Nov 23, 2014 10:14 pm

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Post by TheGmGoken » Sun Nov 23, 2014 10:19 pm

My biggest fear for this movie and for some reason I feel like we're going to get it......Is an another Saiyan that lived through the Saiyan massacre and will debut in this movie. I just hope not but I feel it coming.

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Post by FortuneSSJ » Sun Nov 23, 2014 10:26 pm

Maybe Gine will appear. Or brace yourselves, Bardock too. :lol:
I don't see any old saiyan appear besides in flashbacks. Know another survivor now doesn't make sense.
I liked to know more about this original ssjg though.
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Post by Gyt Kaliba » Sun Nov 23, 2014 10:30 pm

Hmm...come to think of it, maybe this film will explain why in the world Freeza knew about Super Saiyan God in Dragon Ball Minus...considering that's my most major issue with that, it'd be nice if Toriyama could clear that up somehow.
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Post by Avenged » Sun Nov 23, 2014 10:31 pm

Mewzard wrote:
The totally awesome Dragon Ball would never reference something as "lame" as Power Rangers, right guys?

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Pretty sure the Ginyu Force was created before the first appearance of the Power Rangers.
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Post by sintzu » Sun Nov 23, 2014 10:31 pm

FortuneSSJ wrote: Know another survivor now doesn't make sense.
They could introduce one the same way they did Tarble by having him be on another planet at the time Frieza attacked.
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Post by UpFromTheSkies » Sun Nov 23, 2014 10:32 pm

FortuneSSJ wrote:Maybe Gine will appear. Or brace yourselves, Bardock too. :lol:
With Freeza being the antagonist, I'm expecting them to appear in a flashback

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Post by ssjgluffy » Sun Nov 23, 2014 10:36 pm

I do like Freeza, he's probably my favorite villain but he wasn't really a challenge anymore on his first "resurrection" let alone years later where Freeza level characters were getting taken on by base Goten and Trunks. Even with a fifth form I cant see how he is a threat. Maybe only in the anime timeline where even villains kept their bodies post death.

And IIRC Toriyama once said Freeza still had followers left behind.

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Post by Mewzard » Sun Nov 23, 2014 10:40 pm

For Freeza's "further transformations, do you guys hope we see him get more buff/monstrous, like an opposite to Goku's god form? Or would you prefer it follow that path and make Freeza look deceptively unintimidating like his true form did?
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The first Super Sentai series, Himitsu Sentai Goranger, started in 1975.

From what I recall, Toriyama was watching Super Sentai with one of his kids. The same year the Ginyu Force was introduced, Chikyu Sentai Fiveman was airing and introduced an evil Sentai. Not sure if one was inspired by the other, as it happened pretty close together, but yeah, that could have been the inspiration for it.
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Post by Ajay » Sun Nov 23, 2014 10:50 pm

FortuneSSJ wrote:Maybe Gine will appear. Or brace yourselves, Bardock too. :lol:
Oh god, don't even joke! Pretty sure I'd straight up quit this fandom if that happened.

Though I am quite confused by all this negative speculation. We have pretty much nothing to go on other than a poster and a tagline. I understand the notion of reviving an age-old enemy sounds particularly lazy on paper but given Battle of Gods and its attempts to subvert many of the series' tropes, I'd like to think they'll be doing something creative this time too.

There's merits to criticism but I can't help but personally feel there's little point in drowning ourselves in a well of pessimism based on very little. By all means, if we get a teaser with some of the worst animation we've ever seen alongside a plot from the Teletubbies then go crazy. Until then, shouldn't we all be excited that there's another Dragon Ball film on the way?! One that was highly praised by Toriyama's old hardass editor! :o

I'm dying to know who's going to be composing the music this time around. I liked Battle of Gods' score but I can't say I loved it. Though, I think for consistency's sake, I'd quite like Sumitomo back. His work in Kai really doesn't feel very indicative of his overall talents and, given the film's supposed darker tone, I feel like his love of dramatic chants would work great.

