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I hope that Granolas high perception and marksmanship granted by his unique race, the cerealieans. I expect Granola to use his eye to function similar to Bleach and the Quincy Sternritter Lille Barro, with his unique schrift "the X-axis"(Ji Ikusakushisu; Japanese for "Piercing Everything")
This allow him to manifest his quincy bow as a "sniper rifle" and he can pierce any target, regardless of distance, speed or durability.
I also expect techniques similar to how Hit functioned.
The Dragon Ball paradigms has shifted towards technique rather than brute force and power.
Besides having UI Goku fight another Ultra Instinct character, it would be nice to see a technique beat it.
I thought it would be cool to see something like high intensity sound waves mediated by Phonons. Perhaps Granola has a device or attack that can generate such vibrations to knock Ultra Instinct users out of the state?
In simple terms, Ultra Instinct requires a gentle heart and a calm mind, since it's a mental state, that manifest as a transformation, if you flood the users body with external stimuli, that they can't ignore, then it should have an effect on them, and knock them out of the state, such as with sound!

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Post by Mister_Popo » Thu Feb 18, 2021 4:44 pm

Well, whether your for or against the new dragon, he has a very cool design, best dragon-design in DB so far, i must admit.

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jd55513 wrote: Thu Feb 18, 2021 4:04 pm I hope that Granolas high perception and marksmanship granted by his unique race, the cerealieans. I expect Granola to use his eye to function similar to Bleach and the Quincy Sternritter Lille Barro, with his unique schrift "the X-axis"(Ji Ikusakushisu; Japanese for "Piercing Everything")
This allow him to manifest his quincy bow as a "sniper rifle" and he can pierce any target, regardless of distance, speed or durability.
I also expect techniques similar to how Hit functioned.
The Dragon Ball paradigms has shifted towards technique rather than brute force and power.
Besides having UI Goku fight another Ultra Instinct character, it would be nice to see a technique beat it.
I thought it would be cool to see something like high intensity sound waves mediated by Phonons. Perhaps Granola has a device or attack that can generate such vibrations to knock Ultra Instinct users out of the state?
In simple terms, Ultra Instinct requires a gentle heart and a calm mind, since it's a mental state, that manifest as a transformation, if you flood the users body with external stimuli, that they can't ignore, then it should have an effect on them, and knock them out of the state, such as with sound!
I just finished the Morro act, and I think that's my main take away from this: It seems that the series is actively trying to deal with a lot of this franchise's baggage buy trying to expand its rule system to be more than "guy who powers up harder is stronger." Mostly because it levels the playing field so it doesn't have to be simply the "Goku and Vegeta show" anymore.

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This is my analysis of Goku and Moro from the Galactic Patrol arc: comment on Seththeprogrammer video:
Yes, I'm glad you caught the Galactus influence! Moro is not a being of pure evil, since Dragon Ball is based on Eastern Philosophy and their isnt an absolute notion of that, especially in Buddhism.
Here is my character analysis of Goku and the reasons he had the senzu bean thing. Again this is based on lots of Buddhism and some Christianity.
The character archetype of Goku, is a synthesis of Shintoism, Confucianism, Daoism and Buddhism. In this case,
For Buddhism they believe in innate buddhahood for all sentient beings(which includes all evil doers like King Piccolo, Frieza, Cell, Kid Buu, Zamasu, and even Moro). Goku is like a "Bodhisattva" which, are enlightened beings who strive to get others to achieve enlightenment and awakening.

They believe in universal compassion. This is why Goku is written to be pure "kokoro" (heart) and empty minded. forgiving, as well as doing things like giving a senzu bean, or giving mercy to the most malicious beings in the universe.

Goku's character archetype is based on the central character in Journey to the West, Son Wukong. The story is about a tale of retrieving buddhist scrolls from India.
It's also apparent that Eastern Philosophy is there. Because historically, Buddhism spread from India to China and then Japan. As it spread to China. The Shaolin Monks incorporated Buddhism into their martial arts(Kung fu) as it spread to Japan, in influenced the way of the warrior, or Bushido. (Zen Buddhism)
One of the coolest things to come from Dragon Ball, is "Migatti No Gokui". Geekdom101 did a video on it's basis, which is Mushin. However, I also believe it to be a reference to a real life swordsman named Miyamoto Musashi, he founded a Zen Buddhist school of thought, for kenjutsu technique called niten'ichi (二天一, "two heavens as one") or nitōichi (二刀一, "two swords as one") or 'Niten Ichi-ryū' (A Kongen Buddhist Sutra refers to the two heavens as the two guardians of Buddha).
All of Son Goku's lessons from his martial arts masters(Roshi, Korin, Popo, Kami, King Kai, Whis, and even Merus, have all led up to his spiritual culmination, the mastery of self movement.

