"Dragon Ball Super (Manga)" Official Discussion Thread

[Doctor.]

Don't try to insert the Tsufruians and the Super Saiyan story there. They don't mesh well at all with the Super Saiyan God backstory and only creates plot holes.

[Lord Beerus]

Don't try to insert the Tsufruians and the Super Saiyan story there. They don't mesh well at all with the Super Saiyan God backstory and only creates plot holes.

Why wouldn't the conflict with the Tsufruians and the legend of the Super Saiyan fit in with the backstory of the Super Saiyan God? The events of the Super Saiyan God could easily take place before the Tsufruians conflict and the legend of the Super Saiyan with no real plot holes or problems.

[Doctor.]

Don't try to insert the Tsufruians and the Super Saiyan story there. They don't mesh well at all with the Super Saiyan God backstory and only creates plot holes.

Why wouldn't the conflict with the Tsufruians and the legend of the Super Saiyan fit in with the backstory of the Super Saiyan God? The events of the Super Saiyan God could easily take place before the Tsufruians conflict and the legend of the Super Saiyan with no real plot holes or problems.

Because Shenron mentions planet Vegeta when he talks about the Super Saiyan God (now, of course, this could have been removed in Super for this precise reason, but still, it's the only backstory of the SSG we have). And we know that the Saiyan-Tsufruian war is a recent thing. The backstory fits much better when you forget the Tsufruians exist, because then you can assume it happened centuries before the current era.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

Don't try to insert the Tsufruians and the Super Saiyan story there. They don't mesh well at all with the Super Saiyan God backstory and only creates plot holes.

The Tsufruians exist in Toriyama's continuity.

It seems that there are old- and new-type scouters, but are there various other types of scouters as well?
They’re the same in terms of features, but a variety of different aliens wear them, but there are a bunch of different types of attachment parts depending on the position of the ear. If you’re a soldier in Freeza’s army, you can have one made to order to fit yonur ear. The differet screen colors can be chosen to fit the peculiarities of different aliens’ eyes, or to suit one’s tastes. Also, dual-eye types exist as well. Incidentally, its inventors were the Tsufruians, the original inhabitants of Planet Vegeta who were wiped out by the Saiyans. Originally, it was a device for the purpose of guarding against enemies and beasts, but Gichamu, a highly skilled engineer in Freeza’s army, laid eyes on it and made modifications for concrete battle power numbers and telecommunications abilities, and soldiers began making use of it to carry out offensives.

It was him that gave the backstory to Toei back when DBZ was airing:

Planet Plant is a difficult planet to live on, as its gravity is unusually strong. However, two races live here. The majority of the inhabitants of Planet Plant are Tsufruian. Their bodies are small, but knowledge-wise they have a comparatively advanced culture and civilization. The other race has an unusually small population, but their bodies are large and strong. They are a primitive, warlike race called the Saiyans. Their biggest distinguishing characteristic is that they have tails, and every one of them seems to be a warrior.

However, we don't know when exactly this war happened, while the anime tells us that it happened when King Vegeta was the king.

[Gyt Kaliba]

Hmm...come to think of it, the fact that the Saiyans were originally from a different planet entirely might explain why they waited so long (well...all things considered, anyway...) to attack and wipe out the Tsfurians. Maybe they took a little while to get used tot he higher gravity at first, and as they got used to it discovered how much stronger they were growing as a result? That could likewise be the same phenomenon that first attracted Freeza and his forces to the race...that, and them conquering a planet which is supposed to be his gig.

[Lord Beerus]

Don't try to insert the Tsufruians and the Super Saiyan story there. They don't mesh well at all with the Super Saiyan God backstory and only creates plot holes.

Why wouldn't the conflict with the Tsufruians and the legend of the Super Saiyan fit in with the backstory of the Super Saiyan God? The events of the Super Saiyan God could easily take place before the Tsufruians conflict and the legend of the Super Saiyan with no real plot holes or problems.

Because Shenron mentions planet Vegeta when he talks about the Super Saiyan God (now, of course, this could have been removed in Super for this precise reason, but still, it's the only backstory of the SSG we have). And we know that the Saiyan-Tsufruian war is a recent thing. The backstory fits much better when you forget the Tsufruians exist, because then you can assume it happened centuries before the current era.

