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"Dragon Ball Super" Series Official Announcement & Discussion Thread
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The whole team should use the room of spirit and time ASAP, any couple of minutes they are not in the room is a day of training wasted. Besides, they could get to know each others tricks and train to fight as a group of 10, which is a completely new experience for everybody involved. But that would be a practical decision. They rather go with: "We tell nobody about the gravity of the situation, because that's the only way we can reasonably have every member decline first, so we can make up some recruitment story."emperior wrote:Do you guys think Piccolo and Gohan should use the room of space and time for their training? I can't see how Gohan can get fit again in just 37 hours.
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According how exactly? Going going SSGSS doesn't mean anything in relation to who he uses it against, SSGSS has no cap it is a form all about Ki control and we know from his fight with Beerus he was able to control the power of SSG, & we know Goku has become a lot better at mastering it with the fact he was able to use regular Kaioken twice in a short amount of time, and Krillin not only was losing the beam struggle but once 18 intervened he was shaking like a leaf, and the 17 episode hasn't even aired yet but we know Goku wins form the spoilers so he is not "struggling".Noah wrote: Well, acording to recent episodes and previews SSJB tier is a power anyone can reach if they train off-screen, so don't be surprised with SSJB Goku struggling with Roshi and Tien In the next episodes
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The fact Goku needs to use it at all against Krillin and 17 is ridiculous. Krillin should still be a total scrub to him in Base and 17 shouldn't need more than Super Saiyan regular. Seriously, this whole concept of characters powering up to their max then dropping down to levels their freaking BASE forms can cover is much like Kevin Smith's continued popularity: beyond my ability to fathom.Baggie_Saiyan wrote:According how exactly? Going going SSGSS doesn't mean anything in relation to who he uses it against, SSGSS has no cap it is a form all about Ki control and we know from his fight with Beerus he was able to control the power of SSG, & we know Goku has become a lot better at mastering it with the fact he was able to use regular Kaioken twice in a short amount of time, and Krillin not only was losing the beam struggle but once 18 intervened he was shaking like a leaf, and the 17 episode hasn't even aired yet but we know Goku wins form the spoilers so he is not "struggling".Noah wrote: Well, acording to recent episodes and previews SSJB tier is a power anyone can reach if they train off-screen, so don't be surprised with SSJB Goku struggling with Roshi and Tien In the next episodes
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He didn't need it against Krillin, that was not the whole point he used it. It was to intimidate him, test his resolve "What will you do now Krillin", Goku knows he can't sense his Ki like normal in that form but can feel the pressure, Krillin didn't back down hence why Goku was satisfied and didn't continue the fight.ekrolo2 wrote:The fact Goku needs to use it at all against Krillin and 17 is ridiculous. Krillin should still be a total scrub to him in Base and 17 shouldn't need more than Super Saiyan regular. Seriously, this whole concept of characters powering up to their max then dropping down to levels their freaking BASE forms can cover is much like Kevin Smith's continued popularity: beyond my ability to fathom.Baggie_Saiyan wrote:According how exactly? Going going SSGSS doesn't mean anything in relation to who he uses it against, SSGSS has no cap it is a form all about Ki control and we know from his fight with Beerus he was able to control the power of SSG, & we know Goku has become a lot better at mastering it with the fact he was able to use regular Kaioken twice in a short amount of time, and Krillin not only was losing the beam struggle but once 18 intervened he was shaking like a leaf, and the 17 episode hasn't even aired yet but we know Goku wins form the spoilers so he is not "struggling".Noah wrote: Well, acording to recent episodes and previews SSJB tier is a power anyone can reach if they train off-screen, so don't be surprised with SSJB Goku struggling with Roshi and Tien In the next episodes
And the 17 episode has not aired we have no context.
