The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

[Mystic Gohan]

Agreed, Uub only powered up after Goku pissed him off. But i do still believe that Goku ~ SSJ3 Goku (Buu Saga). Even after Uub powers up and attacks them, Goku still handles his punches pretty well and he isn't particularly worried (Though one could argue, its because he can whip out SSJ/2/3 anytime), but he stays in base anyway.

[hleV]

Agreed, Uub only powered up after Goku pissed him off. But i do still believe that Goku ~ SSJ3 Goku (Buu Saga). Even after Uub powers up and attacks them, Goku still handles his punches pretty well and he isn't particularly worried (Though one could argue, its because he can whip out SSJ/2/3 anytime), but he stays in base anyway.

Oob didn't attack Goku after powering up. His power-up simply pushed Goku away. There's absolutely nothing showing that Goku could fight the powered-up Oob without transforming.

[Mystic Gohan]

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Uub does fight Goku and while he does have the advantage, Goku isn't getting pounded.

[hleV]

1. Goku & Oob enter the arena;
2. Goku insults Oob;
3. Goku kicks Oob in the face, Oob gets angry;
4. Oob attacks, Goku blocks Oob's kick with hand, Goku's hand hurts, Goku dodges Oob's punch;
5. Goku & Oob fight for a bit;
6. Oob powers up, Goku gets pushed back, Goku floats in the air, Oob is surprised;
7. Goku admits that Oob has met his expectations;
8. Goku & Oob fly away.

Goku didn't fight the powered-up Oob.

[Kaboom]

Yeah, the fight was very short in the manga, and we really only got an abrupt and quick taste of Oob's potential out of it. Even if Oob topped out at Pure Boo's level of power, by that point Goku was entirely on the defensive and pretty much helpless against that final kiai. So no, even if Oob hit that level, it doesn't necessarily mean base Goku is already that strong, too.

Besides... if Goku's already that powerful in just his base form, I doubt he'd be so excited about someone he can drop instantly and effortlessly at just Super Saiyan 1.

[Mystic Gohan]

Well my link got taken down for whatever reason, but Goku being on the defense doesn't mean he is multi-folds weaker. Base Trunks was on the defense against Android 18, yet most agree he is on par with Android 18, because he isn't getting beaten up nor is he worried.

[hleV]

Base Trunks was on the defense against Android 18, yet most agree he is on par with Android 18, because he isn't getting beaten up nor is he worried.

I'm pretty sure that most people disagree with base Trunks being on par with #18. Me included.

[Mystic Gohan]

That's fine, even him being a bit below is fine by me really. He did hold his own and Android 18 did not demolish him.

[hleV]

That's fine, even him being a bit below is fine by me really. He did hold his own and Android 18 did not demolish him.

#18 wouldn't go all out against someone she expects to be a normal human. It's really been discussed numerous times...

[Fox666]

Oob powers up, Goku gets pushed back, Goku floats in the air, Oob is surprised;

According to the Daizenshuu Uub used a Kiai here.

[Mystic Gohan]

That's fine, even him being a bit below is fine by me really. He did hold his own and Android 18 did not demolish him.

#18 wouldn't go all out against someone she expects to be a normal human. It's really been discussed numerous times...

She calls Mighty Mask a tough opponent. Does that seem like the kind of person you hold back on?

[hleV]

She calls Mighty Mask a tough opponent. Does that seem like the kind of person you hold back on?

From Strength Checker:

Chapter: 452 (DBZ 258), P12.2
Context: talking about the two disguised as Mighty Mask
No.18: “…That weird long-torso freak isn’t anyone ordinary…His small arms had surprisingly powerful punches.”

Chapter: 453 (DBZ 259), P8.4, P9.1-7
Context: as Trunks and Goten fight No.18 in their Mighty Mask costume
Trunks: “Da-dammit! We can’t win like this!”
Goten: “Let’s turn into Super Saiyans, Trunks!”
Trunks: “That's it! We’ve got this thing on, so she won’t be able to tell who we are…Alright! Shall we turn into [Super Saiyans]?”
Goten: “Yeah!”
No.18: “…He really is a weird bastard…His arms and legs are extremely small for his body…And he’s so unusually strong…”
*they become Super Saiyans*
No.18: “!!”
Trunks: “Either way, we’re at a disadvantage in this getup, so we’ve got no choice but to settle this with a kiai cannon!”
Goten: “Eh! But will she be alright?...”
Trunks: “Don’t worry, she won’t die if we do it appropriately. She’s No.18…”

#18 didn't call Mighty Mask a "tough opponent". At least not in the sense that he'd be dangerous to her.

[Mystic Gohan]

That quote right there is perfect actually. Trunks or Goten says "We can't win like this", because of there might mask costume. What does that imply if they didn't have the costume on?

[DBZGTKOSDH]

Oob powers up, Goku gets pushed back, Goku floats in the air, Oob is surprised;

According to the Daizenshuu Uub used a Kiai here.

Maybe he unleashed his true power through a Kiai? Note that his eyes turned red.

[mattymoron]

Why are we assuming that as a relatively untrained child that Oob could access all of his potential power? That seems rather...dense.

[Mystic Gohan]

A relatively untrained newborn Piccolo Jr retained all his memories and power of his father. Why is it such a big deal, that kids are so strong? Gohan surpasses his father when he is 4.

[mattymoron]

A relatively untrained newborn Piccolo Jr retained all his memories and power of his father. Why is it such a big deal, that kids are so strong? Gohan surpasses his father when he is 4.

I mean. No. Is there any proof of that at all? Memories, sure, but I don't think he was as powerful as Daimao right out of the egg.

[Super Saiyan Turlast x4]

While Kami was telling Goku about Piccolo Jr being produced by Daimao before exploding, he says Piccolo Jr had more power than Daimao, and urged Goku to stay on the lookout to train and avoid him. Perhaps he had to train to fully utilize these abilities, but based on what Kami says, he's superior to Daimao from the beginning.

[Kaboom]

We could very much be talking about a dormant/latent power thing here, much like with li'l Gohan compared to Goku. Wherein the power is "already there," but needs something for it to be brought out.

[Mystic Gohan]

We could very much be talking about a dormant/latent power thing here, much like with li'l Gohan compared to Goku. Wherein the power is "already there," but needs something for it to be brought out.

That would be taking it out of context. If Kami says he is stronger, who are we to doubt him?