Oh, yeah. I forget that Shenlong makes mention of Planet Vegeta when talking about the backsotry of the Super Saiyan God. That does create quite a bit of an issue. Maybe the good hearted Saiyans were exiled from Planet Vegeta at a young age and then came back to Planet Vegeta once they figured out the Super Saiyan God ritual when they were much older to settle the score and stop the Evil Saiyans reign of terror. They failed and then the Saiyan/Tsufruians conflict happened. The legend of the Original Super Saiyan could have originated prior to all of that taking place. And it could have even fueled as motivation for good hearted Saiyans even existing in the first place as they saw how the brutality of Saiyan's innate violent nature could lead to the destruction on their own world.

[LightBing]

This means the Tsufruian are still alive in Universe 6. Everyone's alivethere except the Humans, I wonder about the Namekians...
Champa did mention their dragon balls, so they must be well. Unless he asked, right before murdering them.

[FortuneSSJ]

Maybe the U6 Namekians turn out to be not a peaceful race and are out there conquering planets.

[ekrolo2]

Why wouldn't the conflict with the Tsufruians and the legend of the Super Saiyan fit in with the backstory of the Super Saiyan God? The events of the Super Saiyan God could easily take place before the Tsufruians conflict and the legend of the Super Saiyan with no real plot holes or problems.

Because Shenron mentions planet Vegeta when he talks about the Super Saiyan God (now, of course, this could have been removed in Super for this precise reason, but still, it's the only backstory of the SSG we have). And we know that the Saiyan-Tsufruian war is a recent thing. The backstory fits much better when you forget the Tsufruians exist, because then you can assume it happened centuries before the current era.

Oh, yeah. I forget that Shenlong makes mention of Planet Vegeta when talking about the backsotry of the Super Saiyan God. That does create quite a bit of an issue. Maybe the good hearted Saiyans were exiled from Planet Vegeta at a young age and then came back to Planet Vegeta once they figured out the Super Saiyan God ritual when they were much older to settle the score and stop the Evil Saiyans reign of terror. They failed and then the Saiyan/Tsufruians conflict happened. The legend of the Original Super Saiyan could have originated prior to all of that taking place. And it could have even fueled as motivation for good hearted Saiyans even existing in the first place as they saw how the brutality of Saiyan's innate violent nature could lead to the destruction on their own world.

You could also throw in Zuno into this explanation. Since he's a being who knows everything, its possible the few good hearted Saiyan's (and later Freeza) discovered the Saiyan God ritual thanks to him. This way you can also explain why Freeza of all people knows about God when Vegeta doesn't.

[Lord Beerus]

You could also throw in Zuno into this explanation. Since he's a being who knows everything, its possible the few good hearted Saiyan's (and later Freeza) discovered the Saiyan God ritual thanks to him. This way you can also explain why Freeza of all people knows about God when Vegeta doesn't.

I'm almost expecting somebody at one stage to ask Zuno about the Original Super Saiyan God, because I think there is more to it than Shenlong was letting on. I mean, he did hightail it once he saw Beerus, so who knows what more exposition he could provided if he didn't shit his pants when he spotted Beerus and disappeared.

[phattangent]

I'm almost expecting somebody at one stage to ask Zuno about the Original Super Saiyan God, because I think there is more to it than Shenlong was letting on. I mean, he did hightail it once he saw Beerus, so who knows what more exposition he could provided if he didn't shit his pants when he spotted Beerus and disappeared.

I thought that was a pretty funny scene when it happened.

Spoiler:

[Lord Beerus]

I'm almost expecting somebody at one stage to ask Zuno about the Original Super Saiyan God, because I think there is more to it than Shenlong was letting on. I mean, he did hightail it once he saw Beerus, so who knows what more exposition he could provided if he didn't shit his pants when he spotted Beerus and disappeared.

I thought that was a pretty funny scene when it happened.

Spoiler:

Yeah, Shenlong never gets flustered, then all of sudden he's shitting bricks when he spots Beerus. It's hilarious.

[Lord Frieza]

Don't try to insert the Tsufruians and the Super Saiyan story there. They don't mesh well at all with the Super Saiyan God backstory and only creates plot holes.

