The All-Purpose "What-If " Thread

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Re: The All-Purpose "What-If " Thread

Post by JulieYBM » Wed Aug 26, 2026 9:41 pm

“What if Trunks Killed Cell Before He Could Absorb Artificial Human No. 18?”

Trunks, having managed to kill Second Form Cell, slowly descends from the sky while he catches his breath. Vegeta, still damp from having been blasted away by Trunks, returns to the scene of the battle and clicks his tongue in annoyance. He wanted to battle the complete Cell so as to prove his superiority!

Trunks turns his attention to Kuririn, who is facing down Artificial Humans No. 16 and No. 18. With a deep breath, Super Saiyan Second Grade Trunks raises his ki back up and flies over to the trio to confront the Artificial Humans. Trunks holds a palm up, ready to blast them away, but Kuririn jumps in the way and pleads with Trunks.

Trunks cannot see the Artificial Human No. 18 before him as separate as the one from his future timeline. Kuririn, thinking, begins to slowly loosen up his wrists with small stretching motions that are difficult for someone as far away as Trunks to immediately notice. If he has to, Kuririn will use the Taiyou-ken to blind Trunks so that the others can escape.

Suddenly, Vegeta strikes Trunks from behind and a father-son battle breaks out. Vegeta's annoyance doesn't have him particularly trying to KILL Trunks, but Trunks' PTSD has him on edge enough that Trunks isn't pulling his punches, even if he spent most of his ki wiping out every last bit of Cell's many cells. After taking a good punch to the gut, Trunks vomits up blood, but manages to aim it into Vegeta's eyes before beginning to wail on him again.

With the two Saiyans distracted, Kuririn helps the two Artificial Humans sneak off again.

Meanwhile, Vegeta's annoyance with Trunks erupts into full-on contempt as he feels how weakened his son's punches have become after killing Cell. Powering up, Vegeta mercilessly beats Trunks to death.

Realizing what he's done, Vegeta feels a strange grief and his Super Saiyan Second Grade mutates into the true Super Saiyan 2. Sparks of electrical ki dance in the air around Vegeta as he mourns Trunks’ death and soon, he flies off in a daze.

Residual electricity in the air zaps Trunks’ body as it lies motionless on the uninhabited island.

Meanwhile, Son Goku and Son Gohan exit the Room of Spirit & Time. Both can feel that there is something wrong in the air and get filled in by Piccolo, Bulma and Tenshinhan while they change into fresh new clothes, courtesy of Piccolo.

Seeing how close the father and son are, Piccolo gives Gohan the same dougi as his dad (i.e. the dougi from Dragon Ball Movie #12).

Goku, alone, teleports to Vegeta's location, finding him in the wilderness, finishing a bear that he just ate. Goku tries to talk to Vegeta, but Vegeta is uninterested. Goku tries to explain that he will look for the Namekians and bring back a Namekian to revive the Dragon Balls. Vegeta remembers that he killed Namekians once, too, and attacks Goku in a rage.

Now that he sees how Vegeta's ki circulates in this new form, Goku reaches deep within and tugs at the same emotions he felt when Freeza killed Kuririn, nearly killed Piccolo and then nearly blasted Gohan. Drawing on those emotions, Goku transforms while trying to mimic what Vegeta's ki is doing, Goku transforms into Super Saiyan 2 and manages to exhaust Vegeta enough that he can't cause any major damage to the planet. From there, Goku teleports back to the Heavenly Realm to regroup with the others.

Once he has a senzu in him, Goku teleports to the Kaiou of the North to try and figure out where the Namekians are.

Meanwhile, seeing how devastated Bulma is, Son Gohan thinks about how there are now two Bulmas that have lost the same Trunks, just like the same Trunks apparently lost his future counterpart, the Son Gohan that trained him—a Son Gohan who lost his father, too. And now, he is a Gohan that has lost Trunks.

All the lives lost weigh heavily on Gohan. Gohan thinks back to the time he had to bury an entire village of people's corpses on Namek…after they had been slaughtered by Vegeta. And now, by instinct, Gohan was floating off of the tile surface of the Heavenly Realm to go bury one more person's body that Vegeta had turned into a corpse.

