"Dragon Ball Super (Manga)" Official Discussion Thread

[DiscountDabi]

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https://twitter.com/DbsHype/status/1372364118955421696

Oh....well that answers that. Cerealians Live for like 200 years so it makes sense he would have a high potential.

“ Maki is surprised, surely he has at least 50 years, don’t Cerealeans live to at least 200 years old? Granolah confirms he would have lived to at least 150 but he’s exchanged his remaining life span for power.”

Now hang on a second. If Granolah would have lived to be atleast 150 years old...and Maki says he should have at least 50 years left...Is Granolah 100 years old?

[GodVegetto91]

Is Elec even a Dragon Ball character?? He seems way too smart..

[batistabus]

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Granolla is definitely using Hakai...no doubt about it. He uses both the explosive and reduce-to-dust versions, and the reactions from Oatmil and Maki solidify it. Hell, he might even be using Migatte no Gokui based on the way he was jumping around against Oil, but that's not quite certain.

[DiscountDabi]

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My Reaction to this as I’m reading it

[Xeogran]

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My Reaction to this as I’m reading it

Yeah, I knew they weren't good guys like the previous chapter painted them.

[Jaetinh]

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Vegeta and Goku believe they are strongest fighters in the universe. Did they already forget Broly or do they both believe they already surpassed him? I mean Goku probably might have with Ultra Instinct but Vegeta?

[batistabus]

Also I just want to point out how misleading - or even opposite - the leak translations were this month, like usual. Everyone should keep that in mind before reacting too strongly next month. That said, I do feel the online DB community has (overall) gotten better about reactions to leaks, especially compared to a few years ago.

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There also seems to be a bit of rock symbolism this chapter...will need to think on that.

[OrangeBanana]

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So from what I understand Granola got every single bit of power and techniques he'd ever get in his life from the dragon in exchange for 150 years of life. From what I can see Hakai seems to be a technique he has gained also and from the movement he showed perhaps even UI. Gotta wait and see more tho, its hard to tell the difference between techniques sometimes.

[TheSaiyanGod]

This may be reaching, but I think the story is creating even more connections between Vegeta and Granolah. We found out that the Heeters plotted the destruction of the planet of Granolah along with Freeza, just like Beerus was the one who ordered Freeza to destroy the Planet of Vegeta.

In addition to the connections already pointed out by other users, if Granolah did in fact obtain Hakai, then I think we will have a contrast between the two since Vegeta is training to obtain this power while it was basically given to Granolah.

[Jack Bz]

I love how Elec's plan would be smart if he knew anything about Goku and Vegeta. It's funny imagining him realising the mistake he made when he sees them opt to play rock paper scissors to decide who gets to fight first rather than choosing to fight two-on-one.

[GodVegetto91]

The point is of this chapter is, that Vegeta is doing the right thing here, he is doing the slow, but effective, training, step by step.

Granola is doing the wrong thing, he did not train for his power.

There's a clear parallel between Vegeta and Granola here, Vegeta destroying a pebble and then Granola destroying a giant rock is an example of this... There's room for vegeta to grow, on the other hand Granolla is at his peak.

Beerus told Vegeta to move on from the past, otherwise he won't grow stronger, this will be Granola's downfall, he won't be able to grow stronger because he can't forget the past.

[GodVegetto91]

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So from what I understand Granola got every single bit of power and techniques he'd ever get in his life from the dragon in exchange for 150 years of life. From what I can see Hakai seems to be a technique he has gained also and from the movement he showed perhaps even UI. Gotta wait and see more tho, its hard to tell the difference between techniques sometimes.

Doubling his full potential would be 300 years of training!

[Koitsukai]

It's interesting to see that the dragon pretty much gave Granola the most relevant techniques available: hakai and UI. Although Granola having UI is not yet proven, seems logical enough. Maybe he is one level above Goku in the UI department.
It seems the goal here is to have Goku and Vegeta fight both of their techniques at the same time.

I'm expecting Granola to not let Elec run the show.

The arc is moving pretty fast, we already have the prophecy fulfilled, Granola is in a rush and should meet the saiyans fairly soon. Perhaps, Elec will tell him that the saiyans know where Freeza is, and even though he might not want to fight them, Goku will definitely try to fight him.

[DiscountDabi]

The point is of this chapter is, that Vegeta is doing the right thing here, he is doing the slow, but effective, training, step by step.

