Official On-Going DBZ 2013 Movie Thread: "Battle of Gods"

[NeoKING]

It was what Toriyama said, DBO continued to manga. And if a story continues from another story, are the same story, of course. Officially DBO and DB manga are the same story. And DB (manga) and DB (anime, including DB, DBZ and DBGT) aren´t the same story, have tangible differences between them.

Obviously it continued the manga, do you see the story for that game? It's meant to take years after the main events. Toriyama saying that is equivalent to him saying "This is an online computer game." It's just obvious information.

However, what Toriyama didn't say, is "This is the official sequel to my original manga and should be regarded as such." He didn't even give it the GT / movies treatment and say, "These should be considered side-stories to my original manga."

[HECTOR4]

It was what Toriyama said, DBO continued to manga. And if a story continues from another story, are the same story, of course. Officially DBO and DB manga are the same story. And DB (manga) and DB (anime, including DB, DBZ and DBGT) aren´t the same story, have tangible differences between them.

Obviously it continued the manga, do you see the story for that game? It's meant to take years after the main events. Toriyama saying that is equivalent to him saying "This is an online computer game." It's just obvious information.

However, what Toriyama didn't say, is "This is the official sequel to my original manga and should be regarded as such." He didn't even give it the GT / movies treatment and say, "These should be considered side-stories to my original manga."

Toriyama said DBO is the continuation of the manga, that only means one thing: the two are the same story. Toriyama is saying they are the same story, and therefore is the official sequel. When an official product continues to another, both are part of the same story, and both are the original story, while the author does not say otherwise.

However DB manga and DB anime can not be the same story in any way. There are many differences, for example between the manga and DBZ. Different events happen between one story and another. I repit: DB (manga) and DB (anime) aren´t the same story. Anime is based on the manga, are very similar in the overall plot, but they have many differences and different facts.

Sorry for my bad english ^^

[JulieYBM]

Dragon Ball Online being a sequel to the comic affects only Dragon Ball Online. Not the comic and not other sequels to the story, like Dragon Ball GT. It doesn't have to be one or the other, folks. It's not a big puzzle, it's far more simple then you're allowing yourselves to see it as.

[JeffJarrett]

And for the love of God, can we please, please, please stop saying that Dragon Ball Online is the official sequel to Akira Toriyama's original manga? Because it fucking isn't. It's heavily based on the manga in the same vein Super Dragon Ball Z is and no more. Dragon Ball Online gets "less exposure" than GT, because everything in Dragon Ball Online only appears in Dragon Ball Online. At least GT gets manga exposure via the Victory Mission manga.

It was what Toriyama said, DBO continued to manga. And if a story continues from another story, are the same story, logically. Officially DBO and DB manga are the same story. And DB (manga) and DB (anime, including DB, DBZ and DBGT) aren´t the same story, have tangible differences between them.

For Japanese, paper manga and anime are the same thing. Continuing the manga, means continuing the Dragon Ball franchise. Setting the game so that it continues the DB story was also for marketing: it really continues the story since it takes place two hundred years after Z and GT (and 100yrs after A Hero's Legacy), but the character travel in time the revive the epic battles of the series. Dragon Ball Heroes allows the same thing without saying it continues the DB story, yet (the ??? in the DBHUM timeline might suggest DBH also takes place after Z and GT).

[Shineman]

It was what Toriyama said, DBO continued to manga. And if a story continues from another story, are the same story, of course. Officially DBO and DB manga are the same story. And DB (manga) and DB (anime, including DB, DBZ and DBGT) aren´t the same story, have tangible differences between them.

Obviously it continued the manga, do you see the story for that game? It's meant to take years after the main events. Toriyama saying that is equivalent to him saying "This is an online computer game." It's just obvious information.

However, what Toriyama didn't say, is "This is the official sequel to my original manga and should be regarded as such." He didn't even give it the GT / movies treatment and say, "These should be considered side-stories to my original manga."

