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Re: Super's manga by Toyotarō

Post by DragonHermit » Wed Jan 20, 2016 7:50 pm

I love Toriyama, but the name Salad is stupid af. Maybe he should have tried a variation of it like Salatto, Saladd, Slad. I'm getting pumped up though.

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Post by Wezenheim » Wed Jan 20, 2016 8:10 pm

I personally love Salad because it sounds stupid, but some are translating it as "Salada".

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Post by Chuquita » Wed Jan 20, 2016 8:17 pm

I'm calling it Planet Salad because I like that it sounds like a restaurant. :3

Also I can't help thinking of that one old Spongebob episode with the "Sal-lad" when I think of alternate ways to spell or say it.
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Re: Super's manga by Toyotarō

Post by LongLostSaiyan » Wed Jan 20, 2016 8:53 pm

Baggie_Saiyan wrote:
LongLostSaiyan wrote:For Kabe to even pose a threat he has to be either of these three things. Which one do you guys think he will be?

1: A SSGSS

2: A Saiyan form that is equal to or above a SSGSS ( Toriyama's version of a SS4 for an example, the gold looking fan made one)

3: A really powerful base form Saiyan that doesn't transform.
Or. 4. They can make him go up against Piccolo, thus eliminating the need to make him on level with Goku/Vegeta.

I think Toriyama is foreshadowing Kabe's fight with Vegeta from the conversation they had before. I'm thinking Piccolo might go up against Frost because he was the first to sense his presence and might ask him about it mid battle.

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Re: Super's manga by Toyotarō

Post by Chuquita » Wed Jan 20, 2016 9:07 pm

I thought it was neat how Vegeta actually got off on the right foot with someone for once.
I'm just imagining him being in like the happiest mood touring Planet Salad. XD
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Re: Super's manga by Toyotarō

Post by DBZGTKOSDH » Wed Jan 20, 2016 9:17 pm

TheDevilsCorpse wrote:Toriyama's decision to create Cabba and this new, potentially contradictory info on Saiyan history for both universes could have prompted the removal of Shenlong 's story about the Super Saiyan God's birth being on planet Vegeta in the series' adaptation of events.
How would that be contradictory to the Saiyan history that we have learned from Toriyama's works? There is no contradiction so far here from what I know, and it sounds more like Toriyama is OK with making contradictions because he is forgets things, not because he is doing it on purpose.
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Re: Super's manga by Toyotarō

Post by Wezenheim » Wed Jan 20, 2016 9:24 pm

I've been enjoying Vegeta's character a lot since Battle of Gods. Some of his antics in Super (anime) have been a bit too over the top, even for me, but I really like how he's been in the movies and the manga so far.

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Post by Noah » Wed Jan 20, 2016 9:59 pm

DragonHermit wrote:I love Toriyama, but the name Salad is stupid af. Maybe he should have tried a variation of it like Salatto, Saladd, Slad. I'm getting pumped up though
Yea, that's as one of my complaints earlier, a varation could really work better.
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Post by Retan » Wed Jan 20, 2016 10:03 pm

So I wonder you know how in U7 it's always said that the saiyan's weren't the best at populating the planet, or there were never that many of them... what if in U6 there are billions of saiyans, and they like to test each other as well as fight evil in the universe hence why Caba will be strong enough to fight Goku and Vegeta?

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Post by Chuquita » Wed Jan 20, 2016 10:08 pm

That would be grand if the Uni 6 saiyans are the opposite of Uni 7 in terms of populating their planet. They'd have entire megalopolis of cities because there'd be so many people.
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Post by TheDevilsCorpse » Wed Jan 20, 2016 10:09 pm

DBZGTKOSDH wrote:How would that be contradictory to the Saiyan history that we have learned from Toriyama's works? There is no contradiction so far here from what I know, and it sounds more like Toriyama is OK with making contradictions because he is forgets things, not because he is doing it on purpose.
I'm not saying there is a contradiction, but Battle of Gods said the Super Saiyan God was created on Planet Vegeta. We have zero evidence that any of the new material following the the film, beyond the 12 Universe concept, was on his mind while writing it. Now that we've had a second movie and are moving on to a new series, we're getting more world building. Toriyama could have decided it would be a better fit and changed the Super Saiyan God battle to be on Salad when he came up with Cabba all this new history (the "internal discord" thing does fit nicely), which would cause a contradiction with the film (but not Super, because they could have left out the Planet Vegeta info for this very reason).

Again, I'm not saying this is how it is. I'm not trying to tout it as a fact. It's purely hypothetical speculation.
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Re: Super's manga by Toyotarō

Post by nato25 » Thu Jan 21, 2016 2:09 am

Considering the events are slightly different in the movies and Super, you either pick one or the other for your continuity of course there will be contradictions if you try to mix both. I'm going to go with Super as that series is ongoing.

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Re: Super's manga by Toyotarō

Post by Khin » Thu Jan 21, 2016 2:13 am

nato25 wrote:Considering the events are slightly different in the movies and Super, you either pick one or the other for your continuity of course there will be contradictions if you try to mix both. I'm going to go with Super as that series is ongoing.
Depends,if Whis' training room,Gregory and other things that was shown in Super but wasn't shown in the movies will appear in the Champa Arc,then BOG and ROF arc is the continuation.

