"Dragon Ball Super" Series Official Announcement & Discussion Thread

[Noah]

Telling someone who hates the series to drop it? That is crazy talk! No one has the balls to actually drop it, where else are people going to waste hours on end moaning about this and that?

And where else are people going to waste hours complaining about people criticizing the series just because they want things to be better?

The difference here is that Yamcha has a defined precedent​ for his potential unlike Freeza and 17. Yamcha having a bs powerup will mess with actual Canon instead of headcanon.

Really? Toriyama had stated that Freeza was a mutant with untapped potential yes, but I don't remember him saying the same thing about 17 though.

We've seen Yamcha train. We have precedent for his potential.

So by your logic as we've seen Krillin train, we also have a precedent for his potential so he shouldn't be able to touch Gohan or Goku no matter how both were holding back on him, right?

17 getting so much hype you'd think he was F.T/Gohan level popular. Who at Toei is a 17 fanboy cause they either overdoing it or 17 about to put in some of the finest work in this arc.

I don't know, I thought 17 was pretty cool back in the Android arc, felt sad that after being absorbed by Cell he was revived but to never be useful in the series again, GT did a good job with him IMO (Of course the execution could be better), but I feel like they're pushing a lot these days, I never saw him like a that popular character.

[Lord Frieza]

I think what people are getting at is that befor this all kicked off #17 was just an normal human, weaker then even Satan.

The docs upgrades are apparently biological in nature and should in theory push his natural potential up. Simply put #17 in the android saga was much like Frieza, very powerful but untested or developed and since his power is not derived from mechanical implants he could in theory grow strong by training enough.

[Lapislettuce]

Really? Toriyama had stated that Freeza was a mutant with untapped potential yes, but I don't remember him saying the same thing about 17 though.

It was stated in the recent interview with DBS producer where he said that Toriyama agreed that 17 has a great potencial.

[SansrivaaL]

I think what people are getting at is that befor this all kicked off #17 was just an normal human, weaker then even Satan.

The docs upgrades are apparently biological in nature and should in theory push his natural potential up. Simply put #17 in the android saga was much like Frieza, very powerful but untested or developed and since his power is not derived from mechanical implants he could in theory grow strong by training enough.

The problem with that is why was he training? what was his motive? Freeza was eager to kill Goku so that was his driving force, what was 17's? for the poachers? I dont see him as someone who would train just for passing the time or someone like Goku.

[Guesswhoo]

The amount of niptick and hate Super is getting right now is unbelievable . How people actually tought of other cast getting to shine ( on other thing that comedic context) ?
It is like I said, those power jump were NECESSARY because what strategies are they gonna make up if they are just a bunch moon~sun buster (with buu and gohan being exception) against galaxy-universe buster, Goku already proved to Krillin that no strategy work with enormous power gap. It will be the execution that decide whether or not the power up was really worth it.

[Lord Frieza]

I think what people are getting at is that befor this all kicked off #17 was just an normal human, weaker then even Satan.

The docs upgrades are apparently biological in nature and should in theory push his natural potential up. Simply put #17 in the android saga was much like Frieza, very powerful but untested or developed and since his power is not derived from mechanical implants he could in theory grow strong by training enough.

The problem with that is why was he training? what was his motive? Freeza was eager to kill Goku so that was his driving force, what was 17's? for the poachers? I dont see him as someone who would train just for passing the time or someone like Goku.

That I can agree with and we will just have to wait and see.

Your right poachers are not really up there with space pirates and planet killers. However there are things that could motivate him. People point to Cell but really thats unlikely. If he needed a reason its likely his family and what might have happened to them in the Buu saga. While he was more the powerful enough to dodge the Genocide Blast, if he was out working what was stopping his wife and possibly his children from getting new ventilation systems in the chests from Super Buu? That and the fact he was blown up by Kid Buu. That might motivate him I think.

