English Dragon Box Release

[VegettoEX]

I assume, the middle is the book. Am I right?, and then the left and right is where the discs go?

That's exactly how "Dragon Box: The Movies" is set up, so I'd assume so as well.

[SSVegetto]

I assume, the middle is the book. Am I right?, and then the left and right is where the discs go?

That's exactly how "Dragon Box: The Movies" is set up, so I'd assume so as well.

Sweet, Then I don't have to worry about "Walmart" not carrying it. It's in the actual box. I'm sure I can get this for $50.

[Bardock the Mexican]

This almost makes Dragonball worth watching again. I might buy this if and when it hits store shelves where I live. I don't see that happening though since Dragonball had a good run in Mexico. I might on the other hand go and get it from one of my cousins who lives in Arizona. That would be a nice thing to get, expensive it may be, and other stuff. I look forward to getting this as soon as the budget allows for it.

[ShinRogafuken]

Thanks for clearing up the arguments! That's great! I'm really excited that so many people intend on getting the Dragon Box

[SuperSaiyan3Goku]

Anyway, has there been any concrete info on what English dub will be on the set? I.E.: English voices with Faulconer music, or the Japanese score?

[ShinRogafuken]

Anyway, has there been any concrete info on what English dub will be on the set? I.E.: English voices with Faulconer music, or the Japanese score?

Last time I checked the Twitter representative said either "Dunno, I'm asking around" (and never said anything past that) or "We haven't decided/We don't know".

Maybe there's a new update.

[SuperSaiyan3Goku]

I tried searching for "Dragon Box" and "Dragonball Z Dragonbox" on Twitter, and I got nothing.

If there's nothing yet, maybe there will be news in the next few weeks.

[SSVegetto]

Anyway, has there been any concrete info on what English dub will be on the set? I.E.: English voices with Faulconer music, or the Japanese score?

Last time I checked the Twitter representative said either "Dunno, I'm asking around" (and never said anything past that) or "We haven't decided/We don't know".

Maybe there's a new update.

Now, you got me worried! Alright, to avoid speculation. I need some proof. If anyone has it show it to me.

Now you say that there is no confirmation what BGM track they are going to use for the English audio.

Now to me that tells me, that this is confirmation that they are only going to have one English audio track on there. Is this 100% true? Or is this speculation?

(Amazon)On the first remastered box sets it states this:
English (Dolby Digital 2.0 Stereo), English (Dolby Digital 5.1), Japanese (Dolby Digital 1.0)

That there is 3 audio tracks.

(Amazon)On the Dragonbox it states this: Japanese, English.

Two audio tracks.

So this says in my mind that it's almost 100% certain that eps 1-291 will only have 2 audio tracks. Or are you guys just assuming there is only be going to be one English track and you are asking what BGM track they are going to use? Or did Funimation actually tell you through Twitter or another source that there is only going to be 2? Or is this just speculation?

[ShinRogafuken]

Anyway, has there been any concrete info on what English dub will be on the set? I.E.: English voices with Faulconer music, or the Japanese score?

Last time I checked the Twitter representative said either "Dunno, I'm asking around" (and never said anything past that) or "We haven't decided/We don't know".

Maybe there's a new update.

Now, you got me worried! Alright, to avoid speculation. I need some proof. If anyone has it show it to me.

Now you say that there is no confirmation what BGM track they are going to use for the English audio.

Now to me that tells me, that this is confirmation that they are only going to have one English audio track on there. Is this 100% true? Or is this speculation?

(Amazon)On the first remastered box sets it states this:
English (Dolby Digital 2.0 Stereo), English (Dolby Digital 5.1), Japanese (Dolby Digital 1.0)

That there is 3 audio tracks.

(Amazon)On the Dragonbox it states this: Japanese, English.

Two audio tracks.

So this says in my mind that it's almost 100% certain that eps 1-291 will only have 2 audio tracks. Or are you guys just assuming there is only be going to be one English track and you are asking what BGM track they are going to use? Or did Funimation actually tell you through Twitter or another source that there is only going to be 2? Or is this just speculation?

Uhh...all of the above I guess haha.

[B]

Amazon is most likely generalizing English and Japanese as two separate tracks, and probably aren't even considering the different BGM to qualify as a separate track.

And FUNimation has stated almost verbatim, "we don't know yet." Perhaps they're actually taking the time to decide why one should or should not be there?

[.:PoetikaL:.]

And FUNimation has stated almost verbatim, "we don't know yet." Perhaps they're actually taking the time to decide why one should or should not be there?

If they are taking their time deciding, good job on their part. Maybe they should have a poll and ask the fans to decide for them, since we nitpick and bicker what should be the English Track: Faulconer or Original Japanese BGM.

[ShinRogafuken]

I just don't get why people think FUNimation could include Faulconer and not the Japanese Score. That doesn't make sense to me.

[.:PoetikaL:.]

I just don't get why people think FUNimation could include Faulconer and not the Japanese Score. That doesn't make sense to me.

