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Thanks for noting that, I meant 6. Silly me.ect5150 wrote:Just an FYI since this is coming up again?.:PoetikaL:. wrote:In the case of the Dragonboxes, people want basically what the Japanese got. They want the original prints, the true remastering progress, and the 7 episodes on disc with the Japanese Audio and BMG (Mono 1.0).
The Japanese releases had 6 eps per disc with the audio encoded at 448 kbits/sec. Not 7 eps per disc with 3 audio tracks.
.:PoetikaL:. wrote:In the case of the Dragonboxes, people want basically what the Japanese got. They want the original prints, the true remastering progress, and the 6 episodes (7 for us) on disc with the Japanese Audio and BMG (Mono 1.0). Our wish was granted, but of course an English track would be nice (even if some don't like the dub). Remember this is the quintessential Dragonball Z set, and many people (Me being one of them) have a sound system and we want that full effect (getting the English 5.1 track). The way I see it, and I'm not technically smart with this remastering process, but the Season Sets were DVNR'd, and the quality suffered, resulting in a lower encoding. Therefor they were able to fit all 3 audio tracks in. With the DBoxes, the video is of high quality (due to frame-by-frame and readjusting) so the encoding will be higher. That being the case, the audio tracks (or video, it can be either or) will be that of or near the original Japanese Dragonbox.
That's my understanding, I'm a tech-junkie but not to the extent of knowing the deep innards of encoding. Please if someone can elaborate better or correct me with actual information. Please by all means say so.
Hey, there is something I didn't know. The more grain there is, then the more bitrate is needed. Interesting, but the funny thing is I did look at the R2J source for DBZ. There was enough max bitrate left to have one or two audios added to the R2J source. Some where between 256k-320k (So you could split the audios bitrate between those two). While Keeping the R2J Dragonbox Japanese audio at 448k and keeping the video untouched.ect5150 wrote:It all comes down to a bitrate issue. People that don't want the extra audio tracks basically are making the argument that the bitrates should be maxed out for maximum quality. 7 eps per disc with 3 audio tracks does not achieve this goal.
Keep in mind that if the DBoxes are untouched, they will have more film grain compared to the Orange Season Sets. Grain retention will require a higher bitrate. On some scenes, even maxing the bitrate is barely enough (looking at the R2 releases), so we are hoping a newer/better encoding process can make up for it. But regardless of newer technology, throwing a higher bitrate at most any audio or video issue tends to solve the problem.
That is not an option. You deserve to watch your preference of audio on a nice remastered full screen source. It makes no sense to have two releases.LeprikanGT wrote:I REALLY want to buy this but if my personal preference of audio isnt on it...I think I may just still with the Brick Sets.
I'm not saying you should care. I'm just saying leave it in there for fans that do want that preference. I don't look at this as fans that are not hardcore or are hardcore. I just look at as, people that have different preferences. And they may want those certain options on their Dragon Box.Kendamu wrote:Some of us still don't think that the US broadcast audio should be on there. To some of us it represents the era when they didn't only not care about the hardcore fans, but FUNimation also went as far as to call the hardcore fans insulting names in interviews that surfaced during and shortly after Season 3.
Luckily, I only partially agree. The other part of me doesn't care because I trust the audio info in the podcast that followed the US Dragon Box announcement saying that three audio tracks would not compromise video quality. The DVDs default to Japanese, anyway. Why should I care about extra audio tracks that I won't ever touch?
It's a North American release. Yeah, he is taking it like an insult or something. That it is an insult that they have an English track on there.Ultimate DBZ wrote:Why is everyone complaining that FUNi might give us more than the DBOX. They have the Japanese version w/Subtitles, which you want, so why does it matter if it has English too? Thats like you wanted to buy 1 manga, but you got 2 enstead for the same price, and then complaining that you didn't want the second manga. If you want to watch the Japanese, watch it! But don't complain that they have English too, in adittion to what you want. You guys prefer Japanese, and some others prefer English. This way, everyone's happy.
That wasn't directed at anyone.SSVegetto wrote:I'm not saying you should care. I'm just saying leave it in there for fans that do want that preference. I don't look at this as fans that are not hardcore or are hardcore. I just look at as, people that have different preferences. And they may want those certain options on their Dragon Box.Kendamu wrote:Some of us still don't think that the US broadcast audio should be on there. To some of us it represents the era when they didn't only not care about the hardcore fans, but FUNimation also went as far as to call the hardcore fans insulting names in interviews that surfaced during and shortly after Season 3.
Luckily, I only partially agree. The other part of me doesn't care because I trust the audio info in the podcast that followed the US Dragon Box announcement saying that three audio tracks would not compromise video quality. The DVDs default to Japanese, anyway. Why should I care about extra audio tracks that I won't ever touch?
I wanted them to just treat Dragonball right for so long and now they... have. They're finally doing it right and now it's almost like meeting someone for the first time and shaking their hand. It's really kind of exciting. Not to sound like an ass, but many anime DVDs these days go without English dubs.Ultimate DBZ wrote:Guys, its an ENLGISH Realese. An ENGLISH video realese should have an ENLGISH Dub? If there was a French realese that I wanted, would I take it as an insult if they also had a French Dub, in addition to proper Japanese?
Because it's not the music in Dragon Ball Z. DBZ has big, dramatic orchestral music, not electronica music for mid-nineties video games.LeprikanGT wrote:I AM. I want the Funi Dub AND Faulconer music. Why would they have the video quality and then not have the soundtrack a lot of people would want to hear?
Kentai wrote:Son Gokuu is a fascinating character anyway, because he is - at face value, anyway - an idiot savant. The victim of violent head trauma as an infant [...] he's a simple bumpkin with a fair share of brain damage who's natural talents to work out what's wrong compensate for his broad lack of common sense. But he's also a fighter, through and through [...] he fight until he has, in no uncertain terms, beaten his enemy on terms they can both acknowledge. He doesn't want to kill anyone, or even prove that he can win... he just wants to know he can. He's an ineffably charming bastard who's manly leanings were really incendental, and yes, the fact that he was voiced by a squeaky woman made the combination perhaps all the more charming.
That's typical American arrogance.LeprikanGT wrote:In America, Faulconer IS the music of DBZ.
I've got the season sets and I've listened to ALL three tracks.
I know about all three, and I prefer the American voises AND the American music.
They should add it in, if this is to be the BEST out there; so it covers all the bases.
Kentai wrote:Son Gokuu is a fascinating character anyway, because he is - at face value, anyway - an idiot savant. The victim of violent head trauma as an infant [...] he's a simple bumpkin with a fair share of brain damage who's natural talents to work out what's wrong compensate for his broad lack of common sense. But he's also a fighter, through and through [...] he fight until he has, in no uncertain terms, beaten his enemy on terms they can both acknowledge. He doesn't want to kill anyone, or even prove that he can win... he just wants to know he can. He's an ineffably charming bastard who's manly leanings were really incendental, and yes, the fact that he was voiced by a squeaky woman made the combination perhaps all the more charming.