Goku being a pure and empty minded being, is the first step in spiritual enlightenment in achieving such a state. Goku's inner aggregates is his selfish desire to fight. He queals this desire to fight (even if temporarily) and that is what allows him to achieve Ultra Instinct.
Goku, detest taking life, because it takes away from people's potential(regardless of them being evil entities). In Buddhism everyone is capable of buddhahood and enlightenment, even all of the villains of the series.
Goku fights to conquer himself, which is the turtle school way of martial arts, and martial arts is based on Daoism and Zen Buddhism. Well it's true that Son Goku's character has struggled with this lessons, time and time again. I believe it's still consistent with the character archetype, which is to show compassion to your enemies, no matter how wicked or "evil" they may be. Moro is basically Galactus, who continues to remain youthful, as long as he consumes planets with life. For as long as he has existed, that has been his M.O. Goku after he defeated Moro initially, asked Moro if he had trained, to which Moro has responded that he hadn't. The point of this conversation, wasn't the training, it was mercy, a chance at self reflection.
Moro is a being, who is caught in selfishness, who is obsessed with the five aggregates in Buddhism. This is a pattern that affects most mortals, and keeps them from reaching Tathagata and enlightenment.
Beings who relentlessly cling to mortal obsessions will find themselves in a vicous, never ending cycle of reincarnation. They will experience "dukka"(suffering) and "anatta"(impermanence). Until they let go of their illusionary self's.
Goku, in this conversation, showed compassion to a being, who had tried to kill him multiple times. This is the "universal compassion montra" that Bodhisattva examplfiy.
Is it annoying writing, to Westerners? Yes.
Does it make sense in the cultural context? Yes.

Again, I should make clear, Goku himself, hasn't reach this stage of englightment. Goku mind is "empty", which is based on the Song Wukong character archetype. Having a empty mind, is the first step in Buddhist englightment. This was also the reason he was able to use "Migatti no Gokui" The height of martial arts. Goku to some extent, had let go of his selfish desire to fight(by that, I mean, the saiyan drive to enjoy fighting), if temporarily.
Goku doesn't really reach the kind of Bodhisattva level enlightenment, until he meets Uub. Or if you enjoy GT, when he beats Omega Shenron

In the East, specifically in terms of Buddhism, the primary struggle facing people is the cultivation of self and freeing themselves from the cycle of samsara. Those who selfishly pursue things will be forced to endlessly reincarnate and thus, continue to experience "dukka"(suffering) and "anatta"(impermance) until they let go of the five aggregates of Buddhism.

In Confucianism, You have a humanist centered philosophy, that espouses, the flourishing of society as being the best good. Anything deviating from this or the virtues of a enlightened individual in society leads to the imbalance and gives the impression of "Evil". that is Specifically to "way of the gentlemen" are benevolence (ren 仁), righteousness (yi 義), ritual propriety (li 禮), wisdom (zhi 智), and trustworthiness (xin 信).

However, in Shintoism, there is a struggle and balancing of kegare ("pollution" or "impurity"), while ensuring harae ("purity"). Which contradicts some Buddhist ideas of the non-self(atman)

I really think people need to understand that the Eastern Philosophy in Asian cultures is vastly different than in Western cultures.
In regards to Metaphysics and Ethics, it is night and day on concepts of Gods and Evil.
There is no ultimate good or evil in Eastern philosophy. There is only relative good and evil. "All undertakings are beset with imperfections, as fire with smoke" (Gita 18.48).
In Daoism, you have the Cosmic Yin and Yang. Which is Dialectical monism, also known as dualistic monism. This is not to be confused with just monism(the idea that reality is built on things of a material substance, like atomism). This is a special case of ontology (study of being) where the forces represent themselves, as perceptions in the realm of the minds, not substantive nature. It's also merely an illusion like Buddhism.

For example, Evil in the East is not a "substance" in a monist point of view. It does not have matter associated with it.
This should be obvious, as you don't see "evil" or "good" on the periodic table of elements. Even if you trace evil down to some basic element of thing in common across cultures or religion and even science, you will find that it's only rooted in perception, it's a idea that is found only in the minds of observers. It possesses no material form outside subjective experience, hence it's relative and not objective. There are no cells that produce evil, humans don't produce evil, the Universe doesn't produce evil. Everything has a purpose in the Universe. Marcus Singer says: "If something is really evil, it can't be necessary, and if it is really necessary, it can't be evil"


In the West, from a theological point of view, St. Augustine viewed evil as a "privation of good" he didn't believe Evil was created since that would deconstruct the presumption that a God was perfect in the sense of omnipotent, all good, and omniscient.