[SansrivaaL]

The amount of niptick and hate Super is getting right now is unbelievable . How people actually tought of other cast getting to shine ( on other thing that comedic context) ?
It is like I said, those power jump were NECESSARY because what strategies are they gonna make up if they are just a bunch moon~sun buster (with buu and gohan being exception) against galaxy-universe buster, Goku already proved to Krillin that no strategy work with enormous power gap. It will be the execution that decide whether or not the power up was really worth it.

Nitpick yeah I can understand, but hate? who the heck here hates Super? nitpicking doesnt mean we hate it, just the same as criticising doesnt mean you dont enjoy the show.

[Baggie_Saiyan]

The amount of niptick and hate Super is getting right now is unbelievable . How people actually tought of other cast getting to shine ( on other thing that comedic context) ?
It is like I said, those power jump were NECESSARY because what strategies are they gonna make up if they are just a bunch moon~sun buster (with buu and gohan being exception) against galaxy-universe buster, Goku already proved to Krillin that no strategy work with enormous power gap. It will be the execution that decide whether or not the power up was really worth it.

Nitpick yeah I can understand, but hate? who the heck here hates Super? nitpicking doesnt mean we hate it, just the same as criticising doesnt mean you dont enjoy the show.

Not only a mere few weeks ago there were some pretty absurd comments such as people saying the show is offensive and a disgrace to animated products everywhere or something to an hyperbolic extreme, I mean you'd expect someone who feels that way to I dunno stop watching but apparently not.

[Sodhi]

All this promotion is what is exciting me for the episode. I am hyped now to see it. Earlier I was not that excited for these #17 episodes. Also, furball God of destruction looks nothing like Lord Shiva lol.

[SansrivaaL]

That I can agree with and we will just have to wait and see.

Your right poachers are not really up there with space pirates and planet killers. However there are things that could motivate him. People point to Cell but really thats unlikely. If he needed a reason its likely his family and what might have happened to them in the Buu saga. While he was more the powerful enough to dodge the Genocide Blast, if he was out working what was stopping his wife and possibly his children from getting new ventilation systems in the chests from Super Buu? That and the fact he was blown up by Kid Buu. That might motivate him I think.

I see.... yeah that can be a good enough reason for him, but still it'd really be cool if they point out why 17 was actually training, like him and Goku having a talk and 17 tells him some stuffs he's been doing the past years.... we can even go with the animals love him so much that they gave him a special ability to use nature/animal ki or something weird like that I'm so excited for the upcoming episode.

Not only a mere few weeks ago there were some pretty absurd comments such as people saying the show is offensive and a disgrace to animated products everywhere or something to an hyperbolic extreme, I mean you'd expect someone who feels that way to I dunno stop watching but apparently not.

Oh my... that is quite a bold statement.... emotions must have gotten high for those people

[Noah]

It was stated in the recent interview with DBS producer where he said that Toriyama agreed that 17 has a great potencial.

I would like to see the source and great "potencial" is really vague in this series as you could say to almost any character.

[TheMathemagician]

Gohan becoming the main character has nothing to do with 17 becoming irrelevant. I don't see how you came to that conclusion seeing as how it didn't stop Goten,Trunks and even 18 from having some sort of spotlight. Plus, you'd think they would have brought him back in the bog,Champa, or Rof arc if that was the case. Gohan is super popular . That's a fact. His ranks in various popularity polls, and people begging him to come back are proof of that. No one begged for 17 to come back. Now that he has, it's more of a "oh that's cool moment " than a "I've been waiting for this" moment . Not to say 17 isn't popular, I think most people feel positively about him. It's just that he's almost no one's favorite character. Cell isn't that popular and Female Broly is a thing for a reason. Toei can influence the arcs, they did it with the Future Trunks arc. Of course, it'll only be done with Toriyamas approval but it doesn't mean it didn't have a Toei influence. Most people aren't even hating on 17 here, this rant wasn't that necessary.

