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[Saiyan Prince Vegeta]

hleV
That Kaio-ken picture has the clothes red too, it just seems to be the aura too me. Guess it's going to come down to how we interpret the manga. Though if Kaio-ken changes the eye colour too, why do you think the eyes are completely clear yet the hair stays a solid black, sometimes with a fade to white at the end of the hair?

SSJG:
Rather than comparing it to Kaio-ken because of it's colour (it's not even red it's magenta), it'd be much easier to say it's just base Goku recoloured and skinny, with a few more differences. The only thing that stays the same with Kaio-ken and SSJG is the hairstyle.

[TheDevilsCorpse]

The only thing that stays the same with Kaio-ken and SSJG is the hairstyle.

No, Super Saiyan God clearly gives Goku Super Saiyan-ish bangs:

[Saiyan Prince Vegeta]

I did think that, but then the current Goku bangs look quite similar to the SSJG form, though they do appear to be slightly different. Gokus hair has subtle differences arc after arc so I wouldn't compare Freeza arc Goku to BoG. I do agree that it looks more like current SSJ Gokus bangs though. The way Toriyama draws SSJ and SSJGs bangs are different though. It's confusing

[Gonstead]

WARNING: Explicit amount of blood. Vegetto fans be warned.

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Also, a pretty cool realistic looking appearance of Buu.



One more for tonight.

[hleV]

Kaioken does not have red hair and red eyes. Kaioken is a red aura, that is all .

Kaioken is a red aura, that is all it is.

Kaioken is a red aura! his hair does not change color.

Shut up.

Its like how SSJ changes the color of Goku's gi. Its a darker orange while in SSJ it looks like a light orange even though its not. Kaioken only affected hair in the games if I recall.

SS aura is just brighter, that's why the user looks brighter. There's no color change, or at least in the manga there isn't.

hleV
That Kaio-ken picture has the clothes red too, it just seems to be the aura too me.

I'm not saying that Goku's hair/eyes actually become red while using KK, but it doesn't make any different in argument about how unique SSG is. I'm saying, however, that it comes from the technique itself rather than aura, because the aura is not red.

Though if Kaio-ken changes the eye colour too, why do you think the eyes are completely clear yet the hair stays a solid black, sometimes with a fade to white at the end of the hair?

I already told you. Either because the hair has a darker tone of red than the eyes, or it's just to make KK Goku look cooler in black and white pages. The fade of white at the end of the hair is the same as in limited color palette.

[Saiyan Prince Vegeta]

So it's just down to us viewing Kaio-kens colours differently by what's shown in the manga. I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree.

I love those pictures Gonstead, well apart from the first one! Fuck it's so dark! Nice art though.

[TheMightyOzaru]

Sigh... hleV you could handle things better with less rude statements. Sorry but no that is an aura that covers Goku's body in red. What? Are you trying to tell me Goku's clothes magically change color too? Seriously dude it's a red aura, clear as day.

[Rocketman]

Does it really matter? The end result is the same - hair that looks red.

[elyas11]

Not to be rude but you guys do know the only thing red in KaioKen is the aura? It just shines onto his eyes and hair and gives it a reddish glow. It's not actually a change in hair colour.
Ever seen a red 'light' streak? no. Light only shows a colour once it touches a surface. KaioKen is like that.

So SSJG and KaioKen look nothing alike. And False SSJ is just a completely separate thing. It doesn't look like either.

[dbzfan7]

SS aura is just brighter, that's why the user looks brighter. There's no color change, or at least in the manga there isn't.

Exactly. Goku's gi looks like a brighter orange because the SSJ aura makes Goku appear brighter. The light reflects off his gi making the color look different. Same with Kaioken. The aura is only red or crimson.

[rereboy]

So SSJG and KaioKen look nothing alike.

SSJG just looks different enough for it to be different from Kaioken, it looks like Toriyama went about it like this "hmm, a new state of ssj... SSJ3 was already way too much, I guess I should try another color instead of yellow and less hair... How about red? Sounds good. I always liked kaioken... Yes, something like Kaioken. I'll just tweak it enough to make it distinct from Kaioken."

