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Post by Thanos » Mon Aug 26, 2013 9:23 am

dbboxkaifan wrote:It's unbelievable how this game has been in production since 2011 and it's still a pile of garbage (looking at the recent gameplay footage) not even Spike games are this bad. I used to support this game thinking it was going to be a home console version of Zenkai Battle Royale obviously that was an illusion.

Namco Bandai just needs to port Tenkaichi Tag Team as a downloadable arcade game on XBL/PSN because judging by the gameplay of both, TTT's better for sure, but I doubt that NB will do this
Unless you've managed to travel in time to 2014 when the game has been finished and actually played it, try saving yourself the embarrassment of prejudging the beta version of a game that you have not even seen in person, much less played.

I don't know how you can possibly gauge the gameplay without knowing the buttons, what they do, how combos work, how specials work, etc.
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Post by dbboxkaifan » Mon Aug 26, 2013 11:08 am

So we're going back to the "you haven't played the game so you can't judge" well, the gameplay footage is out there and if the gameplay was great then it'd be guaranteed to be a great game thing which it certainly doesn't look like. You can tell when a game's good and bad judging by its footage.

2014? So developing it for three years isn't enough they need another? Geez. Just give it back to Spike since it's more or less the same with the exception 4/8 players in the battle arena. Tag Team was aiming for this kind of game so this isn't anything new or ground-breaking.

Super Smash Bros. 4, Mario Kart 8, Sonic Lost World, Super Mario 3D World, Gran Turismo 6, TMNT Out of the Shadows, Watch Dogs, Pacman Ghostly Adventures, Hot Wheels World's Best Driver, Batman Arkham Origins and other games simply by their gameplay videos were proven to have an great gameplay value so why the hell should this game be forgiven? It shouldn't and won't.
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Post by Captain-Sora » Mon Aug 26, 2013 12:16 pm

dbboxkaifan wrote:So we're going back to the "you haven't played the game so you can't judge" well, the gameplay footage is out there and if the gameplay was great then it'd be guaranteed to be a great game thing which it certainly doesn't look like. You can tell when a game's good and bad judging by its footage.

2014? So developing it for three years isn't enough they need another? Geez. Just give it back to Spike since it's more or less the same with the exception 4/8 players in the battle arena. Tag Team was aiming for this kind of game so this isn't anything new or ground-breaking.

Super Smash Bros. 4, Mario Kart 8, Sonic Lost World, Super Mario 3D World, Gran Turismo 6, TMNT Out of the Shadows, Watch Dogs, Pacman Ghostly Adventures, Hot Wheels World's Best Driver, Batman Arkham Origins and other games simply by their gameplay videos were proven to have an great gameplay value so why the hell should this game be forgiven? It shouldn't and won't.
It's a bit of a different situation regarding fighters, though. The games you listed are from other various genres that are more easy to get an impression of from a video since you can pretty much get the gist of the overall gameplay just from watching a person progress through a section, as well as being wowed by other features that are integral to the game or pop up during a stage.

Unless the game being shown is blatantly abysmal and unrefined, fighting games on the other hand are a little big more difficult to judge just by watching alone, especially with liscensed games based on anime, which are more simple and often don't punish you for not understanding the fundamentals and using all the tools in your arsenal unless you're playing on a high difficulty. Depending on what the player does, you may not actually get to see the real meat of the game come into play if all they do is mindlessly screw around and mash buttons for the same basic string or move. If your first taste of a Budokai Tenkaichi installment was a video of someone just dashing all over the stage and only dishing out basic moves(that aren't even strings and combos), you'd probably feel the same as you did when you saw that BoZ Freeza battle clip where the player was pretty much doing the same thing.

Going by the very few videos we've seen so far of the game, it's pretty foolish to outright claim the game sucks and is worse than another installment seeing as said videos haven't really displayed any actual flaws or broken gameplay as of yet. Maybe lacking some flash and superficial things like certain alternate costumes, but there hasn't been anything fundamentally wrong.

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Post by JeffJarrett » Mon Aug 26, 2013 1:12 pm

mysticboy wrote:
dbboxkaifan wrote:Battle of Z: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NTOsdoTsLdM
Don't be so hard on it. The person playing clearly sucks major hippo ass.
The game hasn't been released yet, so the person playing is probably a member of the development team. And if one of the game developers can't show the best this game, I don't think regular players like us can do better.