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Re: Super's manga by Toyotarō

Post by eledoremassis02 » Thu Jan 21, 2016 3:01 am

Chuquita wrote:I'm calling it Planet Salad because I like that it sounds like a restaurant. :3

Also I can't help thinking of that one old Spongebob episode with the "Sal-lad" when I think of alternate ways to spell or say it.
This got me thinking, like if they're universe they saiayans were exercised theme and lived on Planet Cruch and we have saiyans like Jog and squat xD

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Re: Super's manga by Toyotarō

Post by sailorspazz » Thu Jan 21, 2016 4:34 am

Noah wrote:
DragonHermit wrote:I love Toriyama, but the name Salad is stupid af. Maybe he should have tried a variation of it like Salatto, Saladd, Slad. I'm getting pumped up though
Yea, that's as one of my complaints earlier, a varation could really work better.
I don't really get the issue with the names...Dragon Ball names have always been silly. We're talking about a series where people are named after food, instruments, underwear, etc. Salad may be a bit on the nose ("hmm, let's see, a planet full of vegetable named people...ooh, I know, it's a fucking salad!"), but no less weird than most of the names we've already had. It's probably just one of those things that sounds strange at first, but once you get used to it, it doesn't stick out any more than any other name.

Having looked over the chapter and seen Cabba in action (as in, walking around and saying stuff, not fighting :P), though I thought it was possible for him to be a girl from last month's still images, I'd say he definitely looks solidly boyish here. Not to say he couldn't turn out to be a girl, since god knows traps are a staple of anime/manga, but I'm in the boy camp for now. And I'm really not sure how old he's supposed to be...is he a Saiyan teen right before a big growth spurt, or is he like Table and just looks super young as an adult?
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Post by TheDevilsCorpse » Thu Jan 21, 2016 4:45 am

sailorspazz wrote:And I'm really not sure how old he's supposed to be...is he a Saiyan teen right before a big growth spurt, or is he like Table and just looks super young as an adult?
Pure Saiyans don't have a "teen" phase. They stay children till puberty and then spurt into their adult body. So unless he is literally in the middle of that quick growth spurt right now, he's already an adult.
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Re: Super's manga by Toyotarō

Post by Kakarotto92 » Thu Jan 21, 2016 4:55 am

Gyt Kaliba wrote:Maybe the good Saiyans, since they probably spent less time just going about slaughtering things for the hell of it on the planet, had actually started developing higher levels of technology over time? If they never left their own planet prior to this, it's possible the brutality of the evil Saiyans actually kinda wrecked havoc on the planet itself, and the good ones may have been planning to ditch the evil one's on their dying home world, only for things to work out pretty much the entire opposite way in the end.
emperior wrote:My idea is that Saiyans were visited/invaded by other aliens with their space-ships, so on Universe 7 the few survivor of Planet Salad destruction were able to go to Planet Plant by using the stolen spaceships. Probably if U6 Saiyan have technology it would mostly be because they stole from evil races they wiped.
Zelvin wrote:As for Saiyans, they may've developed space flight for the sole purpose of finding other races to fight. Our space program isn't anything worth noting. The difference being, even if theirs was only slightly better than ours, they have the benefit of living very long lives and can afford to spend time in transit to a new world. It's also possible the ship they used wasn't their own, and just one that belonged to another people who may've landed there to make first contact...and were killed by the warlike Saiyans. It's more than likely Saiyans only learned how a space ship functions and not how to construct one themselves. I can use a microwave and drive a car with the best of'em. Doesn't mean I know how to build them and put them together. All I know is one needs electricity and the other needs gas. However else it works may as well be magic to me.
Sounds plausible. Hopefully the anime adaptation will flesh out things a bit more than the manga and give us some sort of flashback.

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Re: Super's manga by Toyotarō

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sailorspazz wrote:And I'm really not sure how old he's supposed to be...is he a Saiyan teen right before a big growth spurt, or is he like Table and just looks super young as an adult?
Pure Saiyans don't have a "teen" phase. They stay children till puberty and then spurt into their adult body. So unless he is literally in the middle of that quick growth spurt right now, he's already an adult.
Or U6 Saiyans work differently. We already know they've evolved to not need their tails. Perhaps their evolution could have affected other aspects of the species as well.
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Re: Super's manga by Toyotarō

Post by TheDevilsCorpse » Thu Jan 21, 2016 7:18 am

That's entirely possible, but until such difference on the matter is suggested (like the tails), applying Universe 7's Saiyan traits to Universe 6's is all we can do.
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Re: Super's manga by Toyotarō

Post by alakazam^ » Thu Jan 21, 2016 8:09 am

DragonHermit wrote:I love Toriyama, but the name Salad is stupid af. Maybe he should have tried a variation of it like Salatto, Saladd, Slad. I'm getting pumped up though.

I also think the tournament will probably not finish.
You could write it as "Salada", it probably doesn't sound stupid to English speakers.

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