"Dragon Ball Super (Manga)" Official Discussion Thread

[SSJGBGoku]

Yea could be. I mean as he is a Saiyan , he should know about SSJ transformation.

[LongLostSaiyan]

For Kabe to even pose a threat he has to be either of these three things. Which one do you guys think he will be?

1: A SSGSS

2: A Saiyan form that is equal to or above a SSGSS ( Toriyama's version of a SS4 for an example, the gold looking fan made one)

3: A really powerful base form Saiyan that doesn't transform.

[WhisPL]

SSJ4 vs SSJG it would be a beautiful thing. He has no tail I think it will be something completely new.

[Lord Frieza]

The original Super Saiyan legend tells us that he destroyed the planet he was on, while it is only speculation on my part theirs a good chance this was the Salad and the surviving saiyans migrated to planet Plant.

It does not, that was a fabrication by the funi dub. The original version did not feature any explanation for those filler scenes.

I'm not using the funi dub, that's how I have always inteprtead from that scene when watching it in Japanese. But If you see it differently that's fine

[Noah]

Nah, I would like Kyabe to have a transformation like SSJ4 if he had a tail and was more muscular, I expect him to transform into some crazy shit like with green or purple hair, who knows.

[WhisPL]

Goku and Vegeta trained for three years at SJB. Now they are so much stronger (although their forces do not yet know). How strong must be the kid to match them, and how its forces are another Saiyans. Champa would not take him like he was at Nappy.

[FTW395]

So buu's kicked out of the tournament? I wonder if gohan would replace him

[Mnich]

Yeah but you don't need to have a tail to transform into SSJ4, though I see your point. He must be very tough that Champa took him along. Maybe the Saiyans from U6 have some effective types of training? The last possibility is that he's a hybrid, so he might have a great potential.

[TheDevilsCorpse]

Universe 7's Saiyans destroyed their planet via something similar to a civil war (perhaps the Super Saiyan God battle), and so they moved to Plant and eventually named it Vegeta.

Why assume that it was the SSG battle? From what we know, this happened on Planet Vegeta, and it wasn't a big civil war, just a rebellion of a few good Saiyans.

I'm not assuming it is the Super Saiyan God battle, it was simple speculation that it could be related. Toriyama outright says in the Resurrection "F" script introduction that he doesn't mind contradicting himself, as he's the original author. Super has done a fair share of foreshadowing Champa Arc material in the movie retellings. Toriyama's decision to create Cabba and this new, potentially contradictory info on Saiyan history for both universes could have prompted the removal of Shenlong 's story about the Super Saiyan God's birth being on planet Vegeta in the series' adaptation of events.

[Faustus]

Goku and Vegeta trained for three years at SJB. Now they are so much stronger (although their forces do not yet know). How strong must be the kid to match them, and how its forces are another Saiyans. Champa would not take him like he was at Nappy.

Not only is he/she apparently not a child, but having the U6 Saiyans turn out to be a society of heroes for hire is seeming more and more like a device to have Kabe more plausibly have access to god power. With a greater concentration of "righteous" Saiyans around, there's greater opportunity to discover and then use and abuse the ritual, with the select few of Kabe's caliber even succeeding in the course of time in harnessing the power for themselves in much the same fashion as what Goku managed back in BoG. It's not even out of the question that SSB is entirely commonplace there, or that Kabe has had access to the form for far longer than either Goku or Vegeta.

[emperior]

I can't see Kabe as stronger than Goku and Vegeta unless he has a transformation of his own.

[Faustus]

Why not? Personal preference aside, all I really mean to say is that should it happen that Kabe does in fact possess SSB and match or even outmatch the U7 pair then that would by no means be the kind of contrived ad hoc revelation out of left field that a lot of people's guts are telling them it would be, given what's so far been set up.

[Birusu16]

It certainly wouldn't be contrived or anything of the sort should Kabe be revealed to be stronger than Goku and Vegeta. He's from an entirely different universe. The rules from U7 don't apply to U6. Now I don't think he'll end up being stronger than those two, but if he does there's absolutely nothing wrong with it.

[Neon Z]

That is rather neat. If the Tuffles do end up being mentioned in Super, it'll be interesting to see if their backstory resembles what King Kai told Goku during that one filler in Z.

I really don't think that'll happen. It was also Toriyama who designed the completely different version of the Tuffles seen in Episode of Bardock, so although he's using some elements of that backstory, I doubt we'll see it exactly as it was first told in the anime.

Minus Bardock is killing evil looking creatures, and has a lot more love and care for his family despite him not giving a crap in earlier much better portrayals. That's what the average saiyan should be. Heck them going to planets for worthy foes is more saiyan like then hired do gooders. Raditz and Nappa are essentially the average saiyan. As well as original Bardock. Vegeta was the only psycho among the saiyans who was extremely cold blooded by their standards.

We're essentially being told all of the U6 saiyans are good, so they are essentially the same. The saiyans being evil bastards is what makes them interesting. Even more pacifying and we'll hit more Superman levels than we already have with Bard El. The more good saiyans there are, the less special of a case Goku is.