There's actually a video explaining why he didn't show up in the previous arcs,it's mainly because till this point he would have been very irrelevant,can you imagine 17 being invited to Bulma's party just to get his ass kicked by Beerus ? also in ROF why would he show up ? he's not a close friend to any of them,why would he show up just out of no where to fight some fodder soldiers just to get his ass kicked by togoma,and finally the U6 was basically just Vegeta kicking ass then hyping up Hit so Goku could have a great fight with him,and Future Trunks's arc also was mostly just Trunks,Goku and Vegeta not exacly an arc for 17 to comeback,now with the universal survival it's the right time and he's finally getting the spotlight he deserved i don't see why anyone would be surprised at that,and i never said Gohan wasn't popular i was implaying that HE IS but didn't stop them from not giving them screen time which is a proof that popoluraity is irrelevant,and i wasn't talking about your comments i was mainly talking about "namakian saiyan" who writes very obnoxious comments.

I mean, those are the events as they happened without 17. With 17, the events could have been altered. They simply didn't want to use him back then. It's not like they were waiting for the right time. People are surprised because he's been irrelevant for so long and now he's being treated like he's always been a core character of Dragonball. I don't think they're necessarily against it. I think they're just surprised. You're right about popularity not being a major factor in relevance. I agree. NamekianSaiyan does have some very biased and strong opinions, I would just ignore most of what he says.

That's because most of his opinions are guided to bolster Piccolo and a lesser extent Tenshinhan for his bias. However, I do think it's important to hear other people's opinions out to get a scope of everyone's thoughts on everything. I wouldn't just ignore someone completely since that person can't be all wrong, it is opinionated most of the time after all.

[kinisking]

The amount of niptick and hate Super is getting right now is unbelievable . How people actually tought of other cast getting to shine ( on other thing that comedic context) ?
It is like I said, those power jump were NECESSARY because what strategies are they gonna make up if they are just a bunch moon~sun buster (with buu and gohan being exception) against galaxy-universe buster, Goku already proved to Krillin that no strategy work with enormous power gap. It will be the execution that decide whether or not the power up was really worth it.

Nitpick yeah I can understand, but hate? who the heck here hates Super? nitpicking doesnt mean we hate it, just the same as criticising doesnt mean you dont enjoy the show.

Nah, some people actually hate super. And when there are users here they do nothing besides for complain, then it just gets annoying. Maybe if they also mentioned the things they do enjoy about super, then their posts wouldn't make the rest of ours eye roll.

[TheMathemagician]

The amount of niptick and hate Super is getting right now is unbelievable . How people actually tought of other cast getting to shine ( on other thing that comedic context) ?
It is like I said, those power jump were NECESSARY because what strategies are they gonna make up if they are just a bunch moon~sun buster (with buu and gohan being exception) against galaxy-universe buster, Goku already proved to Krillin that no strategy work with enormous power gap. It will be the execution that decide whether or not the power up was really worth it.

Nitpick yeah I can understand, but hate? who the heck here hates Super? nitpicking doesnt mean we hate it, just the same as criticising doesnt mean you dont enjoy the show.

Nah, some people actually hate super. And when there are users here they do nothing besides for complain, then it just gets annoying. Maybe if they also mentioned the things they do enjoy about super, then their posts wouldn't make the rest of ours eye roll.

I personally don't mind some hate, and I don't even think they necessarily have to say something good about Super. But just conduct their hate in a fashion that isn't repetitive, constant, and irritating to the eye. Of course, if somebody goes to such extremes to show hate, you wonder why someone is bothering watching the show to begin with if they didn't have something they like about it.

[FortuneSSJ]

-Character poll-

This conversation about C17 reminded me how a new characters popularity poll is long overdue.
I want to see high new characters like Beerus, Whis, Hit, Goku Black/Zamasu rank and the current position for the old cast.

Maybe they will do one when we reach 100 episodes. It's always interesting to see these stuff.

[SansrivaaL]

Nah, some people actually hate super. And when there are users here they do nothing besides for complain, then it just gets annoying. Maybe if they also mentioned the things they do enjoy about super, then their posts wouldn't make the rest of ours eye roll.