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Post by RandomGuy96 » Sun Nov 23, 2014 10:53 pm

Toriyama's old editor praising it is part of the reason I'm not expecting good things, actually. There's an equal chance that his approval could be a good or bad thing.
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He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.
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Post by JulieYBM » Sun Nov 23, 2014 10:59 pm

RandomGuy96 wrote:Toriyama's old editor praising it is part of the reason I'm not expecting good things, actually. There's an equal chance that his approval could be a good or bad thing.
Torishima is the same guy who gave us Chapters #1-208 and told Toriyama all of the Artificial Humans sucked and needed to change two or three times. Given some of the best decisions the comic made came from Torishima I'd say there's a pretty good chance the script is going to be good, given how much of the fun Toriyama had working on Kami to Kami came through in the script for that movie.
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Post by Lord Beerus » Sun Nov 23, 2014 11:02 pm

RandomGuy96 wrote:Toriyama's old editor praising it is part of the reason I'm not expecting good things, actually. There's an equal chance that his approval could be a good or bad thing.
Toriyama first editor was very hard to please and rarely gave Toriyama praise. If he was impressed with Toriyama's script for FnF, that's all the approval I need. :thumbup:

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Post by JamesOwnz » Sun Nov 23, 2014 11:32 pm

In the end this movie will probably have a lot of haters from people who think their favorite characters got a raw deal like Gohan or something.

I'm expecting i'll love it though... Battle of Gods was by far the best Dragon Ball movie and really no other movie comes close... but a lot of people disliked it because there was comedy and what have you...meh

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Post by KentalSSJ6 » Sun Nov 23, 2014 11:37 pm

JamesOwnz wrote:In the end this movie will probably have a lot of haters from people who think their favorite characters got a raw deal like Gohan or something.

I'm expecting i'll love it though... Battle of Gods was by far the best Dragon Ball movie and really no other movie comes close... but a lot of people disliked it because there was comedy and what have you...meh
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Post by MagicBox » Sun Nov 23, 2014 11:49 pm

Playing catch-up after being away from a computer for a few days...!

- Glad to have confirmation that the guy in the tracksuit is Gohan.

- Goku's, Vegeta's, and Kuririn's slightly-different outfits look good.

- I know the poster's not the best indication of anything, but even after all of this, I'm still leaning towards my "history is rewritten" hypothesis. We know that the wish brings Freeza back in some way, but we still don't know what that wish is. I'm going to guess that Tagoma and Sorbet say something like "I wish Freeza had never fallen out of power!" or something like that, which results in an alternate history in which Piccolo, Gohan, and Kuririn (among others?) are still fighting for their lives under his reign. If that's true, then we might not even see #18, Goten, Trunks, etc. Still not sure how Goku, Vegeta, Beerus, or Whis fit into that idea, but I can't help but think the story is heading somewhere in that direction.

- Of course, Piccolo's right there with Gohan and Kuririn. So... if my idea is right, does that mean it's an alternate history in which Piccolo's still alive / been revived, but Yamcha, Tenshinhan, and Chaozu are still dead? I'm just going to stop there while I'm behind.

- I'm still not a big fan of Sumitomo, but I hope he returns to score the film. I'm sick of all this composer-hopping we've been doing in recent years (these guys aren't going to get any better unless they work on more than a few DB projects). Besides, I'd like for this whole "film series" revival to have a consistent musical tone.
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Post by sintzu » Sun Nov 23, 2014 11:56 pm

JamesOwnz wrote:In the end this movie will probably have a lot of haters from people who think their favorite characters got a raw deal like Gohan or something.
At this point fans shouldn't expect anyone other then Goku&Vegeta to shine.

Sure the rest will probably take out Frieza's henchmen but that's not what their fan base's want.
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Post by RandomGuy96 » Sun Nov 23, 2014 11:57 pm

Torishima is the same guy who gave us Chapters #1-208 and told Toriyama all of the Artificial Humans sucked and needed to change two or three times.
My point exactly.
Toriyama first editor was very hard to please and rarely gave Toriyama praise. If he was impressed with Toriyama's script for FnF, that's all the approval I need. :thumbup:
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He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.
It was actually Beerus disguised as Zarbon #StayWoke
Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.

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