Granola is doing the wrong thing, he did not train for his power.

There's a clear parallel between Vegeta and Granola here, Vegeta destroying a pebble and then Granola destroying a giant rock is an example of this... There's room for vegeta to grow, on the other hand Granolla is at his peak.

Beerus told Vegeta to move on from the past, otherwise he won't grow stronger, this will be Granola's downfall, he won't be able to grow stronger because he can't forget the past.

If all of this is building up for Goku to beat Granolah even with these clear Vegeta Parralells (Much more than there was in the Moro Arc) then I will be done.

You have my Attention Toyotaro/Toriyama.

Don’t mess it up

[Xeogran]

The point is of this chapter is, that Vegeta is doing the right thing here, he is doing the slow, but effective, training, step by step.

Granola is doing the wrong thing, he did not train for his power.

There's a clear parallel between Vegeta and Granola here, Vegeta destroying a pebble and then Granola destroying a giant rock is an example of this... There's room for vegeta to grow, on the other hand Granolla is at his peak.

Beerus told Vegeta to move on from the past, otherwise he won't grow stronger, this will be Granola's downfall, he won't be able to grow stronger because he can't forget the past.

I really like the entirety of your post here, well done

[Jinto]

From what we gathered about hakai in this chapter, it seems to be forced atomic fission that uses the matter against itself which explains why Beerus could harm SSB Vegeta without breaking a sweet.

The ultimate offensive attack for Vegeta VS the ultimate defense/control for Goku
Granola will be a way for them to master their respective ability because he seems to have both but masters none.

I'm wondering where is Freezer's place here

[Grand Marshal 1]

Rly itching for the preliminary fights after 4 months.

I can definitely see why Toriyama has a say in the story in this arc. He basically uses the Broly punchline again "fate will bring those 3 together".

Granolah finna be the new Broly.

[Kinokima]

The point is of this chapter is, that Vegeta is doing the right thing here, he is doing the slow, but effective, training, step by step.

Granola is doing the wrong thing, he did not train for his power.

There's a clear parallel between Vegeta and Granola here, Vegeta destroying a pebble and then Granola destroying a giant rock is an example of this... There's room for vegeta to grow, on the other hand Granolla is at his peak.

Beerus told Vegeta to move on from the past, otherwise he won't grow stronger, this will be Granola's downfall, he won't be able to grow stronger because he can't forget the past.

If all of this is building up for Goku to beat Granolah even with these clear Vegeta Parralells (Much more than there was in the Moro Arc) then I will be done.

You have my Attention Toyotaro/Toriyama.

Don’t mess it up

Don’t get your hopes up I guarantee Vegeta won’t be beating Granolah

[PurestEvil]

Well, I was expecting a sort of training period with the three focus characters, but the story went the totally opposite direction. I am a tad bewildered at Granola's long hair, though; is it supposed to indicate his increase in power or a passage of time?
I am not upset, though, at least we get to see the Heeter's true colours. I am counting on the moment Granola finds out about the Heeters, um

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aiding the destruction of Cereal

Also, Granola's fight with Oil and Macki was pretty good. Nice to see it was not entirely punches and kicks.
I hope that Monaito will be relevant in the story again, and not just a plot device.
I will admit, I smirked a bit when Vegeta Hakai'd that stone. Classic Saiyan mimicry...
Finally, while it is unlikely for Goku and Vegeta to fight Granola together, I would assume that Elec's plan would still be successful if the two of them take turns.

[PurestEvil]

The point is of this chapter is, that Vegeta is doing the right thing here, he is doing the slow, but effective, training, step by step.

Granola is doing the wrong thing, he did not train for his power.

There's a clear parallel between Vegeta and Granola here, Vegeta destroying a pebble and then Granola destroying a giant rock is an example of this... There's room for vegeta to grow, on the other hand Granolla is at his peak.

Beerus told Vegeta to move on from the past, otherwise he won't grow stronger, this will be Granola's downfall, he won't be able to grow stronger because he can't forget the past.

If all of this is building up for Goku to beat Granolah even with these clear Vegeta Parralells (Much more than there was in the Moro Arc) then I will be done.

You have my Attention Toyotaro/Toriyama.

Don’t mess it up

I would not be holding my breath. I, along with many realist fans as I assume, are too jaded by the Moro arc to expect the best to come from this.
GodVegetto91 made an excellent point though, but I doubt the story will do a lot with it.