Tanooki's DBZ: Season 2 Box Set Dissection

shenron002 · Post by **shenron002** » Fri Jun 15, 2007 4:01 pm

Conan the SSJ
Makes sense, doesn't it? The only prior experience their head of remastering has is adjusting the color contrast on womens' breasts.

You would think, he would at least get the flesh tones right!

ETC123 · Post by **ETC123** » Fri Jun 15, 2007 6:32 pm

Conan the SSJ wrote:we all know buying the rights to use the Dragonbox masters would likely be cheaper than the overall cost Video P&T is charging for the series. C'mon FUNi, a friggin' Spanish distributing company got the masters, why can't you!

I seriously hate to be the devil's advocate here, considering people are wisening up, but the thing is this- Japanese companies are assholes.

The reason Spain and such can get these sorts of masters is because Toei and such don't expect high-end sales from them. Sure, it's a popular series, but it's marketted to a country that isn't exactly huge, DVD wise, nor has the same population makeup of the US, which I imagine has a higher overall percentage as far as people with disposable income would be concerned.

As such, Toei would more or less charge pretty far out of their own ass. This isn't just Toei, but a lot of other Japanese companies work on this non-logical standing too. The exceptions seem to be people like NHK (just from what I hear from some people who work at Imaginasian TV) and TMS, who basically gave Imaginasian all of their R2 masters/translations/art/whatever and just said "go for it".

It's a hit and miss scenario, but thats the likely conclusion.

MajinVejitaXV · Post by **MajinVejitaXV** » Fri Jun 15, 2007 7:04 pm

OutRun2/Isamu on another forum wrote:I am up to episode 110 just around the start of the Garlic Jr saga on my MI boots(the dark blue box pictured above), and I can tell you 100%....THESE ARE THE DRAGONBOXES WITH ENGLISH SUBTITLES!!!!!!!! THAT'S IT END OF STORY!!!!!!!!!!

There is np, and I mean NO fansubs you can download that comes close to these MI Hong Kong DVDs! The ONLY thing is that the English grammar could use a bit of touch ups here and there and of course names are wrong on a couple characters BUT THIS IS NITPICKING! Everything else about these MI dvds are E-X-A-C-T-L-Y like the R2 Dragon Boxes! I will update you guys and let you know if I find any missing subs on any of the episodes.

You see, between this and his posts in this thread, I've decided against doing a factual reply that contests his points. After all, the guy thinks an upscaled DVD with subpar bitrates, obliterated details and so forth is superior to an actual Blu-Ray release (assuming he even has it, as his post makes me think he might have a rip of the disc, not an actual legitimate copy)...then again, he also thinks a single-layer bootleg of the DragonBoxes is "E-X-A-C-T-L-Y" the same.

Instead, my reply is thus:

LAWL INTARWEBS HOW DOES I KAMAYAYA?!

-Corey

P.S. - VTEC just kicked in yo'.

DBW · Post by **DBW** » Fri Jun 15, 2007 9:23 pm

MajinVejitaXV wrote:LAWL INTARWEBS HOW DOES I KAMAYAYA?!

-Corey

P.S. - VTEC just kicked in yo'.

Welcome to 4chanEX

And now if you'll excuse me, I'ma busy right now chargin mah lazer

lost in thought · Post by **lost in thought** » Fri Jun 15, 2007 9:37 pm

Damn it, and just when I thought I could go to bed and spend the day actually doing shit and not have to worry about an idiot getting bright ideas.

@OutRun2:
"Oh boy I'm gonna have a lot of fun here!"
The only fun that will exist here is me walking all over your argument, whether you like it or not. I thrive on peoples humiliation, and you're really helping me live longer.

First of all, don't play dumb with me, yo-- wait, I think I am forgetting who we're dealing with here --do I really need to elaborate? I am sure everyone else knows exactly what I am alluding to.

Now for the subs issue, you've already condemned them. Where first come grammatical issues inevitably lives name spelling issues, as well as context issues. Plus, as quoted by Corey, these are admittedly dvds from Hong Kong; notorious for abysmal quality work, any justifications you may attempt to make it sound like they're above the rest, well, it just reaffirms the truth that they are terrible. There's no two ways about it. Clyde Mandelin respects the work more than anyone out of Hong Kong, and his translations are clinical at best.
If anyone has no ground to stand on, it's unequivocally you.

Moving right along to the dub issue, I can't help but laugh about how at the end of the day you're no different than any of those silly whiners anywhere else. Oh, big bad dub, boo-hoo, it's going to eat you.

Finally, the theft issue. As has been mentioned, you're very inconsistent in your arguments. Read what you've said, read what Cory has quoted you on saying; nothing is off the record, you've been screaming to the heavens over them and just because you own a few region 2 discs doesn't mean jack shit. Nor just because you didn't pay for them does that make it any better. It's still theft of product, whether you would believe it or not; you're stealing return from both companies, and let me let you in on a little secret, the 'anime industry' isn't a lavish one, and the returns on product are very low. So, I would advise against your next argument being "I am just one person, how's that going to matter to them."