Toriyama said DBO is the continuation of the manga, that only means one thing: the two are the same story. Toriyama is saying they are the same story, and therefore is the official sequel. When an official product continues to another, both are part of the same story, and both are the original story, while the author does not say otherwise.

However DB manga and DB anime can not be the same story in any way. There are many differences, for example between the manga and DBZ. Different events happen between one story and another. I repit: DB (manga) and DB (anime) aren´t the same story. Anime is based on the manga, are very similar in the overall plot, but they have many differences and different facts.

Sorry for my bad english ^^

Dragon Ball Online does, indeed continue the story of the manga, but it doesn’t warrant that it’s the true sequel to the manga. It’s takes elements from the manga; however, it only affects Online, neither the manga nor Dragon Ball GT. It’s only continues the franchise much like Dragon Ball Heroes does in its own interesting way (Still waiting for SSj Pan and Bra, DIMPS). Another thing, I could've sworn I read somewhere that the reason why DBO only takes elements from the manga is because they don't have the rights to the anime, thus can only use things from the manga, and the reason for creation of different new design of Yadartians.

Galaxy being wiped out? Oh man, I can imagine many people using that to overpower Dragon Ball Universe. Not saying it’s a bad thing, and certainly a huge jump in power if it actually true.

[TheDevilsCorpse]

Yeah, I'm not sure how true that is, but for the sake of DBO, that's not exactly the case. The game developers only obtained the rights to the manga, not the anime, so they are viewed as separate in this instance. So, even though they tried to obtain the anime license so they could include content from filler, the movies and GT if they wanted, they were forced to disregard it all. That seems to be the main reason why the game doesn't "take place after GT" and continue the established main timeline, and is instead an alternate one with some changes.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

Dragon Ball Online being a sequel to the comic affects only Dragon Ball Online. Not the comic and not other sequels to the story, like Dragon Ball GT. It doesn't have to be one or the other, folks. It's not a big puzzle, it's far more simple then you're allowing yourselves to see it as.

But it's impossible for DBO to happen after GT. In DBO, Piccolo is still alive, while he dies in GT, and Majin Boo never merged with Oob in DBO, like in GT. Instead, Boo expelled a woman version of himself (like he expelled Pure Evil Boo), named Booby, and then they made a family with lots of children, creating the Majin race. However, after having so many children, Boo's lifespan was shortened, and eventually he passed away.

[Darknat]

My theory for this movie is that Goku did screw up when he killed Freeza. The premise says that creation and destruction are needed to maintain balance, and when Goku defeated Freeza he disturbed that balance in the universe. They became stronger and stronger almost godlike in power (not even the Kaioshin are their equal). Thus the God of Destruction is the one that has to put things right by destroying the planet that has caused that unbalance.

Think of it as Freeza being a needed predator in an enviroment. When he was killed, the other species did not have any other natural predator so they thrive, and the balance was upset.


I hope other characters besides Saiyans get their time to do something in the movie. I also hope that the Genkidama is not used at the ending. I won't mind if it's used and fails. That would be a good thing in my opinion.

[TheDevilsCorpse]

Instead, Boo expelled a woman version of himself (like he expelled Pure Evil Boo), named Booby

You'll find out in a day or two (hopefully) when I post the Korean translated DBO timeline, but that's no longer correct. Her name is just taken to be Missus Buu, the "booby" is apparently supposed to be something else entirely.

Anyway, back on topic...since he challenges him, who wants to see Satan actually fight Bils?

[DBZGTKOSDH]

Instead, Boo expelled a woman version of himself (like he expelled Pure Evil Boo), named Booby

You'll find out in a day or two (hopefully) when I post the Korean translated DBO timeline, but that's no longer correct. Her name is just taken to be Missus Buu, the "booby" is apparently supposed to be something else entirely.

What about the rest of the backstory?