Honestly I have yet to read a comment here that says they hate Super, a lot of people I interact with in this forum from my point of view loves Super to the point of having a discussion or a debate about it, I guess Its either I miss their comments or my mind automatically dumps any comments like that, or I havent been to a lot of threads in this forum.

[SansrivaaL]

When it comes to character polls, if we do get one now I feel like Vegeta's gonna be 1st or Future Trunks.

[kinisking]

Nah, some people actually hate super. And when there are users here they do nothing besides for complain, then it just gets annoying. Maybe if they also mentioned the things they do enjoy about super, then their posts wouldn't make the rest of ours eye roll.

Honestly I have yet to read a comment here that says they hate Super, a lot of people I interact with in this forum from my point of view loves Super to the point of having a discussion or a debate about it, I guess Its either I miss their comments or my mind automatically dumps any comments like that, or I havent been to a lot of threads in this forum.

I have seen people hate super.

However the rest of my comment isn't about people who necessarily hate super, but you'd get that image from them because all they ever talk about is what they didn't like about an episode.

[namekiansaiyan]

Gohan becoming the main character has nothing to do with 17 becoming irrelevant. I don't see how you came to that conclusion seeing as how it didn't stop Goten,Trunks and even 18 from having some sort of spotlight. Plus, you'd think they would have brought him back in the bog,Champa, or Rof arc if that was the case. Gohan is super popular . That's a fact. His ranks in various popularity polls, and people begging him to come back are proof of that. No one begged for 17 to come back. Now that he has, it's more of a "oh that's cool moment " than a "I've been waiting for this" moment . Not to say 17 isn't popular, I think most people feel positively about him. It's just that he's almost no one's favorite character. Cell isn't that popular and Female Broly is a thing for a reason. Toei can influence the arcs, they did it with the Future Trunks arc. Of course, it'll only be done with Toriyamas approval but it doesn't mean it didn't have a Toei influence. Most people aren't even hating on 17 here, this rant wasn't that necessary.

There's actually a video explaining why he didn't show up in the previous arcs,it's mainly because till this point he would have been very irrelevant,can you imagine 17 being invited to Bulma's party just to get his ass kicked by Beerus ? also in ROF why would he show up ? he's not a close friend to any of them,why would he show up just out of no where to fight some fodder soldiers just to get his ass kicked by togoma,and finally the U6 was basically just Vegeta kicking ass then hyping up Hit so Goku could have a great fight with him,and Future Trunks's arc also was mostly just Trunks,Goku and Vegeta not exacly an arc for 17 to comeback,now with the universal survival it's the right time and he's finally getting the spotlight he deserved i don't see why anyone would be surprised at that,and i never said Gohan wasn't popular i was implaying that HE IS but didn't stop them from not giving them screen time which is a proof that popoluraity is irrelevant,and i wasn't talking about your comments i was mainly talking about "namakian saiyan" who writes very obnoxious comments.

I mean, those are the events as they happened without 17. With 17, the events could have been altered. They simply didn't want to use him back then. It's not like they were waiting for the right time. People are surprised because he's been irrelevant for so long and now he's being treated like he's always been a core character of Dragonball. I don't think they're necessarily against it. I think they're just surprised. You're right about popularity not being a major factor in relevance. I agree. NamekianSaiyan does have some very biased and strong opinions, I would just ignore most of what he says.

Only thing I complain about is what Toriyama does with his characters. I don't like them being left behind and not having any decent fights just becuase Toriyama won't give them power ups. 17 coming back and being crazy strong is annoying as he could do this to characters who are around permanently. I will accept 17 being really strong in this arc if the others get the same treatment instead of just getting shoved to the side again for a character who was forgotten by Toriyama.

[TheMathemagician]

When it comes to character polls, if we do get one now I feel like Vegeta's gonna be 1st or Future Trunks.

I feel Vegeta has a decent chance, but I don't think Trunks would get #1. I think Goku would have a better shot at that than Trunks. I'm sure characters like Hit, Black, and Beerus would be pretty popular too.