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It has been explained why Goku went ssb against Krillin, its kinda dumb, but at least they gave a reason for that.ekrolo2 wrote:The fact Goku needs to use it at all against Krillin and 17 is ridiculous. Krillin should still be a total scrub to him in Base and 17 shouldn't need more than Super Saiyan regular. Seriously, this whole concept of characters powering up to their max then dropping down to levels their freaking BASE forms can cover is much like Kevin Smith's continued popularity: beyond my ability to fathom.Baggie_Saiyan wrote:According how exactly? Going going SSGSS doesn't mean anything in relation to who he uses it against, SSGSS has no cap it is a form all about Ki control and we know from his fight with Beerus he was able to control the power of SSG, & we know Goku has become a lot better at mastering it with the fact he was able to use regular Kaioken twice in a short amount of time, and Krillin not only was losing the beam struggle but once 18 intervened he was shaking like a leaf, and the 17 episode hasn't even aired yet but we know Goku wins form the spoilers so he is not "struggling".Noah wrote: Well, acording to recent episodes and previews SSJB tier is a power anyone can reach if they train off-screen, so don't be surprised with SSJB Goku struggling with Roshi and Tien In the next episodes
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I don't see how it is dumb at all, there are gonna be 80 fighters there with unknown strength, Goku had to know about Krillin's resolve and whether he would be up for the challenge or cower in adversity.zamasu121 wrote:It has been explained why Goku went ssb against Krillin, its kinda dumb, but at least they gave a reason for that.ekrolo2 wrote:The fact Goku needs to use it at all against Krillin and 17 is ridiculous. Krillin should still be a total scrub to him in Base and 17 shouldn't need more than Super Saiyan regular. Seriously, this whole concept of characters powering up to their max then dropping down to levels their freaking BASE forms can cover is much like Kevin Smith's continued popularity: beyond my ability to fathom.Baggie_Saiyan wrote: According how exactly? Going going SSGSS doesn't mean anything in relation to who he uses it against, SSGSS has no cap it is a form all about Ki control and we know from his fight with Beerus he was able to control the power of SSG, & we know Goku has become a lot better at mastering it with the fact he was able to use regular Kaioken twice in a short amount of time, and Krillin not only was losing the beam struggle but once 18 intervened he was shaking like a leaf, and the 17 episode hasn't even aired yet but we know Goku wins form the spoilers so he is not "struggling".
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Considering the fact we already had a Krillin two-parter specifically about him getting his fighting spirit back, it's really dumb to act like Krillin has borderline PTSD like in the F arc and isn't brave enough to man up and face something Goku wants him to.Baggie_Saiyan wrote:I don't see how it is dumb at all, there are gonna be 80 fighters there with unknown strength, Goku had to know about Krillin's resolve and whether he would be up for the challenge or cower in adversity.zamasu121 wrote:It has been explained why Goku went ssb against Krillin, its kinda dumb, but at least they gave a reason for that.ekrolo2 wrote: The fact Goku needs to use it at all against Krillin and 17 is ridiculous. Krillin should still be a total scrub to him in Base and 17 shouldn't need more than Super Saiyan regular. Seriously, this whole concept of characters powering up to their max then dropping down to levels their freaking BASE forms can cover is much like Kevin Smith's continued popularity: beyond my ability to fathom.
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they could have easily swapped ssb with any of the super saiyan forms.Baggie_Saiyan wrote:I don't see how it is dumb at all, there are gonna be 80 fighters there with unknown strength, Goku had to know about Krillin's resolve and whether he would be up for the challenge or cower in adversity.zamasu121 wrote:It has been explained why Goku went ssb against Krillin, its kinda dumb, but at least they gave a reason for that.ekrolo2 wrote: The fact Goku needs to use it at all against Krillin and 17 is ridiculous. Krillin should still be a total scrub to him in Base and 17 shouldn't need more than Super Saiyan regular. Seriously, this whole concept of characters powering up to their max then dropping down to levels their freaking BASE forms can cover is much like Kevin Smith's continued popularity: beyond my ability to fathom.
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Not really because knows that SSGSS is Goku at his strongest going any other would defeat the whole purpose especially since he can't sense SSGSS ki which adds more to the intimidation.zamasu121 wrote:they could have easily swapped ssb with any of the super saiyan forms.Baggie_Saiyan wrote:I don't see how it is dumb at all, there are gonna be 80 fighters there with unknown strength, Goku had to know about Krillin's resolve and whether he would be up for the challenge or cower in adversity.zamasu121 wrote:
It has been explained why Goku went ssb against Krillin, its kinda dumb, but at least they gave a reason for that.
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I think I'm gonna be cutting back on the threads I follow for a while or I may even take a few days off from the site unless new info comes.
This same debate is polluting a lot of threads and I am sick and tired of looking at it. I've heard all the points, said my peace and I'm now so bored of the same words from both sides over and over and over and over. I'm so bored that if I was a god of Destruction, I'd have blown the planet up because this debate/argument has bored me so much.
I'll be around a bit but I'm taking a less active role until you lot get this out of your collective systems.
This same debate is polluting a lot of threads and I am sick and tired of looking at it. I've heard all the points, said my peace and I'm now so bored of the same words from both sides over and over and over and over. I'm so bored that if I was a god of Destruction, I'd have blown the planet up because this debate/argument has bored me so much.
I'll be around a bit but I'm taking a less active role until you lot get this out of your collective systems.
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I guarantee you, when you come back, there would be a new argument of this kind running in every thread for days..Lord Frieza wrote:I think I'm gonna be cutting back on the threads I follow for a while or I may even take a few days off from the site unless new info comes.