Elsewhere, Kuririn begs Doctor Brief to repair No. 16, convinced that the android is of no threat to the Earth. Brief agrees to do the repairs but realizes that he needs Bulma's help. Bulma is lured back to Capsule Corp without knowing why. When Bulma arrives, she wonders if Artificial Human No. 16 might not be useful in stopping Vegeta, so she agrees to repair him.

Artificial Human No. 18 talks to her fellow Artificial Human while they have a moment to themselves. 18 remarks that “that octopus” is confusing. 16 explains to the younger 18 that Kuririn is, at his core, a good man. 18 asks what a good man even is, prompting 16 to ask if Doctor Gero was a good man or a bad man for what he did to her and her little brother. 18 emphatically answers ‘bad’, prompting 16 to smile, which only makes 18 blush in response.

Meanwhile, Piccolo and Tenshinhan emerge from the Room of Spirit & Time after managing to survive a day inside. As they fuel up on food, Son Goku returns to the Heavenly Realm with Dende, the young Namekian that befriended Gohan and Kuririn five years ago on Namek. Dende promptly restores the Dragon Balls, allowing Goku to search for them and use them to bring Trunks back to life.

Elsewhere, Vegeta—his strength restored—begins changing up his Final Flash so as to wipe out all matter in the solar system. Goku realizes that even with his teleportation ability, he won't be able to teleport around the planet finding the Dragon Balls in time to revive Trunks because he's the only one that can keep Vegeta at bay.

Goku teleports to Vegeta's location and resolves to kill him. Vegeta, consumed with madness, continues to grow stronger and stronger. Goku matches Vegeta blow for blow, but then realizes that even if he injures Vegeta he still has to deal with the Final Flash that has been fired off towards the sun.

Artificial Human No. 16 arrives to help Goku kill Vegeta. As things begin to look bleak, a single Kamehame-Ha is fired into the sky and consumes Vegeta's Final Flash, preventing it from destroying the sun. Goku and 16 turn to find that the blast was fired off by Gohan, who is also a Super Saiyan 2.

Enraged yet again, Vegeta prepares to blast at Gohan before a mysterious hand grabs him at the wrist. Vegeta turns and is shocked by what he sees.

Earlier, Gohan arrives at the sight of Trunks' body and begins digging a grave for him. With the grave finished, Gohan wonders if he shouldn't just take Trunks to Capsule Corp to be buried in peace, there. After all, the Namekians are in hiding, so there's no guarantee that his father can find them. As Gohan grabs Trunks to lift him up and over his shoulder, he remembers doing the same for Piccolo back on Namek—only then, Piccolo was at least alive. Suddenly, Trunks’ body twitches! Gohan searches deep within Trunks to find a spark of ki keeping him alive. Getting Trunks to fresh water, Gohan nurses him back to consciousness.

Back in the present, Trunks pleads with his father to stop. Reluctantly, Vegeta stops and passes out from the emotional strain of the last few days.

When Vegeta awakens a few days later, he finds himself at Capsule Corp. Trunks explains that Gohan found him and nursed him back to health. Vegeta feels discomfort at having to express happiness that Trunks is alive, seeing it as a weakness. Trunks counters that it was his rejection of Trunks’ supposedly non-Saiyan ‘weakness’ that got Vegeta into the mess in the first place, which leaves Vegeta with only more to think about.

Later, Vegeta apologizes to Bulma and Trunks. Bulma accepts his apology after realizing that Vegeta's grief was what drove him to nearly destroying the Milky Way.

Vegeta thanks Gohan for saving Trunks’ life but Gohan retorts that there was a stubborn ki that was able to resonate with Trunks’ ki because of their familial bond and that was what did the majority of the work. Vegeta rolls his eyes at having a ten year old flatter him like that.

A few more days pass. With the mood beginning to return to normal again, Trunks and Vegeta train together and begin growing closer in a more healthy manner, which only improves Vegeta's standing in Bulma's eyes. Eventually, after learning how to use the proper Super Saiyan 2 from his father, Trunks thanks ‘Gohan-san’ one more time for protecting him from death and then bids everyone farewell, using his time machine to return to his future timeline.

As Gohan watches his future self's student disappear, he glances at the baby Trunks who will—unlike his future counterpart—get to be raised by his father, who is a better man now than before.