Your argument sounds really close to all the Superman fans who prefer Byrne's "Man of Steel" Krypton (the 80s comic, not the movie. It was reimagined as a cold and sterile place, with Superman being completely different from other Kryptonians as far as mindset goes) to the classic one, so singling out the version you dislike as "Bard El" is kind of funny.

[dbgtFO]

The original Super Saiyan legend tells us that he destroyed the planet he was on, while it is only speculation on my part theirs a good chance this was the Salad and the surviving saiyans migrated to planet Plant.

It does not, that was a fabrication by the funi dub. The original version did not feature any explanation for those filler scenes.

I'm not using the funi dub, that's how I have always inteprtead from that scene when watching it in Japanese. But If you see it differently that's fine

In that case, it doesn't tell us anything, as you claimed.
For all we know it was just Vegeta's imagination of what a Super Saiyan would be like, rather than something that did happen.

That is rather neat. If the Tuffles do end up being mentioned in Super, it'll be interesting to see if their backstory resembles what King Kai told Goku during that one filler in Z.

I really don't think that'll happen. It was also Toriyama who designed the completely different version of the Tuffles seen in Episode of Bardock, so although he's using some elements of that backstory, I doubt we'll see it exactly as it was first told in the anime.

Is it confirmed those purple guys were Tuffles?
I don't recall it being mentioned in the special and I always got the idea they were Plantians, a species distinct from Tuffles and Saiyans(although that could have been fan speculation).

[fadeddreams5]

Am I the only one who finds it absolutely stupid that they're going out of their way to establish the saiyan race as a "good" one that just happened to include some bad apples who won out? I hate the words "good" and "evil" in this context.

This is probably just U6 Saiyans and not those from U7.

They've been doing this for a long time. First, with the 2008 OVA (introduced Tarble). Then, with Minus (pussified Bardock). And then with BoG (good saiyans circle jerked to stop the evillll ones, but lost).

What does this have to do with any "pussifying"? Using your logic on Earth, Kuririn, Kame-Sennin and the rest of the good guys are pussies, while the Red Ribbon Army are the opposite.

I'm referring to the way they're portrayed, not which side they pledge allegiance to. The saiyans were always described as a warrior race that took pride in fighting and conquering. They're blood knight. Primal humanoids (see: their tails) with a lust for battle. I mean, Goku was revealed to have been chaotic as a baby before hitting his head. This was simply their nature. They're barbarians who almost lost a war against an actual technologically advanced race.

Sure, there can easily be a grey line in which some may have rebelled because they didn't want to harm innocent people, but still maintained their detached dispositions and drive for battle---I LIKE this idea. However, the way they're portraying these "good" saiyans is painful. Gine is basically Videl 2.0 with saiyan armor on. They completely dropped the idea of Goku going to Earth to conquer it. Tarble is a bitch. And I can see the benevolent saiyans being quirky, goofy, every day humans with a loooveee for food, only they're also strong. That goes hand-in-hand with the nature of Super...

How is them taking a more realistic look at the race 'pussyfication'?

It's not realistic. My gripe is this use of the words "good" and "evil." What they're doing is basically trying to erase all pre-established descriptions and backstories of the saiyans so they can introduce peaceful ones like Tarble without anyone questioning it. In other words, they're pussifying the entire race so it fits with the nature of this awful show.

He is complaining because it would take away the badass, gritty and rude aspect of the Saiyans from DeeBeeZee that fadeddreams5 feels so atach to.

Well... yes. What's wrong with liking how they were portrayed as opposed to the garbage we get now?

I don't want them to all be evil. I just don't want to see saiyans like Goten, Trunk, and Tarble running around, and not a single one like Raditz, Nappa, Vegeta, Paragus, King Vegeta, Bardock, Bardock's crew, and so on. You know, because they're not "good."

[saunasolmu]

The saiyan race evolved to good instead of evil in U6. Kinda like they lost their tails.

[Pannaliciour]

1) maybe Champa made a mistake; he toke a weak Saiyan because he saw a weak goku and vegeta?

2) the boy from U6 has something special, some kind of a HULK thing. Getting stronger the stronger the opponent or the longer the fight goes on. Or the madder he gets.

[emperior]

1) maybe Champa made a mistake; he toke a weak Saiyan because he saw a weak goku and vegeta?

2) the boy from U6 has something special, some kind of a HULK thing. Getting stronger the stronger the opponent or the longer the fight goes on. Or the madder he gets.

1 - Maybe there's something bigger behind, and maybe when Champa asked to the King of Saiyans of U6, he told Champa to take Cabba, who might not be the strongest of the Saiyans.

2 - Or this. The boy could be special. Heck he might even be a 70 years old adult, maybe the King of Saiyan himself. Maybe U6 Saiyan spend their entire lives sparring and fighting enemies so they got very strong.

[Doctor.]

Tarble is a bitch. And I can see the benevolent saiyans being quirky, goofy, every day humans with a loooveee for food, only they're also strong. That goes hand-in-hand with the nature of Super...

And, surprisingly, neither Gine nor Tarble are in Super. You're putting the blame on the show when it did NOTHING to the portrayal of the U7 Saiyans. It added Cabba, but he's a U6 Saiyan, so he's completely irrelevant. Hell, with the king Vegeta flashback, it only reinforces the fact that they're selfish, prideful bastards.