Also in the West, people tend to believe in a concept in Theodicy called the "vale of soul making". This would be the explaination for the problem of evil. That is, the existence of evil as a phenomenological effect, that motivates and breeds self cultivation of behavior and harmonious virtues in mortals.

The reason I added the stuff about evil and Godhood, is that people always struggle with coming to terms of why don't Whis or the Kaioshins or the other Gods, actually intervene. This is a struggle that parallels actual history in theology and is across cultures.
Thinking of these things, helps to appreciate the ideas behind the fiction.

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Post by jd55513 » Thu Feb 18, 2021 5:44 pm

Here is my character analysis of Vegeta:

This is relevant because of the newfound character insights we may see, based on the current chapter!

Vegeta's character archetype. Vegeta upon first introduction, was a Saiyan antagonist, self aborbed in his royal saiyan pride, as a elite warrior. He didn't require training and believed himself to be the strongest saiyan warrior. He visited Earth to use the Dragon Balls to grant himself ultimate power to overthrow frieza and rule the universe. He didn't have a growth mindset, like Goku, where he believed he could improve, nor did he believe in seeking help from other people, as he viewed such a thing, as a weakness.

After the events of Namek and the knowledge of Goku becoming the legendary super saiyan and defeating Frieza. He started to focus all his rage and motivation in surpassing goku. Initially through brute force training. He still fought selfishly, and for only himself. He viewed fighting, only for the sake of proving himself to be the best warrior ever. When Goku once again, surprised the prince, with his version of training, and to his further annoyance, now his rivals son had surpassed him. This once again, showed Vegeta that their was something else he was missing.

If sheer training doesn't help, what then? Vegeta then found himself a family and thought that was the source of Goku's strength. Still Goku in the afterlife, had again, managed to surpass him, with SSJ3. Even going back to his dark roots didn't bring him closer to Goku.

Then came Vegeta's proclamation during the Kid Buu fight, that It was more than training, more than family, and more than just having interesting friends and mentors. It was spiritual enlightment, he was missing. Son Goku character archtype is based and inspired by Journey to the West. Sun Wukong is a mythical sage who is selfishly obsessed with fighting and even fights the Buddha! By the end of the story, Son Wukong is granted Buddhahood and enlightment for helping to retrieve the Buddhist Scrolls. This related because Son Goku is also a being who through his adventures and fighting, finds within himself, spiritual enlightment. You may doubt this idea that Son Goku is a "enlightened being" But you have to consider the Eastern Traditions conception of Enlightment, which is "emptyness" This is the first step in Buddhist-Daoist enlightment. It's called "Satari" or first enlightment. In the cultivation of Zen, this kind of mindset is what is required to reach newfound spiritual heights.
As for Vegeta. This is what he realized and after the Buu arc, he went on a "spiritual pilgrimage" in finding new masters and such, to teach him this kind of mindset and spirit.
This is who Vegeta is now, thanks to Son Goku's greatest strength, which is to allow others to find greater strength within themselves, through the Philosophical depths of martial arts.
To put it simply. Vegeta, realized that the wall he continues to push himself over, is not Son Goku, it is himself. The greatest person you will ever face, is yourself, your own thoughts, and fears. Vegeta was always fighting others and externalizing his own pitfalls onto others, instead of fighting himself.This pattern is apperent, in other villains in Dragon Ball. Son Goku is a being, who has always viewed his own spirit, as his wall to climb over. He shows mercy and compassion to others due to his Buddha nature, and to allow others to find this truth as well. Again, not to prove anything, but to find greater meaning.

