The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

[Mystic Gohan]

Take the explanation or leave it, but the fact remains regardless that battles aren't determined strictly by numbers. Thus official numbers cannot be legitimately written away or defamed as "not making sense" just by virtue of not fitting a random fan's narrow preconceptions about minimum power gaps.

Now, I think we've gotten a little too far off-topic with this. Partially my fault for getting roped in.

Fact? That's not fact. For the most part, battles are power-based. Which fight has been won by skill and not power?

[Kaboom]

Fact? That's not fact. For the most part, battles are power-based.

Yes, "for the most part," but not entirely. That's the whole point, and you're even saying it yourself now. Can the subject please be dropped now?

[Mystic Gohan]

Fact? That's not fact. For the most part, battles are power-based.

Yes, "for the most part," but not entirely. That's the whole point, and you're even saying it yourself now. Can the subject please be dropped now?

Yes, i can drop the subject, but i just want to say one last thing. I don't see a point not to use the power gaps AT himself has given us. That's all.

[Fox666]

Bardock and his team vs. Planet Namek
How long will it take them to vacate the planet?

Conditions:
Bardock and crew survived and received zenkais after Dodoria's attack
Nail is not on Namek

Bardock alone with about 10,000 should be enough to do the job.

[Kaboom]

Without Nail around they should be able to clear the planet pretty easily. Quickly too, with how underpopulated Namek is.

Unless all the other Namekians start doing some serious merging en masse.

[Bussani]

That makes it sound like Piccolo Jr > Piccolo Daimao in potential, which isn't likely IMO. They are the same being, so they should have the same potential.

Wait, so you're against him having more potential than Daimao because they're the same person, but you're okay with him automatically having more power than Daimao even though they're the same person? How does that make sense? Besides, this is another one of those cases where I think the word "potential" is misused. The way Viz worded it made it sound like they were talking about something more like dormant power to me, which isn't the same as "the potential to get stronger". It's power you already have that needs to come out.

As for Piccolo Jr., the guides tell us that two Namekians can only fuse if they're the same type. If Nail is a warrior-type, then Piccolo Jr. must also be a warrior-type. Of course, this means you have to assume that Piccolo fusing with Kami is a special exception due to them having two halves of the same soul or whatever.

[In Brightest Day]

Tenshinhan, Kuririn & Yamcha (beginning of DBZ) vs. Garlic Juniors movie 1 henchmen: Nicky, Sansho and Ginger.

[mysticboy]

Tenshinhan, Kuririn & Yamcha (beginning of DBZ) vs. Garlic Juniors movie 1 henchmen: Nicky, Sansho and Ginger.

I gotta give it to the humans on this one.

[Piccolo Daimao]

Son Gokuu (Movie #3, no Kaiouken) vs. Vegeta (against Recoom)

Tullece noted Gokuu's battle power as "30,000 and rising", so he'd be slightly stronger than Vegeta and eventually defeat him.

Son Gohan (Movie #3) vs. Bardock (post-Zenkai)

I think that Bardock's superior skill and experience would eventually corner Gohan, so the only chance the half-Saiyan would have is if he got a strong enough rage boost to nail him with a Masenko or something.

Tenshinhan & Chaozu (Movie #3, no psychic powers) vs. Nappa

I think that Tenshinhan's almost as strong as Nappa here, so his teamwork with Chaozu would be enough to defeat the Saiyan brute.

Piccolo (Movie 3) vs. Vegeta (Saiyan saga)

I’m going to say that Vegeta would win, due to his tenacity and the fact that he’s genuinely skilled as a fighter without a brute force too. I mean, he did manage to emulate the Earthlings’ natural method of ki-sensing after one fight with them, as well as what he saw of him on Namek.

Tenshinhan, Kuririn & Yamcha (beginning of DBZ) vs. Garlic Juniors movie 1 henchmen: Nicky, Sansho and Ginger.

I'd say that all of Garlic Jr.'s henchmen are stronger than Tenshinhan once they bulk up, and if they gave even Gokuu trouble at first, the only chance the Earthling would have is Tenshinhan's Kikouhou (which, at most, would only take out one of the henchmen).

[Fox666]

Son Gokuu (Movie #3, no Kaiouken) vs. Vegeta (against Recoom)

Tullece noted Gokuu's battle power as "30,000 and rising", so he'd be slightly stronger than Vegeta and eventually defeat him.

I would say Vegeta's durability overcomes a small difference in power, depending of how small it is.

[Piccolo Daimao]

Son Gokuu (Movie #3, no Kaiouken) vs. Vegeta (against Recoom)

Tullece noted Gokuu's battle power as "30,000 and rising", so he'd be slightly stronger than Vegeta and eventually defeat him.

I would say Vegeta's durability overcomes a small difference in power, depending of how small it is.

But Vegeta in the Boo arc said that Gokuu was more gifted than him, as evidenced by their respective training regimes in the RoSaT. Vegeta aimed for higher power, while neglecting its downsides, while Gokuu realized it from the off and then worked on mastering his best form for battle.

[mysticboy]

SSJ2 Future Trunks vs Perfect Cell (at the Cell Games)

[Insertclevername]

SSJ2 Future Trunks vs Perfect Cell (at the Cell Games)

Trunks destroys....This is just Perfect Cell and not Super Perfect Cell, right?

Either way I'll say Trunks, he would be about the same as Gohan, more of less, and he would have enough power to take him. He also has an attack like the "Heat Dome attack" (Is that a dub term) to over power Cell, if he can, that is. It would be a hard battle but I think Trunks can pull through.

[Saiga]

I wouldn't say that Trunks would be about the same as Gohan, at the Cell Games Gohan would've been way stronger just as a Super Saiyan.

Trunks would still annihilate Cell though.

[Kaboom]

Yeah, Goku and even moreso Gohan each had a solid lead on Trunks and Vegeta at the Cell Games. Cell likewise seemed to be holding back by a pretty decent amount with the power he used against Goku as opposed to his full power. As such, I doubt whether using SSj2, only doubling his power, would let Trunks match up to full-power Cell, to say nothing of "Super Perfect" Cell.

[Insertclevername]

Woops, I meant that Future Trunks was about the same as Gohan in Super Saiyan 2, not at the Cell Games era.

[Kaboom]

Oh. Well, then, yeah, he can beat Cell. He might end up even more merciless about it than Gohan was!

[Piccolo Daimao]

SSJ2 Future Trunks vs Perfect Cell (at the Cell Games)

SS2 future Trunks would be marginally stronger than Cell when he fought Gokuu, but then Cell would unleash his full power and beat him to a pulp.

[dbgtFO]

Lanfan vs. Videl(25th Tournament).

Lanfan made it all the way to the first round of the 21st Tournament, but how much that was due to her sex appeal is unknown. One thing you can probably count on is Videl not being affected by it should Lanfan try to use it.

So who wins?

[Saiga]

Well Videl has flight, so I'm giving it to her.