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Post by DBZGTKOSDH » Mon Aug 26, 2013 1:56 pm

Nightstar1994 wrote:Better camera and more DBZ feeling.

It just seems more appealing.
Look the complains about the roster of BoZ... And as for the camera & DBZ feeling, I don't see anything very different from other games.
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Post by TheDevilsCorpse » Mon Aug 26, 2013 2:11 pm

JeffJarrett wrote:And if one of the game developers can't show the best this game, I don't think regular players like us can do better.
Almost all the high caliber gameplay videos I see of any game almost exclusively come from the fans who learn them inside and out; effectively making the developers and testers look like novices.
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Post by Avenged » Mon Aug 26, 2013 2:51 pm

JeffJarrett wrote:
mysticboy wrote:
dbboxkaifan wrote:Battle of Z: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NTOsdoTsLdM
Don't be so hard on it. The person playing clearly sucks major hippo ass.
The game hasn't been released yet, so the person playing is probably a member of the development team. And if one of the game developers can't show the best this game, I don't think regular players like us can do better.
That is not a valid assumption. Even creators such as Shigeru Miyamoto suck at their own games. I recall several times when Miyamoto forgot how to do something in a Zelda game he created.
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Post by SparkyPantsMcGee » Mon Aug 26, 2013 3:23 pm

dbboxkaifan wrote: Super Smash Bros. 4, Mario Kart 8, Sonic Lost World, Super Mario 3D World, Gran Turismo 6, TMNT Out of the Shadows, Watch Dogs, Pacman Ghostly Adventures, Hot Wheels World's Best Driver, Batman Arkham Origins and other games simply by their gameplay videos were proven to have an great gameplay value so why the hell should this game be forgiven? It shouldn't and won't.

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Post by TheGmGoken » Mon Aug 26, 2013 3:45 pm

the game developers can't show the best this game, I don't think regular players like us can do better.
Say that to the COD developers who suck or the other developers who suck at their own game

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Post by Big Momma » Mon Aug 26, 2013 5:30 pm

I actually remember one of the first gameplay videos released for Budokai Tenkaichi. It was Goku vs Cell, and the person playing wasn't very good. They hardly used dash, would punch a few times then pause without blocking, allowing the AI to get hits in, and they didn't even use any ki attacks (That I can remember). The way they played definitely didn't showcase all you could do.
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Post by Silkman3003 » Mon Aug 26, 2013 6:37 pm

Well according to the front page of Kanzenshuu, BoZ and J stars will be playable at TGS. So I guess by then we'll have more impressions from people who were there(regular fans, gaming sites, etc)

Unless by "playable" they mean that the developers will play the game, and people will watch.

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Post by Avenged » Mon Aug 26, 2013 7:06 pm

Silkman3003 wrote:Well according to the front page of Kanzenshuu, BoZ and J stars will be playable at TGS. So I guess by then we'll have more impressions from people who were there(regular fans, gaming sites, etc)

Unless by "playable" they mean that the developers will play the game, and people will watch.
Nah demos will be playable, just not J Legend Biography.
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Post by goku the krump dancer » Mon Aug 26, 2013 10:33 pm

The developers' job is to show off the gameplay mechanics thats going to convince us to buy the game not be expert pros at it.

Ed Boon is far from the best Mortal Kombat player but back when MK9 was coming out they showed off basic combos, the new built from the ground up fighting system, the Super Meter (new feature), X-rays (new feature) and Fatalities (they're redone after every game). They didn't get into 10-15 hit combo reels.