As Goku walks up behind him to place a hand on his shoulder, Gohan looks up at his father, then back up to the clear blue sky, and remarks that he's glad that he didn't have to fill any graves this time.

THE END
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Re: The All-Purpose "What-If " Thread

Post by SonicRider » Thu Aug 27, 2026 3:48 am

JulieYBM wrote: Wed Aug 26, 2026 9:41 pm “What if Trunks Killed Cell Before He Could Absorb Artificial Human No. 18?”

Trunks, having managed to kill Second Form Cell, slowly descends from the sky while he catches his breath. Vegeta, still damp from having been blasted away by Trunks, returns to the scene of the battle and clicks his tongue in annoyance. He wanted to battle the complete Cell so as to prove his superiority!

Trunks turns his attention to Kuririn, who is facing down Artificial Humans No. 16 and No. 18. With a deep breath, Super Saiyan Second Grade Trunks raises his ki back up and flies over to the trio to confront the Artificial Humans. Trunks holds a palm up, ready to blast them away, but Kuririn jumps in the way and pleads with Trunks.

Trunks cannot see the Artificial Human No. 18 before him as separate as the one from his future timeline. Kuririn, thinking, begins to slowly loosen up his wrists with small stretching motions that are difficult for someone as far away as Trunks to immediately notice. If he has to, Kuririn will use the Taiyou-ken to blind Trunks so that the others can escape.

Suddenly, Vegeta strikes Trunks from behind and a father-son battle breaks out. Vegeta's annoyance doesn't have him particularly trying to KILL Trunks, but Trunks' PTSD has him on edge enough that Trunks isn't pulling his punches, even if he spent most of his ki wiping out every last bit of Cell's many cells. After taking a good punch to the gut, Trunks vomits up blood, but manages to aim it into Vegeta's eyes before beginning to wail on him again.

With the two Saiyans distracted, Kuririn helps the two Artificial Humans sneak off again.

Meanwhile, Vegeta's annoyance with Trunks erupts into full-on contempt as he feels how weakened his son's punches have become after killing Cell. Powering up, Vegeta mercilessly beats Trunks to death.

Realizing what he's done, Vegeta feels a strange grief and his Super Saiyan Second Grade mutates into the true Super Saiyan 2. Sparks of electrical ki dance in the air around Vegeta as he mourns Trunks’ death and soon, he flies off in a daze.

Residual electricity in the air zaps Trunks’ body as it lies motionless on the uninhabited island.

Meanwhile, Son Goku and Son Gohan exit the Room of Spirit & Time. Both can feel that there is something wrong in the air and get filled in by Piccolo, Bulma and Tenshinhan while they change into fresh new clothes, courtesy of Piccolo.

Seeing how close the father and son are, Piccolo gives Gohan the same dougi as his dad (i.e. the dougi from Dragon Ball Movie #12).

Goku, alone, teleports to Vegeta's location, finding him in the wilderness, finishing a bear that he just ate. Goku tries to talk to Vegeta, but Vegeta is uninterested. Goku tries to explain that he will look for the Namekians and bring back a Namekian to revive the Dragon Balls. Vegeta remembers that he killed Namekians once, too, and attacks Goku in a rage.

Now that he sees how Vegeta's ki circulates in this new form, Goku reaches deep within and tugs at the same emotions he felt when Freeza killed Kuririn, nearly killed Piccolo and then nearly blasted Gohan. Drawing on those emotions, Goku transforms while trying to mimic what Vegeta's ki is doing, Goku transforms into Super Saiyan 2 and manages to exhaust Vegeta enough that he can't cause any major damage to the planet. From there, Goku teleports back to the Heavenly Realm to regroup with the others.

Once he has a senzu in him, Goku teleports to the Kaiou of the North to try and figure out where the Namekians are.

Meanwhile, seeing how devastated Bulma is, Son Gohan thinks about how there are now two Bulmas that have lost the same Trunks, just like the same Trunks apparently lost his future counterpart, the Son Gohan that trained him—a Son Gohan who lost his father, too. And now, he is a Gohan that has lost Trunks.

All the lives lost weigh heavily on Gohan. Gohan thinks back to the time he had to bury an entire village of people's corpses on Namek…after they had been slaughtered by Vegeta. And now, by instinct, Gohan was floating off of the tile surface of the Heavenly Realm to go bury one more person's body that Vegeta had turned into a corpse.

