The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by hleV » Tue Jul 17, 2012 7:16 pm

Mjb1985 wrote:Vegeta thought they were somewhat accurate.
What? How? When?

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Mjb1985 » Tue Jul 17, 2012 7:18 pm

Vegeta seemed a little concerned about Piccolo fighting 20. Perhaps if Gero absorbed him again, he would be close to Vegeta. At least close enough for some concern. Vegeta was impressed with 20's speed previously.

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by hleV » Tue Jul 17, 2012 7:25 pm

Mjb1985 wrote:Vegeta seemed a little concerned about Piccolo fighting 20. Perhaps if Gero absorbed him again, he would be close to Vegeta. At least close enough for some concern. Vegeta was impressed with 20's speed previously.
In the manga, there's only one or two small panels where Vegeta says something when Piccolo is about to fight #20. And since he's smiling confidently, I kinda doubt he's concerned about Piccolo getting his energy drained.

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Post by Mjb1985 » Tue Jul 17, 2012 7:27 pm

He was concerned enough to bring up the issue. Now I don't think Gero is spot on at all, but Vegeta proves that Gero is probably getting into the ball park range of him.

The humans have haxed their way into all these crazy scenarios beforehand, I don't see why them being somewhat comparable to the Base Saiyans and Piccolo Suppressed would be an illogical move.

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Post by Kaboom » Tue Jul 17, 2012 7:55 pm

I don't see much in the way of "confidence" here. I get the feeling Vegeta's position was just a matter of "any help I can get." Same with the Ginyu Force. Vegeta would have to be in a pretty desperate situation to ask for any of the Earthlings' help.
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Post by Insertclevername » Tue Jul 17, 2012 7:58 pm

Well these same Earthlings did manage to beat him on Earth before, and he was much stronger than him. Perhaps Vegeta was counting on their craftiness and/or Gohan's anger episodes.
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Post by mysticboy » Tue Jul 17, 2012 8:35 pm

Z Fighters from Trunks' timeline (let's just say, all of them kept their bodies after the androids killed them so they can train in Other World; Goku kept his as well) vs. their normal timeline counterparts (Buu saga)

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Post by Insertclevername » Tue Jul 17, 2012 8:55 pm

I don't think they'd be that strong considering they have no real goal, however Gokuu did prove that wrong. Well Vegeta could possibly not be with him as he would probably be in Hell, so they'd be down a member. They also lack Goten and Trunks, which would also mean no Gotenks. Piccolo didn't fuse so who knows how far he could have come. Finally Gohan would trump most of them through his power up.

I'd say normal timeline.
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Mjb1985 » Tue Jul 17, 2012 9:24 pm

If Character A is 530 and Character B is 475 - 500 , how strong would characters C and D be for Character B to think they can beat an ever more powerful version of Character A?

75 ain't cutting IMO. 75 helping out 475 is just a big no no to me but I think people generally get attached to certain preconceived notions of the humans having any sort of limits and what not.

150 is the lowest I would put Kuririn personally.

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Post by Saiga » Tue Jul 17, 2012 9:31 pm

Fun fact: Vegeta's, Gohan's, and Kurilin's BP add up to 530,000 for the fight with Freeza.
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Post by Rocketman » Tue Jul 17, 2012 9:42 pm

Saiga wrote:Fun fact: Vegeta's, Gohan's, and Kurilin's BP add up to 530,000 for the fight with Freeza.
Holy shit.

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Post by Kaboom » Tue Jul 17, 2012 11:16 pm

Rocketman wrote:
Saiga wrote:Fun fact: Vegeta's, Gohan's, and Kurilin's BP add up to 530,000 for the fight with Freeza.
Holy shit.
Well technically they ALMOST add up, totaling at 525,000, but regardless sweet sassy molassy, my mind is BLOWN.
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Post by Saiga » Tue Jul 17, 2012 11:25 pm

Dang, my maths is a bit off.
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Mjb1985 » Wed Jul 18, 2012 2:38 am

Vegeta ( 1st Rosat ) vs Vegeta ( Movie 8 )

Let's do an easy one.

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Post by Insertclevername » Wed Jul 18, 2012 2:55 am

Mjb1985 wrote:Vegeta ( 1st Rosat ) vs Vegeta ( Movie 8 )

Let's do an easy one.
Movie 8 Vegeta would win, for obvious reasons.
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Post by Piccolo Daimao » Wed Jul 18, 2012 8:26 am

mysticboy wrote:Z Fighters from Trunks' timeline (let's just say, all of them kept their bodies after the androids killed them so they can train in Other World; Goku kept his as well) vs. their normal timeline counterparts (Buu saga)
The normal timeline Boo arc characters win, as the super-warriors from Trunks' timeline didn't get the benefit of training in the RoSaT or seeing Gohan rage-trigger into SS2 so Gokuu and Vegeta would use it as a template and train for it. Something like that. It's hard to tell, really, since we don't know much about the afterlife and its training advantages, other than time difference and stuff, but even so, we don't know how much that affected Gokuu in his training. Rather than applying his gain to being in the afterlife, Vegeta says that Gokuu managed to stay ahead of him because he was more gifted than him.
Mjb1985 wrote:Vegeta ( 1st Rosat ) vs Vegeta ( Movie 8 )
They're the same power. So stalemate.
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Post by Kaboom » Wed Jul 18, 2012 8:33 am

Mjb1985 wrote:Vegeta ( 1st Rosat ) vs Vegeta ( Movie 8 )
Let's do an easy one.
Vegeta wins.
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Post by hleV » Wed Jul 18, 2012 8:36 am

Kaboom wrote:
Mjb1985 wrote:Vegeta ( 1st Rosat ) vs Vegeta ( Movie 8 )
Let's do an easy one.
Vegeta wins.
No, Vegeta loses.

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by DBZGTKOSDH » Wed Jul 18, 2012 8:38 am

Mjb1985 wrote:Vegeta ( 1st Rosat ) vs Vegeta ( Movie 8 )
Let's do an easy one.
I believe that Vegeta (and Trunks) reached Super Saiyan Full Power after his 2nd round on RoSaT. I also believe that once someone becomes a Super Saiyan Full Power, he can't turn into Super Saiyan Grade 2 & 3, but he can access those form's power in normal Super Saiyan. Vegeta turned into SSG2 in Movie 8, so I have them equals. It's a draw, except if one of the makes a mistake, which would result Vegeta as winner.
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Mystic Gohan » Wed Jul 18, 2012 1:57 pm

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Mystic Gohan wrote:Or just me hear me out, this is kind of crazy. Maybe, just maybe Gohan was a SSJ with the power of a SSJ.
If he was, how could he take zero damage from Dabra, who was stronger than Super Perfect Cell?
Anyway, let's not continue this, Kaboom told us to end this topic.
Dabura was compared to a form of Cell. He was drawn as a SSJ, so its only logical that it was the one that Goku fought.

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