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Post by FishermanJohnWest » Thu Feb 18, 2021 10:01 pm

Jiren The Alpha wrote: Thu Feb 18, 2021 12:16 pm
FishermanJohnWest wrote: Thu Feb 18, 2021 10:33 am So Goku says Beerus power is scary, and he knows of Beerus technique

Good, know Beerus fans can't say Broly is weaker than him all of the sudden
Beerus still hasn't shown his full power agenst Goku. This just shows how strong Beerus is even when he is suppressed.
Goku seen his full power and talks about Beerus terrifying power, even mentions the technique he used. And still thinks Broly is probably stronger

Nothing changing for Broly

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FishermanJohnWest wrote: Thu Feb 18, 2021 10:01 pm
Jiren The Alpha wrote: Thu Feb 18, 2021 12:16 pm
FishermanJohnWest wrote: Thu Feb 18, 2021 10:33 am So Goku says Beerus power is scary, and he knows of Beerus technique

Good, know Beerus fans can't say Broly is weaker than him all of the sudden
Beerus still hasn't shown his full power agenst Goku. This just shows how strong Beerus is even when he is suppressed.
Goku seen his full power and talks about Beerus terrifying power, even mentions the technique he used. And still thinks Broly is probably stronger

Nothing changing for Broly
Except he didn't. It's literally been a plot point for years that Beerus (and Whis tbh) has never shown their full power or abilities. Be a Broly try hard stan if you wish, but don't ignore important plot points.

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Post by GodVegetto91 » Fri Feb 19, 2021 2:08 am

Ilikepictures-meh wrote: Fri Feb 19, 2021 1:42 am
FishermanJohnWest wrote: Thu Feb 18, 2021 10:01 pm
Jiren The Alpha wrote: Thu Feb 18, 2021 12:16 pm

Beerus still hasn't shown his full power agenst Goku. This just shows how strong Beerus is even when he is suppressed.
Goku seen his full power and talks about Beerus terrifying power, even mentions the technique he used. And still thinks Broly is probably stronger

Nothing changing for Broly
Except he didn't. It's literally been a plot point for years that Beerus (and Whis tbh) has never shown their full power or abilities. Be a Broly try hard stan if you wish, but don't ignore important plot points.
You really should read the Manga again.. I think you missed a few chapters near the beginning of the ToP Arc... Don’t ignore actual evidence!

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Post by Matches Malone » Fri Feb 19, 2021 3:00 am

I'm really not a fan of the new dragon ball lore, as it just makes an already easy task (wish granting) even easier. I do think there's a possibility of the wish not working due to the dragon's limitations, but my point still stands. Another issue I have is the number of dragons, as like with the Ssj transformations, having so many around just lessens the weight they have within the story. Although I think there's a chance the wish won't be made, it potentially being granted creates a number of problems for the story. The first is that how can a weak dragon (weak compared to the others) grant such a wish ? The strongest in the universe is essentially MUI Goku's level. The second issue is that it makes the other Z fighters even more pointless for not doing the same. The third issue is that it takes away form the hard work and training theme of the story, both of which could be used to develop Granola further.

With all that out of the way, I really like the direction they're taking Vegeta. For the longest time fans have complained that Vegeta (and the other saiyans) were just weaker versions of Goku. No one had any power or technique that helped them standout, but that's changing now with Vegeta. Between his training on Yardrat and now with Beerus, he's becoming his own warrior with his own unique powers. Freeza being mentioned yet again points towards him having (hopefully) a major role to play in this arc. I'm really interested in a potential 4 way battle between the saiayns, Freeza, Granola, & whatever that gang is. I also hope we'll get some kind of flashbacks to what happened to Namek from this new guy, as his age could suggest he may have lived through it.

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Matches Malone wrote: Fri Feb 19, 2021 3:00 am I'm really not a fan of the new dragon ball lore, as it just makes an already easy task (wish granting) even easier. I do think there's a possibility of the wish not working due to the dragon's limitations, but my point still stands. Another issue I have is the number of dragons, as like with the Ssj transformations, having so many around just lessens the weight they have within the story. Although I think there's a chance the wish won't be made, it potentially being granted creates a number of problems for the story. The first is that how can a weak dragon (weak compared to the others) grant such a wish? The strongest in the universe is essentially MUI Goku's level. The second issue is that it makes the other Z fighters even more pointless for not doing the same. The third issue is that it takes away form the hard work and training theme of the story, both of which could be used to develop Granola further.

With all that out of the way, I really like the direction they're taking Vegeta. For the longest time fans have complained that Vegeta (and the other saiyans) were just weaker versions of Goku. No one had any power or technique that helped them standout, but that's changing now with Vegeta. Between his training on Yardrat and now with Beerus, he's becoming his own warrior with his own unique powers. Freeza being mentioned yet again points towards him having (hopefully) a major role to play in this arc. I'm really interested in a potential 4 way battle between the saiayns, Freeza, Granola, & whatever that gang is. I also hope we'll get some kind of flashbacks to what happened to Namek from this new guy, as his age could suggest he may have lived through it.
Maybe it can give him the potential to be the strongest, but can't make him that strong immediately? There's gotta be some sort of catch/limitation.