[dbzfan7]

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Like that would ever happen.


Now this I could see happening

[hleV]

Sigh... hleV you could handle things better with less rude statements. Sorry but no that is an aura that covers Goku's body in red. What? Are you trying to tell me Goku's clothes magically change color too? Seriously dude it's a red aura, clear as day.

What am I supposed to say when you deliberately ignore the fact that originally, Kaio-ken aura is white?

[rereboy]

When was Kaioken shown as white?

[Godo]

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Like that would ever happen.


Now this I could see happening

The only way that would happen is if Buu absorbed Vegetto, an impossible feat in itself (since Vegetto would shield himself an' all that), and then went back in time to fight Vegetto (whilst changing the color of his shirt).
And even so, the fight would never go so far, since Vegetto still has SSJ2 and SSJ3.

And about SSG; I think that the issue is about simplicity of view versus complexity of view.
Some people see a blue marble and say: "That's a nice blue marble!".
Some other people see a blue marble and say "That's the planet Earth!".

In a simple sense, Kaio-ken and SSJG are pretty much the same transformation (minus the power part). They look alike and are pretty much the same type of design just advanced further.
In a simple sense, SSJ and SSJ2 are also pretty much the same transformation (minus the power part). They look alike and are pretty much the same type of design just advanced further.

In a more complex sense, SSJG is a whole new transformation not related to Kaio-ken at all, since it gives thinner muscles, a golden aura, and red eyes and hair "for realz this time".
In a more complex sense, SSJ2 is completly unrelated to SSJ1 since it has spikier hair, changed aura and sparks.

I prefer to see things for just what they are.

When was Kaioken shown as white?

Pretty much from the Saiya-jin arc to the Freeza arc. But the Kaio-ken aura, among other auras and ki blasts in the colored pages were all white. This could be due to the limited available colors.
So it doesn't necessarily represent the true color of the Kaio-ken.

[rereboy]

When was Kaioken shown as white?

Pretty much from the Saiya-jin arc to the Freeza arc. But the Kaio-ken aura, among other auras and ki blasts in the colored pages were all white. This could be due to the limited available colors.
So it doesn't necessarily represent the true color of the Kaio-ken.

I've quickly gone through the colored manga pages of the saiyan and freeza arcs and I could only find red Kaiokens in the colored pages... So, yeah, it might be my fault, but right now I have no idea what you are talking about.

[Godo]

When was Kaioken shown as white?

Pretty much from the Saiya-jin arc to the Freeza arc. But the Kaio-ken aura, among other auras and ki blasts in the colored pages were all white. This could be due to the limited available colors.
So it doesn't necessarily represent the true color of the Kaio-ken.

I've quickly gone through the colored manga pages of the saiyan and freeza arcs and I could only find red Kaiokens in the colored pages... So, yeah, it might be my fault, but right now I have no idea what you are talking about.

What I mean is that Goku's body is red, but the aura is white.

[TheMightyOzaru]

Sigh... hleV you could handle things better with less rude statements. Sorry but no that is an aura that covers Goku's body in red. What? Are you trying to tell me Goku's clothes magically change color too? Seriously dude it's a red aura, clear as day.

What am I supposed to say when you deliberately ignore the fact that originally, Kaio-ken aura is white?

Whether it's white on the outside or not is irreverent, it gives the user a red glow. Not a physical change. Are you seriously trying to tell me that Goku's clothes and skin all magically turn red and pink? It's merely a red glow. The Kanzenban has also always had a strange pallet. Besides what would it matter if Kaioken was intended to have a white aura anyway? This is what it looks like and it's clearly supposed to be a red glow, it doesn't change your physical appearance:

[Rocketman]

And yet, his eyes and hair are still red.

[rereboy]

What I mean is that Goku's body is red, but the aura is white.

Ah, I see. Well, to me that implies red aura. It was just drawn in that effect instead of something like we see in the full color manga. At most, its a red and white aura, with white in its tips and red on the center, IMO.