We've seen a few of the new features for Battle of Z but sadly it all looks like a jumbled mess for the most part.
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Post by TheGmGoken » Mon Aug 26, 2013 10:41 pm

Unless you've managed to travel in time to 2014 when the game has been finished and actually played it, try saving yourself the embarrassment of prejudging the beta version of a game that you have not even seen in person, much less played.
So we're doing this again huh? Okay as a guy who bash and defended this game I must say please stop saying "Well you haven't played the game so you can't judge!". Okay for 1 even if it's just a noob the job is to show why we want to play this game and make us buy it. So of course if we see something we don't like we're going to complain and say this might be a reason why I'm not buying the game. Why waste our money only to be disappointed just to see if the game is good or not. Not everyone is lucky enough to rent before buy so they HAVE to go by gameplay footage. While the graphics improved the gameplay looks awkward,stiff, and just forced and their MIGHT not be in game transformation(Won't be surprised if we don't but we might get one) which is another con. They promise us Shunke Kikcuhi music and WE MIGHT not get it. Through I'm sure we'll get it.

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Post by dbzfan7 » Tue Aug 27, 2013 1:09 am

I'm with DBBOXKAI, I think TTT looks more fun. Looks like BT3 with more players.

Also why the hell are Piccolo, Gohan, and Krillin with SSJ Goku? Krillin is dead, Piccolo is unconscious, and Gohan is taking Piccolo back to the ship.
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dbzfan7 wrote:Also why the hell are Piccolo, Gohan, and Krillin with SSJ Goku? Krillin is dead, Piccolo is unconscious, and Gohan is taking Piccolo back to the ship.
The same reason Raditz was with the Saibaiman, Nappa and Vegeta; they aren't following the story 1:1 so that they can utilize the team combat.

Why do these changes keep keep getting mentioned as if they're blasphemous? This was stated early on, once we actually started to get info anyway, that the story mode was going to to be slightly tweaked with what-ifs to accommodate the combat gimmick.
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dbzfan7 wrote:Also why the hell are Piccolo, Gohan, and Krillin with SSJ Goku? Krillin is dead, Piccolo is unconscious, and Gohan is taking Piccolo back to the ship.
The same reason Raditz was with the Saibaiman, Nappa and Vegeta; they aren't following the story 1:1 so that they can utilize the team combat.

Why do these changes keep keep getting mentioned as if they're blasphemous? This was stated early on, once we actually started to get info anyway, that the story mode was going to to be slightly tweaked with what-ifs to accommodate the combat gimmick.
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Post by Big Momma » Tue Aug 27, 2013 8:50 am

dbzfan7 wrote:
TheDevilsCorpse wrote:
dbzfan7 wrote:Also why the hell are Piccolo, Gohan, and Krillin with SSJ Goku? Krillin is dead, Piccolo is unconscious, and Gohan is taking Piccolo back to the ship.
The same reason Raditz was with the Saibaiman, Nappa and Vegeta; they aren't following the story 1:1 so that they can utilize the team combat.

Why do these changes keep keep getting mentioned as if they're blasphemous? This was stated early on, once we actually started to get info anyway, that the story mode was going to to be slightly tweaked with what-ifs to accommodate the combat gimmick.
Gimmicks should never be forced upon you.
If you really want the original story, you've got 10 years of previous games to check it out (Except for Shin Budokai and a couple others, I guess :P ).
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TheDevilsCorpse wrote:
dbzfan7 wrote:Also why the hell are Piccolo, Gohan, and Krillin with SSJ Goku? Krillin is dead, Piccolo is unconscious, and Gohan is taking Piccolo back to the ship.
The same reason Raditz was with the Saibaiman, Nappa and Vegeta; they aren't following the story 1:1 so that they can utilize the team combat.

Why do these changes keep keep getting mentioned as if they're blasphemous? This was stated early on, once we actually started to get info anyway, that the story mode was going to to be slightly tweaked with what-ifs to accommodate the combat gimmick.
LOL @ slighty.
How are they going to explain Goku getting strong enough to fight the saiyans???
He couldn't beat Raditz alone, and now he's coming with both Nappa and Vegeta. LOL :lol:
Goku and everyone else would get massacred.

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Post by TheDevilsCorpse » Tue Aug 27, 2013 12:55 pm

hulkty wrote:LOL @ slighty.
How are they going to explain Goku getting strong enough to fight the saiyans???
He couldn't beat Raditz alone, and now he's coming with both Nappa and Vegeta. LOL :lol:
Goku and everyone else would get massacred.
That's not even hard. We aren't seeing the alterations that would have occurred to an entire portion of the series that came before this. It's easy to just say the whole batch of fighters is stronger than they were in the original story because of the altered events.
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