As for the grownups remark, if you were a grownup, you wouldn't be blatantly and admittedly stealing from two companies. Only ungrateful slobs steal, and they get what's coming to them for doing it. Oh, and about those assumptions, it's unnecessary to assume when you wear your attitude on your sleeve.

@Corey:
Sorry to completely break your special reply, but sometimes you've gotta' do what you've gotta' do. Wont happen again... if I can help it.

Lobster_Rage155 · Post by **Lobster_Rage155** » Fri Jun 15, 2007 10:11 pm

lost in thought wrote:Clyde Mandelin respects the work more than anyone out of Hong Kong, and his translations are clinical at best.

Ah, why the cracks on Clyde Mandelin? His work on Dragon Ball was back in his greenhorn days, and I think his work was pretty good, especially considering that he was just starting out on DVD subs. And of course, he's far better nowadays.

Correct if I misunderstood.

SonGokuGT · Post by **SonGokuGT** » Fri Jun 15, 2007 10:24 pm

First rule of /b/ - You don't talk about /b/
Second rule of /b/ - You don't talk about /b/

Oh wait... LOL WUT?

lost in thought · Post by **lost in thought** » Fri Jun 15, 2007 11:48 pm

Lobster_Rage155 wrote: Ah, why the cracks on Clyde Mandelin? His work on Dragon Ball was back in his greenhorn days, and I think his work was pretty good, especially considering that he was just starting out on DVD subs. And of course, he's far better nowadays.

Correct if I misunderstood.

When I had said that, I wasn't meaning to insult Clyde, so much as make the point that the individual who's work is widely considered inferior to Steven J. Simmons', still has more respect for it than anyone in Hong Kong.

As for the part about being clinical, that wasn't attempted to insult either, so much as it was more or less an opinion about his 'style' of translation; he does very basic and straight forward work, from what I've seen of it, making little or no time for vernacular, or any kind of vocal derivation. That doesn't mean I see problems in his work though, or have any kind of dislike of him or what he does; I just don't ignore the negatives for the positives about things.

kakadu · Post by **kakadu** » Sat Jun 16, 2007 10:16 am

The new season sets are a pathetic excuse for dragon ball z.

Reasons:

* The brightness of the film is ridiculous, the characters are way too white and pale. (Not being racist)

*Whenever there is a scene that involves shaking the image of characters are blurred and lose parts of the original film.

*Although there is a reasonable consistency in the english voice acting, some of the lines are disgracful (Vegeta calling Goku "Goku").

*The cropping, although not that big of an issue to me (mainly the above) takes away from the original film and is not the way it was meant to be seen.

In order to fix these sets Funimation should not remaster DBZ, as they have proven time and time again that they are not capable of giving fans are proper release. So they should somehow purchase the DragonBOx sets and just re-dub everything consistently with proper english translations. Otherwise if this is not possible they should get off their lazy buts and fix the damged film frame by frame until they get it daam right.

By the way Funi I'm expecting a fullscreen release similar to the DRagon Boxes in the next few years. Please dont dissapoint me.

PiccoloDaimao · Post by **PiccoloDaimao** » Sat Jun 16, 2007 1:07 pm

The new season sets are a pathetic excuse for dragon ball z.

Reasons:

* The brightness of the film is ridiculous, the characters are way too white and pale. (Not being racist)

*Whenever there is a scene that involves shaking the image of characters are blurred and lose parts of the original film.

*Although there is a reasonable consistency in the english voice acting, some of the lines are disgracful (Vegeta calling Goku "Goku").

*The cropping, although not that big of an issue to me (mainly the above) takes away from the original film and is not the way it was meant to be seen.

In order to fix these sets Funimation should not remaster DBZ, as they have proven time and time again that they are not capable of giving fans are proper release. So they should somehow purchase the DragonBOx sets and just re-dub everything consistently with proper english translations. Otherwise if this is not possible they should get off their lazy buts and fix the damged film frame by frame until they get it daam right.

By the way Funi I'm expecting a fullscreen release similar to the DRagon Boxes in the next few years. Please dont dissapoint me.

God, you are the pickiest S.O.B.'s around. Did you know in episode 54 during the 5:57 mark a line appears for less than a split second. Because of that the whole box set is shit.

SonGokuGT · Post by **SonGokuGT** » Sat Jun 16, 2007 2:22 pm

PiccoloDaimao wrote: God, you are the pickiest S.O.B.'s around. Did you know in episode 54 during the 5:57 mark a line appears for less than a split second. Because of that the whole box set is shit.

Actually, it's because of the horrible "restoration" work done on it as well as its total disregard for the original aspect ratio that the boxsets are shit.