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Post by Matches Malone » Fri Feb 19, 2021 3:12 am

ZodiacBeast wrote: Fri Feb 19, 2021 3:07 amMaybe it can give him the potential to be the strongest, but can't make him that strong immediately? There's gotta be some sort of catch/limitation.
I definitely think something will go wrong, but then again, this is coming from the same writers who had Goku offer Moro a senzu bean. The biggest fear I have with this arc is it ending up like the rest of Super, where it's full of great ideas that never reach their full potential.

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Post by emperior » Fri Feb 19, 2021 3:14 am

With Granola stealing the dragon ball it again reinforces the notion that “stealing” keeps being a central theme of the arc.

We know the dragon cannot directly grant Granola’s wish. But I still believe that somehow Granola will be able to steal the power of Merus stored inside of 73 and maybe the dragon will tell him how to do so or maybe the dragon will be able to grant the wish by transferring that power inside of Granola.

Still I wonder how this will work. Moro was far more powerful than Granola yet his body wasn’t capable of handling Merus’ power, therefore Granola’s body shouldn’t either.
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Post by Trouser » Fri Feb 19, 2021 5:45 am


After bad Moro Arc I hoped for something better... Eh, we'll see what happens next.
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Post by Hugo Boss » Fri Feb 19, 2021 5:56 am

GodVegetto91 wrote: Fri Feb 19, 2021 2:08 am
Ilikepictures-meh wrote: Fri Feb 19, 2021 1:42 am
FishermanJohnWest wrote: Thu Feb 18, 2021 10:01 pm Goku seen his full power and talks about Beerus terrifying power, even mentions the technique he used. And still thinks Broly is probably stronger

Nothing changing for Broly
Except he didn't. It's literally been a plot point for years that Beerus (and Whis tbh) has never shown their full power or abilities. Be a Broly try hard stan if you wish, but don't ignore important plot points.
You really should read the Manga again.. I think you missed a few chapters near the beginning of the ToP Arc... Don’t ignore actual evidence!
If you are referring to the Gods of Destruction exhibition match, there was a point in which Goku couldn’t comprehend what was going on, so he probably missed important stuff.

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Post by Matches Malone » Fri Feb 19, 2021 6:10 am

Trouser wrote: Fri Feb 19, 2021 5:45 am

After bad Moro Arc I hoped for something better... Eh, we'll see what happens next.
I'm definitely not a fan of these developments either. I didn't have an issue with Beerus being the one to OK the planet's destruction, but not being the one to outright order it, it just takes way from Freeza's personal motivation. There are things I like about the arc, but I'm keeping my expectations low, as modern DB isn't known for living up to its potential.

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Post by Kinokima » Fri Feb 19, 2021 7:35 am

I don’t think the dragon will be able to grant that particular wish. I guess he could tell Granolah how to become stronger.

Obviously the dragon will have to play some part in the arc. Just showing a new Dragon and having it say this is beyond my power would be a pretty pointless development.

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Post by Magnificent Ponta » Fri Feb 19, 2021 7:56 am

I think that whatever else happens, this is already a fairly important character development for Granolah:

Or at least, that's how it seems to me right now.

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Post by Kinokima » Fri Feb 19, 2021 10:43 am

Magnificent Ponta wrote: Fri Feb 19, 2021 7:56 am I think that whatever else happens, this is already a fairly important character development for Granolah:

Or at least, that's how it seems to me right now.
Letting go of the past does seem to be a stronger theme than stealing to me as some have been mentioning

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Post by TheSaiyanGod » Fri Feb 19, 2021 11:07 am

Magnificent Ponta wrote: Fri Feb 19, 2021 7:56 am I think that whatever else happens, this is already a fairly important character development for Granolah:

Or at least, that's how it seems to me right now.

Yes, this seems to be the case. Vegeta will find someone similar to him, who can't let go of the past but for different reasons. At the same time that Beerus tells him to abandon that guilt, Granolah will be the personification of the Saiyans' sins. Vegeta also has a character arc and a connection to the last antagonist (Moro), it seems that Toyo wants to explore this side of the character. Perhaps this is the motivation for Vegeta to finally master the GoD technique? I wonder what the implications that embracing destruction will have on his character.

I'm also curious to know how Goku will relate to Granolah's ambitions (which involve Freeza, the same the one who Goku didn't show much concern in the Broly movie)

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