This same debate is polluting a lot of threads and I am sick and tired of looking at it. I've heard all the points, said my peace and I'm now so bored of the same words from both sides over and over and over and over. I'm so bored that if I was a god of Destruction, I'd have blown the planet up because this debate/argument has bored me so much.
I'll be around a bit but I'm taking a less active role until you lot get this out of your collective systems.
It happens all the time, blowing everything out of proportion and some people taking everything literally is a common occurrence for quite a while..
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Blowing everything out of proportions is what this fanbase is all about.Ki Breaker wrote:I guarantee you, when you come back, there would be a new argument of this kind running in every thread for days..Lord Frieza wrote:I think I'm gonna be cutting back on the threads I follow for a while or I may even take a few days off from the site unless new info comes.
This same debate is polluting a lot of threads and I am sick and tired of looking at it. I've heard all the points, said my peace and I'm now so bored of the same words from both sides over and over and over and over. I'm so bored that if I was a god of Destruction, I'd have blown the planet up because this debate/argument has bored me so much.
I'll be around a bit but I'm taking a less active role until you lot get this out of your collective systems.
It happens all the time, blowing everything out of proportion and some people taking everything literally is a common occurrence for quite a while..
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New I can deal with, my problem is that normally by the time the next episode come round its died down. Not gone away because people still feel the same but normally we've all said are piece and moved on. But this one looks like its gonna take another week or more to run its course.Ki Breaker wrote:I guarantee you, when you come back, there would be a new argument of this kind running in every thread for days..Lord Frieza wrote:I think I'm gonna be cutting back on the threads I follow for a while or I may even take a few days off from the site unless new info comes.
This same debate is polluting a lot of threads and I am sick and tired of looking at it. I've heard all the points, said my peace and I'm now so bored of the same words from both sides over and over and over and over. I'm so bored that if I was a god of Destruction, I'd have blown the planet up because this debate/argument has bored me so much.
I'll be around a bit but I'm taking a less active role until you lot get this out of your collective systems.
It happens all the time, blowing everything out of proportion and some people taking everything literally is a common occurrence for quite a while..
So until I'm gonna do the one thing Super and even GT never made me do, I'm gonna stop watching. See you guys in a week or so unless something comes up. Stay safe and keep loving dragon ball.
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Yeah I am right with you on that. Though I argued this enough as is and don't really want to have to do it again. I get what they were trying to do, and I don't like it. Simple as that for me at least. Though really there's a lot I find hard to fathom upon growing up during the drought of Dragon Ball content.ekrolo2 wrote:The fact Goku needs to use it at all against Krillin and 17 is ridiculous. Krillin should still be a total scrub to him in Base and 17 shouldn't need more than Super Saiyan regular. Seriously, this whole concept of characters powering up to their max then dropping down to levels their freaking BASE forms can cover is much like Kevin Smith's continued popularity: beyond my ability to fathom.
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Goku wanted make sure the the dude isn't going to crap himself when he has to face guys around goku's level.ekrolo2 wrote:Considering the fact we already had a Krillin two-parter specifically about him getting his fighting spirit back, it's really dumb to act like Krillin has borderline PTSD like in the F arc and isn't brave enough to man up and face something Goku wants him to.Baggie_Saiyan wrote:I don't see how it is dumb at all, there are gonna be 80 fighters there with unknown strength, Goku had to know about Krillin's resolve and whether he would be up for the challenge or cower in adversity.zamasu121 wrote:
It has been explained why Goku went ssb against Krillin, its kinda dumb, but at least they gave a reason for that.
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We just had a two parterr about Krillins bravery in the face of adversity, it's not my problem this show hates it's own continuity.pacz360 wrote:Goku wanted make sure the the dude isn't going to crap himself when he has to face guys around goku's level.ekrolo2 wrote:Considering the fact we already had a Krillin two-parter specifically about him getting his fighting spirit back, it's really dumb to act like Krillin has borderline PTSD like in the F arc and isn't brave enough to man up and face something Goku wants him to.Baggie_Saiyan wrote: I don't see how it is dumb at all, there are gonna be 80 fighters there with unknown strength, Goku had to know about Krillin's resolve and whether he would be up for the challenge or cower in adversity.
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It's also not our problem you don't spend two minutes thinking about what the episode was establishing, is it?ekrolo2 wrote:We just had a two parterr about Krillins bravery in the face of adversity, it's not my problem this show hates it's own continuity.
You don't need to like him using Blue but at least try understanding why. Isn't it time to move on?
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And that's why Krillin didn't shit himself like he would have done 10 episodes ago. Goku wanted to confirm that Krillin could keep his shit together, and he did.ekrolo2 wrote: We just had a two parterr about Krillins bravery in the face of adversity, it's not my problem this show hates it's own continuity.
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Can we expect the Tournament Of Power to start in middle May?