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by p123 » Sun Dec 12, 2010 2:17 pm
My main thing is that I feel that the SSJ boost is very minimal at this point, after seeing the 5x increase in weights for Goku, the killi system, and the implications of Base Saiyan strength in comparison to Piccolo, a SSJ boost being really small is not going to be big judging by Buu Saga logic alone.
IMO, it is impossible for Trunks/Goten/Piccolo/Gotenks to think that Base Gotenks Post has a chance against Super Buu, when they all realized that SSJ Gotenks had no chance. For this to be possible all four characters would have had to lose their mind ki sensing wise, in which I don't feel that's valid. None of the Z fighters are ever suggested to be read wrong in the Buu Saga by other Z fighters. Meanwhile, Buu is suggested to have abnormal ki, and suggested to have been read wrong several times by Z fighters...
Buu misreadings
Piccolo on Fat Buu Power up 1/ Power up2
Kuririn on Fat Buu ( base gotenks pre )
Kuririn on Super Buu (ssj gotenks pre )
Trunks/Goten/Piccolo/Gotenks on Super Buu ( base gotenks post )
Vegeta on Super Buu
If you look at all of these examples, and then think about how Buu is hard to read, and see how it just makes sense for Buu to be read wrong and not the Z fighters...
Not to mention that...
Vegeta reads Teen Gohan right ( comparison to Kid )
He is able to rememeber Kid Gohan's power 7 years ago, and knows that Teen Gohan has only gotten weaker. This requires expert ki sensing and expert memory.
Vegeta reads Goku Burst and Goku SSJ2 right
He is able to predict that Goku's burst will be stronger than Kid Gohan, and also is able to tell Goku's SSJ2 is > Kid Gohan, which Piccolo confirms later as well.
Piccolo is able to tell Majin Vegeta > Kid Gohan
Another sign of expert ki sensing.
Trunks is able to tell Majin Vegeta = Goku SSJ2
Goten is able to tell Gohan > SSJ3 Gotenks
Goten actually has to correct Trunks here, as Trunks is not really wanting to admit Gohan is superior. Nothing suggests that Trunks was ever wrong previously though, since Goten would have been there to correct him as well which he never had to...
So as you can see, there are some major major ki sensing issues and non issues going on here. As you can see, taking Buu out of the equation is the only way to make sense of it all.
Okay... I thought in giving a try another different different way to measure characters. I got the idea from Salagir when he attributed different tiers to different characters. I will start with the Majin Buu arc:
