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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by raulvalente » Sat Dec 05, 2015 6:30 pm

I can't care less that I do today about power levels, I think DB is way more than that. Sure, transformations and fights are cool. But the Toriyama humour and character interactions/development is what makes DB so interesting to me.

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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by Ringworm128 » Sun Dec 06, 2015 6:30 am

That's not really an unpopular opinion, at least not here anyway.

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Post by Gyt Kaliba » Sun Dec 06, 2015 8:10 am

I'd say it's about half and half. There's still a fair amount of people here that seem to care solely for power levels, if not numerically, then just being so obsessed with them that absolutely no story reasoning will be good to them if it conflicts with their decade-long assumptions from the end of the series.
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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by precita » Mon Dec 07, 2015 4:12 am

I wish we got a few more slice of life episodes of Gohan in High School with Videl. Maybe after Buu was defeated but before the time skip for the last 3 episodes. Especially with Videl as "Saiyagirl" fighting crime alongside Gohan.

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Post by Wezenheim » Mon Dec 07, 2015 4:20 am

precita wrote:I wish we got a few more slice of life episodes of Gohan in High School with Videl. Maybe after Buu was defeated but before the time skip for the last 3 episodes. Especially with Videl as "Saiyagirl" fighting crime alongside Gohan.
Honestly, I just like Dragon Ball slice of life in general and Super's slice of life episodes are actually really nice and enjoyable. Gohan and Videl have some nice interactions and I actually liked the Saiyaman stuff, so I wouldn't have had a problem with an episode or two of that.

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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by Saiga » Tue Dec 08, 2015 9:01 am

Gyt Kaliba wrote:I'd say it's about half and half. There's still a fair amount of people here that seem to care solely for power levels, if not numerically, then just being so obsessed with them that absolutely no story reasoning will be good to them if it conflicts with their decade-long assumptions from the end of the series.
Which means that either side is popular, not that one side is half-unpopular.

I mean if half the forum shares an opinion that is far from unpopular.

And as always, nice work making up the other side's position without bothering to understand. :angel:
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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by Gyt Kaliba » Tue Dec 08, 2015 10:23 am

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Gyt Kaliba wrote:I'd say it's about half and half. There's still a fair amount of people here that seem to care solely for power levels, if not numerically, then just being so obsessed with them that absolutely no story reasoning will be good to them if it conflicts with their decade-long assumptions from the end of the series.
Which means that either side is popular, not that one side is half-unpopular.

I mean if half the forum shares an opinion that is far from unpopular.

And as always, nice work making up the other side's position without bothering to understand. :angel:
I never claimed it was unpopular or popular. I just said that from what I'd seen, there seems to be about an equally sized group of people that care and don't care about power levels. Certainly seems the power level enthusiast crowd is more vocal in their distaste for things though. So yes, by it being roughly equal sided, it's neither popular nor unpopular.

I've tried to understand, but when every argument I've seen in relation to such topics always ends with someone going 'Nope, you're wrong, only my numerical facts are right, lalalalala!' - well, more power to you, but definitely not a conversation (if you can even call it that at that point) I'm interested in having. Especially not for the 100th time. So nice attempt at passive aggressiveness.
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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by fadeddreams5 » Tue Dec 08, 2015 2:29 pm

I don't care about power levels. I care about consistency. I'm sure most people do. Or at least should.

I can't find a story compelling if it sells itself as a continuation of the manga, but is filled with contradictions or just lack of creativity/effort.
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Post by Doctor. » Tue Dec 08, 2015 2:31 pm

fadeddreams5 wrote:I don't care about power levels. I care about consistency. I'm sure most people do. Or at least should.

I can't find a story compelling if it sells itself as a continuation of the manga, but is filled with contradictions or just lack of creativity/effort.
Why are you so fond of the Z anime though?

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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by fadeddreams5 » Tue Dec 08, 2015 2:43 pm

Doctor. wrote:
fadeddreams5 wrote:I don't care about power levels. I care about consistency. I'm sure most people do. Or at least should.

I can't find a story compelling if it sells itself as a continuation of the manga, but is filled with contradictions or just lack of creativity/effort.
Why are you so fond of the Z anime though?
I mean, there were things like the moon being blown up twice that bugged me, but it was fairly consistent within the context of the story, as long as we ignore filler.
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Post by Doctor. » Tue Dec 08, 2015 2:48 pm

fadeddreams5 wrote:I mean, there were things like the moon being blown up twice that bugged me, but it was fairly consistent within the context of the story, as long as we ignore filler.
God restored the moon, that was stated in the series.

I was talking mostly about all the inconsistencies in the filler/padding.

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Post by ABED » Tue Dec 08, 2015 3:01 pm

fadeddreams5 wrote:I don't care about power levels. I care about consistency. I'm sure most people do. Or at least should.

I can't find a story compelling if it sells itself as a continuation of the manga, but is filled with contradictions or just lack of creativity/effort.
I don't know if GT has more contradictions than DB nor am I sure if you could quantify them, i just know that yeah, both stories have their fair share of contradictions but can both be enjoyed, just like filler can be enjoyed even if there is a contradiction. Perhaps the contradictory material is more enjoyable than the original idea(s).
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Post by fadeddreams5 » Tue Dec 08, 2015 3:03 pm

Perhaps the contradictory material is more enjoyable than the original idea(s).
Yeah, I prefer Vegeta knowing about Frieza's destruction of Planet Vegeta from the beginning, rather than him learning about it from Dodoria. >.>
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Post by ABED » Tue Dec 08, 2015 4:08 pm

fadeddreams5 wrote:
Perhaps the contradictory material is more enjoyable than the original idea(s).
Yeah, I prefer Vegeta knowing about Freeza's destruction of Planet Vegeta from the beginning, rather than him learning about it from Dodoria. >.>
THat actually isn't that bad of an idea. I see the value in the twist that Freeza was the one that destroyed Planet Vegeta, but I do like the scene where Vegeta knows about that fact and says he doesn't care because let's be honest, Vegeta doesn't really care about his own race. He gives lip service to it, but he never actually SHOWS it. His race dwindled down to 4, he scoffed at the idea of bringing back Raditz, killed Nappa when he was broken by Goku, and tried to kill not only Goku, but Goku's half breed son. When Freeza told Vegeta that he murdered King Vegeta, Vegeta responded by saying that he surpassed his father when he was a child.

I also like the filler where Goku's dead enemies watch his battle against Kid Buu even though they were supposed to lose their bodies.
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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by Doctor. » Thu Dec 10, 2015 9:34 am

I hate Super Saiyan 2 Gohan too, he's written in a way where you're SUPPOSED to hate him. Yet, ironically, he's loved.

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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by rereboy » Fri Dec 11, 2015 1:29 pm

Doctor. wrote:I hate Super Saiyan 2 Gohan too, he's written in a way where you're SUPPOSED to hate him. Yet, ironically, he's loved.
Many people just want to see a overwhelmingly powerful fighter. That's pretty much all that they like about teen SSJ2 Gohan. That and the cheap feels with 16's death.

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Post by Lord Beerus » Fri Dec 11, 2015 2:03 pm

The Android/Cell arc is one of the low points in the original story and has aged horribly.

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Post by MarCas92 » Fri Dec 11, 2015 2:04 pm

Lord Beerus wrote:The Android/Cell is one of the low points in the original story and has aged horribly.
I agree with this. A lot of people (including myself) feel that this should've either been the LAST arc of the series or right before the Freeza. It's placement in the timeline as well as everyone acting like an idiot make it not so good in retrospect.
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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by Basaku » Fri Dec 11, 2015 2:11 pm

Lord Beerus wrote:The Android/Cell arc is one of the low points in the original story and has aged horribly.
On the contrary, it is the best written part of DBZ

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Post by Lord Beerus » Fri Dec 11, 2015 2:35 pm

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Lord Beerus wrote:The Android/Cell arc is one of the low points in the original story and has aged horribly.
On the contrary, it is the best written part of DBZ
Nah. That honour belongs to either the Freeza arc or the Saiyan arc. Besides, the Z-Fighters could have prevented the Android/Cell arc before it even started, but chose not to. Then it was downhill from there as stupid decision upon stupid decision lead to the Cell Games and Goku getting needlessly killed. And that's not even taking into consideration the time travel shenanigans.

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