[TheDevilsCorpse]

Don't worry, the rest of the Majin backstory is the same. Just some slight terminology/name mix-ups. lol

At least according to the timeline anyway. She hasn't/isn't translating all of the guidebook's wall-o-text pages...yet. She's going to do the ones that weren't done by Amaranth Sparrow (containing the Time Lord(s) stuff), but maybe I can plead/bribe her to do the others for consistency's sake once vacation rolls around.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

Don't worry, the rest of the Majin backstory is the same. Just some slight terminology/name mix-ups. lol

At least according to the timeline anyway. She hasn't/isn't translating all of the guidebook's wall-o-text pages...yet. She's going to do the ones that weren't done by Amaranth Sparrow (containing the Time Lord(s) stuff), but maybe I can plead/bribe her to do the others for consistency's sake once vacation rolls around.

Cool.

[JulieYBM]

Dragon Ball Online being a sequel to the comic affects only Dragon Ball Online. Not the comic and not other sequels to the story, like Dragon Ball GT. It doesn't have to be one or the other, folks. It's not a big puzzle, it's far more simple then you're allowing yourselves to see it as.

But it's impossible for DBO to happen after GT. In DBO, Piccolo is still alive, while he dies in GT, and Majin Boo never merged with Oob in DBO, like in GT. Instead, Boo expelled a woman version of himself (like he expelled Pure Evil Boo), named Booby, and then they made a family with lots of children, creating the Majin race. However, after having so many children, Boo's lifespan was shortened, and eventually he passed away.

Everything happens where everything happens. Dragon Ball Online doesn't suddenly affect Dragon Ball GT in anyway.

[Hellspawn28]

I think a movie based after GT would be awesome, to be honest.

That would be cool but it will likely never happen. GT had low ratings back in 1997 and I'm pretty sure the toy merchandise were likely poor as well. GT was never that popular in Japan and I doubt a film set in the GT universe would do well. It seems like the DB/Z anime and the manga are much more popular.

[NeoKING]

I think a movie based after GT would be awesome, to be honest.

That would be cool but it will likely never happen. GT had low ratings back in 1997 and I'm pretty sure the toy merchandise were likely poor as well. GT was never that popular in Japan and I doubt a film set in the GT universe would do well. It seems like the DB/Z anime and the manga are much more popular.

A GT manga would be more likely, actually. If I recall, G Gundam got a manga in like, '06 or later and the anime itself came out in the 90's. I dunno how good the ratings were, and this is a Gundam series we're talking about, but I'd say it's possible.

[bleed0range]

My opinion on the dbo stuff is not to take it too seriously. Because although it is written up by toriyama... all the race stuff incorporated into makes it obvious it was written for a video game that needed different race options. If he had done this as a manga then I'm sure it would be done differently.

[Gyt Kaliba]

Glad to hear that Minaguchi is likely returning, that's great news!

[TheMightyOzaru]

I would not like them to disregard GT. It exists and should be dealt with. Just because people hate it doesn't mean it should be ignored. I treat GT as the final climax of the entire Dragon Ball story and it's ok if others don't. That's just my view on this. But creating a new story now officially and simply tossing GT into the trashcan and "overwriting" it would be harsh for me.

It's kind of already been retconned by the Dragon Ball Online timeline. Toriyama was more involved with that and it ignores the GT continuity so they are going to ignore it. I also don't see why they wouldn't ignore it. It's considered by many to be a complete fail and for good reason. Dragon Ball GT is practically the Sonic the Hedgehog 2006 for Toei. It was one of those things that could have been good but it turned out so bad it's kind of embarrasing that Toei made this just like it's embarrasing for Sega to have made Sonic 06.

[AnimeMaakuo]

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[VegettoEX]

DBGT can't be too embarrassing for them. The Dragon Box release for it sold pretty darn well (twice the number of pre-orders they expected) and they're more than happy to exploit its characters for past and current video games.