Elsewhere, Kuririn begs Doctor Brief to repair No. 16, convinced that the android is of no threat to the Earth. Brief agrees to do the repairs but realizes that he needs Bulma's help. Bulma is lured back to Capsule Corp without knowing why. When Bulma arrives, she wonders if Artificial Human No. 16 might not be useful in stopping Vegeta, so she agrees to repair him.

Artificial Human No. 18 talks to her fellow Artificial Human while they have a moment to themselves. 18 remarks that “that octopus” is confusing. 16 explains to the younger 18 that Kuririn is, at his core, a good man. 18 asks what a good man even is, prompting 16 to ask if Doctor Gero was a good man or a bad man for what he did to her and her little brother. 18 emphatically answers ‘bad’, prompting 16 to smile, which only makes 18 blush in response.

Meanwhile, Piccolo and Tenshinhan emerge from the Room of Spirit & Time after managing to survive a day inside. As they fuel up on food, Son Goku returns to the Heavenly Realm with Dende, the young Namekian that befriended Gohan and Kuririn five years ago on Namek. Dende promptly restores the Dragon Balls, allowing Goku to search for them and use them to bring Trunks back to life.

Elsewhere, Vegeta—his strength restored—begins changing up his Final Flash so as to wipe out all matter in the solar system. Goku realizes that even with his teleportation ability, he won't be able to teleport around the planet finding the Dragon Balls in time to revive Trunks because he's the only one that can keep Vegeta at bay.

Goku teleports to Vegeta's location and resolves to kill him. Vegeta, consumed with madness, continues to grow stronger and stronger. Goku matches Vegeta blow for blow, but then realizes that even if he injures Vegeta he still has to deal with the Final Flash that has been fired off towards the sun.

Artificial Human No. 16 arrives to help Goku kill Vegeta. As things begin to look bleak, a single Kamehame-Ha is fired into the sky and consumes Vegeta's Final Flash, preventing it from destroying the sun. Goku and 16 turn to find that the blast was fired off by Gohan, who is also a Super Saiyan 2.

Enraged yet again, Vegeta prepares to blast at Gohan before a mysterious hand grabs him at the wrist. Vegeta turns and is shocked by what he sees.

Earlier, Gohan arrives at the sight of Trunks' body and begins digging a grave for him. With the grave finished, Gohan wonders if he shouldn't just take Trunks to Capsule Corp to be buried in peace, there. After all, the Namekians are in hiding, so there's no guarantee that his father can find them. As Gohan grabs Trunks to lift him up and over his shoulder, he remembers doing the same for Piccolo back on Namek—only then, Piccolo was at least alive. Suddenly, Trunks’ body twitches! Gohan searches deep within Trunks to find a spark of ki keeping him alive. Getting Trunks to fresh water, Gohan nurses him back to consciousness.

Back in the present, Trunks pleads with his father to stop. Reluctantly, Vegeta stops and passes out from the emotional strain of the last few days.

When Vegeta awakens a few days later, he finds himself at Capsule Corp. Trunks explains that Gohan found him and nursed him back to health. Vegeta feels discomfort at having to express happiness that Trunks is alive, seeing it as a weakness. Trunks counters that it was his rejection of Trunks’ supposedly non-Saiyan ‘weakness’ that got Vegeta into the mess in the first place, which leaves Vegeta with only more to think about.

Later, Vegeta apologizes to Bulma and Trunks. Bulma accepts his apology after realizing that Vegeta's grief was what drove him to nearly destroying the Milky Way.

Vegeta thanks Gohan for saving Trunks’ life but Gohan retorts that there was a stubborn ki that was able to resonate with Trunks’ ki because of their familial bond and that was what did the majority of the work. Vegeta rolls his eyes at having a ten year old flatter him like that.

A few more days pass. With the mood beginning to return to normal again, Trunks and Vegeta train together and begin growing closer in a more healthy manner, which only improves Vegeta's standing in Bulma's eyes. Eventually, after learning how to use the proper Super Saiyan 2 from his father, Trunks thanks ‘Gohan-san’ one more time for protecting him from death and then bids everyone farewell, using his time machine to return to his future timeline.