As far as we know they do fit in Super's continuity. Shenron never mentioned Planet Vegeta so their's no plot hole there. Planet Salad was destroyed by a war between saiyans, the idea of a civil war between saiyans was part of the original SSG backstory and it has likely been changed to fit Super so instead of Vegeta its now Salad. The original Super Saiyan legend tells us that he destroyed the planet he was on, while it is only speculation on my part theirs a good chance this was the Salad and the surviving saiyans migrated to planet Plant.

So at least the way I see it there are no plot holes unless something comes up that contradicts my theory (in which case I'll have to change it based on the evidence). The Tuffles fit if both the SS and SSG apperd on Salad and the events on Plant/Vegeta happened later.

It would also explain why the Super Saiyan became a legend as only a few survives lived to tell the tale and why SSG was forgotten completely.

[phattangent]

The Tuffles fit if both the SS and SSG apperd on Salad and the events on Plant/Vegeta happened later.

I'll admit... It will be interesting if they bring the Tuffle filler stuff into play ala Ginyu and Mr. Satan's posse.

[fadeddreams5]

Am I the only one who finds it absolutely stupid that they're going out of their way to establish the saiyan race as a "good" one that just happened to include some bad apples who won out? I hate the words "good" and "evil" in this context.

Super is likely going to pussify the entire race.

[phattangent]

Am I the only one who finds it absolutely stupid that they're going out of their way to establish the saiyan race as a "good" one that just happened to include some bad apples who won out? I hate the words "good" and "evil" in this context.

This is probably just U6 Saiyans and not those from U7.

Super is likely going to pussify the entire race.

The idea of them being (good) mercenaries or police-type people like Jaco could be an interesting turn of events that in no way "pussifies" the entire race. I think it will add an interesting dynamic.

[Nekis13]

Am I the only one who finds it absolutely stupid that they're going out of their way to establish the saiyan race as a "good" one that just happened to include some bad apples who won out? I hate the words "good" and "evil" in this context.

Super is likely going to pussify the entire race.

From the looks of it, it's just that their still a Warrior Race and are still hired to fight, they just don't go around conquering planets anymore.


Unless you want Saiyan Saga all over again but with more Edgy vegetables.

[LightBing]

Am I the only one who finds it absolutely stupid that they're going out of their way to establish the saiyan race as a "good" one that just happened to include some bad apples who won out? I hate the words "good" and "evil" in this context.

Super is likely going to pussify the entire race.

They're just giving some nuance to the race. In our Universe "evil" won, so society developed in one direction. In their Universe "good" won so it went in the opposite direction. There's not inclination to any side. Vegeta, the character which opinion holds weight regarding this, didn't speak out. I do agree "good" and "evil" are vague terms, which here might paint a black and white picture.

What does this have to do with any "pussifying"? Using your logic on Earth, Kuririn, Kame-Sennin and the rest of the good guys are pussies, while the Red Ribbon Army are the opposite.

[Gyt Kaliba]

How is them taking a more realistic look at the race 'pussyfication'? Especially when every single Saiyan that got to stick around and become much stronger is a good one, not a bad one?

I admit, I never really batted much of an eye at it before hand, but as soon as the concept of 'good' Saiyans came out, it made sense to me. For an entire race, literally every single member, to be evil, just seems illogical, and pretty racist if we were to take it into reality (which is a silly thing to do admittedly). And you take in the fact that the fact that we never knew about them before this is cuz they all got wiped out, despite making a warrior who may-or-may-not have been even more powerful than a Super Saiyan? It all just makes a pretty morbid joke that is vintage Toriyama.

[Neo-Makaiōshin]

Am I the only one who finds it absolutely stupid that they're going out of their way to establish the saiyan race as a "good" one that just happened to include some bad apples who won out? I hate the words "good" and "evil" in this context.

Super is likely going to pussify the entire race.

They're just giving some nuance to the race. In our Universe "evil" won, so society developed in one direction. In their Universe "good" won so it went in the opposite direction. There's not inclination to any side. Vegeta, the character which opinion holds weight regarding this, didn't speak out. I do agree "good" and "evil" are vague terms, which here might paint a black and white picture.

What does this have to do with any "pussifying"? Using your logic on Earth, Kuririn, Kame-Sennin and the rest of the good guys are pussies, while the Red Ribbon Army are the opposite.

He is complaining because it would take away the badass, gritty and rude aspect of the Saiyans from DeeBeeZee that fadeddreams5 feels so atach to.