ETC123 · Post by **ETC123** » Sat Jun 16, 2007 2:25 pm

PiccoloDaimao wrote: God, you are the pickiest S.O.B.'s around. Did you know in episode 54 during the 5:57 mark a line appears for less than a split second. Because of that the whole box set is shit.

What?

The fuckin' release is edited. Regardless of what some suit in Japan authorised, the set has a huge edit. On top of that, original details from the animation have been completely obliterated. The set claims to be uncut, yet it still doesnt have correct openings/closings.

The set looks like a pile of shit, and no price can honestly justify it. This would not be so bad if there were an actual, reasonable English-language alternative for the uncut version, but there is not and FUNimation continue to deny it, despite already having everything in place to do one.

It's more than just one mark being in there- I'm sure the Dragonboxes still have the occasionally tiny, tiny bits of 'damage' and fair call, it's a big set of an 80s cartoon. But this breaks all of the OAR standards that DVD consumers fought for, twists them around, and then hands masters into the hands of people who are completely incompetant.

Why do you feel the need to defend this?

Ex-Dubbie369 · Post by **Ex-Dubbie369** » Sat Jun 16, 2007 2:25 pm

SonGokuGT wrote:
PiccoloDaimao wrote: God, you are the pickiest S.O.B.'s around. Did you know in episode 54 during the 5:57 mark a line appears for less than a split second. Because of that the whole box set is shit.
Actually, it's because of the horrible "restoration" work done on it as well as its total disregard for the original aspect ratio that the boxsets are shit.

We're also bitching because we were lied to. This doesn't look like some $2,000,000 frame-by-frame restoration to me.

SonGokuGT · Post by **SonGokuGT** » Sat Jun 16, 2007 2:43 pm

Ex-Dubbie369 wrote:
SonGokuGT wrote:
PiccoloDaimao wrote: God, you are the pickiest S.O.B.'s around. Did you know in episode 54 during the 5:57 mark a line appears for less than a split second. Because of that the whole box set is shit.
Actually, it's because of the horrible "restoration" work done on it as well as its total disregard for the original aspect ratio that the boxsets are shit.
We're also bitching because we were lied to. This doesn't look like some $2,000,000 frame-by-frame restoration to me.

Oh yes, lied to and insulted. [9-year-olds, anyone?]
Not mention FUNi is still trying to shove the whole "MOAR PICCHUR!!!1!11" thing down our throats and either denying or ignoring the points that keep arising. Who's up for forming an army to march into their panel at Comic-Con to demand an answer for this bullshit?

BlueSky · Post by **Kaboom** » Sat Jun 16, 2007 2:49 pm

SonGokuGT wrote: Who's up for forming an army to march into their panel at Comic-Con to demand an answer for this bullshit?

*Prepares picket sign*

NeptuneKai · Post by **NeptuneKai** » Sat Jun 16, 2007 3:21 pm

That would be an epic plan actually! Sounds like it would finally make Funi address the issue. If they get called out face to face they're bound to do something.

Castor Troy · Post by **Castor Troy** » Sat Jun 16, 2007 3:26 pm

Anyone capable of making clips to see these horrible scenes in motion?

If you need space, pm me.

FDLink · Post by **FDLink** » Sat Jun 16, 2007 3:32 pm

SonGokuGT wrote:Who's up for forming an army to march into their panel at Comic-Con to demand an answer for this bullshit?

Fucking DO IT! Have all your evidence and visual proof on hand, too. Corner the shysters and watch them squirm.

I only wish I was anywhere near Comic-Con so that I may join the army. lol

Ex-Dubbie369 · Post by **Ex-Dubbie369** » Sat Jun 16, 2007 4:01 pm

SSj Kaboom wrote:
SonGokuGT wrote: Who's up for forming an army to march into their panel at Comic-Con to demand an answer for this bullshit?
*Prepares picket sign*

*Takes out pitchfork*

DBW · Post by **DBW** » Sat Jun 16, 2007 5:28 pm

PiccoloDaimao wrote:God, you are the pickiest S.O.B.'s around.

Ok, shit like this has got to stop. I'll admit that I'm a bitch-ass motherfucker when it comes to quality (especially with movies and shows I love), but this is well beyond nit-picking. The content is fundamentally flawed beyond the point of distribution!

FUNimation's new masters are not fit for retail distribution. Period. This isn't some arbitrary debate about dubs, or missing eyecatchers, or whatever. Nor is this an issue of poor quality due to age or other natural factors. The entire series has been damaged by FUNimation beyond the point where it should be sold to consumers. It's a rip-off.

Add their advertising campaign to the mix, and I'd go so far as to call this release a scam. I say this as a general consumer, regardless of the fact that it's DragonBall. DVDs, in general, get recalled for lesser issues than this.

NeptuneKai wrote:If they get called out face to face there bound to do something.

Call security, I'd imagine.

I actually really like this plan, though. And if you did get thrown out, it would just make it even more epic. ^_^