As Gohan watches his future self's student disappear, he glances at the baby Trunks who will—unlike his future counterpart—get to be raised by his father, who is a better man now than before.

As Goku walks up behind him to place a hand on his shoulder, Gohan looks up at his father, then back up to the clear blue sky, and remarks that he's glad that he didn't have to fill any graves this time.

THE END
That's actually pretty deep, nice rewrite

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Re: The All-Purpose "What-If " Thread

Post by DanielSSJ » Thu Aug 27, 2026 7:38 pm

What if Vegeta wasn't brought back to life at the end of the Freeza arc and the series had to continue without him or Trunks?
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Post by JulieYBM » Fri Aug 28, 2026 11:56 pm

DanielSSJ wrote: Thu Aug 27, 2026 7:38 pm What if Vegeta wasn't brought back to life at the end of the Freeza arc and the series had to continue without him or Trunks?
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Re: The All-Purpose "What-If " Thread

Post by DanielSSJ » Sat Aug 29, 2026 1:29 am

JulieYBM wrote: Fri Aug 28, 2026 11:56 pm snip
Regarding how Vegeta would've been excluded by the wish, my thought was that God and Popo could've worded it to not revive anyone too evil to avoid risking bringing Nappa back to life while the Earth was defenseless or something. But the idea of Vegeta hanging on out of sheer stubbornness just long enough to die at the exact wrong time is really funny actually.

I like the greater focus on Gohan growing up and having to deal with a world without Goku, and Kuririn's relationship with #17 and #18. Also, characterizing Cell as a parasite who just wants to consume everything beats the hell out of his canon characterization (not exactly the same, but I had the thought that after he attains his complete form, Cell's motive could've been to sate a biological urge to spread and multiply by repopulating the Earth with Cell Jrs or something)

Overall, a pretty good read.
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Re: The All-Purpose "What-If " Thread

Post by JulieYBM » Sat Aug 29, 2026 1:47 am

DanielSSJ wrote: Sat Aug 29, 2026 1:29 am
JulieYBM wrote: Fri Aug 28, 2026 11:56 pm snip
Regarding how Vegeta would've been excluded by the wish, my thought was that God and Popo could've worded it to not revive anyone too evil to avoid risking bringing Nappa back to life while the Earth was defenseless or something. But the idea of Vegeta hanging on out of sheer stubbornness just long enough to die at the exact wrong time is really funny actually.

I like the greater focus on Gohan growing up and having to deal with a world without Goku, and Kuririn's relationship with #17 and #18. Overall, a pretty good read.
That probably would have been a smarter way to go about it, although my thought was mostly just "wouldn't it be darkly funny if..."

But yeah, like, with Gohan, it just feels natural to tell a story about growing up for a kid character. That was my primary driving force: trying to find ways to put this kid through the gauntlet of growing up and experiencing the sort of things that we all experience, only in as slightly more heightened way, since it's a battle series lol.

For the Kuririn and Artificial Humans: I liked the idea of pulling from what Super establishes, like with No. 17 calling Kuririn nii-san and No. 18 being the bigger sister. Since I didn't want to just repeat the Future Trunks Special, I decided to do a bit of a curve and not have those two be super terrible. They're a bit closer to the main timeline, really, but I wanted to give them a bit more depth, so their poor decisions still count, but you can see how "bad childhoods plus power" makes them out carelessly. With Kuririn, I figured that I could give him interesting scenes without relying on annoying decisions. I'd rather just watch two characters talk it out for a while.

Since the original arc heavily relies on 'the future' and Gohan, a kid, is the very idea of the future itself, I thought that it would be best to do a recurring question of asking the question, "What really IS the future?" At that age, we either expect it to be better than things are now or we don't even consider it. Since Gohan's in a weird place as a kid, it seemed natural to have him be very reflective of that. The recurring imagery of the sky ties into that, because the sky is this big, vast thing that is seems almost difficult to comprehend. If this were, like, an actual series that got made somehow, the audience would probably wind up being young to some degree, so I tried to keep that in mind. What did I want to see to the young? Or to adult reflecting on youth, perhaps? I like the open-endedness of it all, because even as you get much older and could theoritically be old enough to be the parent of a kid of Gohan's age, it really makes you realize how you don't stop trying to figure out what the future is.

Hopefully that makes sense lol
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