If they were to add the 3 scores like they did on the Season Sets, then there would be a loss in video quality. It's all about encoding everything.

[SuperSaiyan3Goku]

As for me, I don't really care what English dub is on it. If it is in fact the Japanese BGM, it doesn't really matter to me, because the original "Season" box sets have the Faulconer music. And I have most of it on my IPod anyway.

[LeprikanGT]

As long as its got the JP score and the English Faulconer score, I'm going to buy it...but right now I still need a confirmation on that latter part.

If they add it, I really think more people would buy it.

[SSVegetto]

I just don't get why people think FUNimation could include Faulconer and not the Japanese Score. That doesn't make sense to me.

If they were to add the 3 scores like they did on the Season Sets, then there would be a loss in video quality. It's all about encoding everything.

Exactly how? They were able to put 3 audios on their DBZ remastered widescreen boxsets? So why can't they do it with the Dragon Box sets?

Yes, they weren't exactly stuffing 7 episodes on each Dual Layer discs. But there were some discs that did have 7 episodes per disc and they were still able to put 3 audios on there.

They can simply cut the audio bitrate in half, they don't have to mess up the video quality. They can give the Japanese audio bitrate a higher bitrate , than have the two English ones cut in half. There is no need for 5.1 channel stereo either.

Amazon is most likely generalizing English and Japanese as two separate tracks, and probably aren't even considering the different BGM to qualify as a separate track.

And FUNimation has stated almost verbatim, "we don't know yet." Perhaps they're actually taking the time to decide why one should or should not be there?

I hope they hear my pleas then. I hope so badly they can have 3 audio tracks on there.

[.:PoetikaL:.]

I just don't get why people think FUNimation could include Faulconer and not the Japanese Score. That doesn't make sense to me.

If they were to add the 3 scores like they did on the Season Sets, then there would be a loss in video quality. It's all about encoding everything.

Exactly how? They were able to put 3 audios on their DBZ remastered widescreen boxsets? So why can't they do it with the Dragon Box sets?

Yes, they weren't exactly stuffing 7 episodes on each Dual Layer discs. But there were some discs that did have 7 episodes per disc and they were still able to put 3 audios on there.

They can simply cut the audio bitrate in half, they don't have to mess up the video quality. They can give the Japanese audio bitrate a higher bitrate , than have the two English ones cut in half. There is no need for 5.1 channel stereo either.

Amazon is most likely generalizing English and Japanese as two separate tracks, and probably aren't even considering the different BGM to qualify as a separate track.

And FUNimation has stated almost verbatim, "we don't know yet." Perhaps they're actually taking the time to decide why one should or should not be there?

I hope they hear my pleas then. I hope so badly they can have 3 audio tracks on there.

In the case of the Dragonboxes, people want basically what the Japanese got. They want the original prints, the true remastering progress, and the 6 episodes (7 for us) on disc with the Japanese Audio and BMG (Mono 1.0). Our wish was granted, but of course an English track would be nice (even if some don't like the dub). Remember this is the quintessential Dragonball Z set, and many people (Me being one of them) have a sound system and we want that full effect (getting the English 5.1 track). The way I see it, and I'm not technically smart with this remastering process, but the Season Sets were DVNR'd, and the quality suffered, resulting in a lower encoding. Therefor they were able to fit all 3 audio tracks in. With the DBoxes, the video is of high quality (due to frame-by-frame and readjusting) so the encoding will be higher. That being the case, the audio tracks (or video, it can be either or) will be that of or near the original Japanese Dragonbox.

That's my understanding, I'm a tech-junkie but not to the extent of knowing the deep innards of encoding. Please if someone can elaborate better or correct me with actual information. Please by all means say so.

[ect5150]

Exactly how? They were able to put 3 audios on their DBZ remastered widescreen boxsets? So why can't they do it with the Dragon Box sets?

It all comes down to a bitrate issue. People that don't want the extra audio tracks basically are making the argument that the bitrates should be maxed out for maximum quality. 7 eps per disc with 3 audio tracks does not achieve this goal.

Keep in mind that if the DBoxes are untouched, they will have more film grain compared to the Orange Season Sets. Grain retention will require a higher bitrate. On some scenes, even maxing the bitrate is barely enough (looking at the R2 releases), so we are hoping a newer/better encoding process can make up for it. But regardless of newer technology, throwing a higher bitrate at most any audio or video issue tends to solve the problem.

[ect5150]

In the case of the Dragonboxes, people want basically what the Japanese got. They want the original prints, the true remastering progress, and the 7 episodes on disc with the Japanese Audio and BMG (Mono 1.0).

Just an FYI since this is coming up again?

The Japanese releases had 6 eps per disc with the audio encoded at 448 kbits/sec. Not 7 eps per disc with 3 audio tracks.

[ShinRogafuken]

Oh yeah, that reminds me, FUNimation is still going with the 7-episodes-a-disc instead of 6, right? Meh. It'll be ok as long as there's 2 and not 3 audio tracks, I guess.