So Broly is going to fight Goku and Vegeta in a Glacier without anything to cover his torso? What a fanservice lol
Baggie_Saiyan wrote:YES! SSG SSG, SSGSS and hopefully UI too in thie film!
Wut? When did you suddenly became a SSJG fan? People know you in this forum for being the biggest SSJ Blue fan here, having a 500+ pics collection and such
Also Toei confirmed the REAL movie poster:
[spoiler][/spoiler]
Power levels are not just big numbers:
Spoiler:
Power levels establish tension and drama. People who care about them (well, people who care about them in a narrative) don't care about the big numbers or the fancy explosions. If you have character A who's so much above character B, who's the main character, you're gonna be left wondering how in the hell character B, the character we're supposed to care and root for, is going to escape the situation or overcome the odds. It makes us emotionally invested.
If character B doesn't escape the situation in a believable way that's consistent with previous events, then that emotional investment is gone. It was pointless tension, pointless drama made just to suck in the viewer. It has no critical value whatsoever. The audience is left believing that the author can just create whatever scenarios he wants and what happens to the characters is decided by whatever the author wants to happen, regardless of the events that happened in the story. Which, in fairness, is what happens, but the audience wants to be fooled. The audience wants to know that the world they're following has rules. That the world they're invested in isn't going to bend to external factors that are irrelevant to them.
An author can do whatever he wants with the characters, that's not false. But the author should also have the responsibility to make sure it fits in cohesively with the other events in the narrative he has created.
Ki Breaker wrote:
Yet he always gets one whenever he is absent?
Often as an ongoing gag. That's fine. I like Gohan gags.
My point is that I'm not going to lose any sleep over his possible exclusion, and neither should anyone else who doesn't just want him lumped in for fanservice. I want the characters that play a role within the narrative, the characters that Toriyama feels like dedicating time to for this specific film. If Gohan isn't one of them, I couldn't care less about seeing him for extended periods of time.
Right. If Gohan doesn't serve to further the plot in some capacity he shouldn't be shoved in there in an inorganic way just to satisfy the Gohan fans who haven't yet realized his day in the sun has long since been over.
Spoiler:
Super carries on much of Dragon Ball and Z's charm in ways that might not immediately be obvious, while also bringing something new to the table. I certainly can't think of any previous arcs like Goku Black, and, for all its problems, the Tournament of Power is possibly the most ambitious storytelling endeavor in series history as far as how its narrative unfolds. It's also a thrill ride, which is all I wanted and exactly what I got. Super also canonizes decades old fan theories in ways that very naturally tie into the overall fabric of Dragon Ball's world in satisfying ways. All in all, Dragon Ball, Z, and Super are all well worth experiencing.
Baggie_Saiyan wrote:YES! SSG SSG, SSGSS and hopefully UI too in thie film!
Wut? When did you suddenly became a SSJG fan? People know you in this forum for being the biggest SSJ Blue fan here, having a 500+ pics collection and such
While it's true a love SSGSS I've always been a fan of SSG too! Just seemed dead until Toei brought it back last year.
In fact my 3rd ever post on Kanzenhuu was:
"Hi, those who have watched this film
How was SSG? I am a big fan of this design"
(I didn't even use full stops then... What the hell!)
V-jump comes out soon and the new trailers will most likely give us a solid idea of the direction is going to take, so I'm going to hold off on deep speculation until we have more facts.
So here's my low-fact crack theory based on nothing: Broly and Chelye will hook up by the end of the movie. Saiyans do like strong women.
Baggie_Saiyan wrote:
BlueBasilisk wrote:
I won't be surprised if he gets Green Super Saiyan 2 like Kale did or even 3. Bandai would die for the chance to push more SS3 Broly merch.
I am kinda excited but nervous for next month, Banpy probably won't let us down but Bandai I would not be surprised if they made an entire gashapon line for Broly, movie stuff, heroes stuff, old Z stuff etc. I just can't believe they bloody got their wish, these next few months after the movie are gonna be hell!
Knowing Bandai they'll make a Super Broly line that's all Gokus and Vegitos except for one random-ass character who is in no way related to anything like Salza.
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AnimeNation101 wrote:
1. LSSJ doesn’t exist as a form in DBS, so him having LSSJ technically is adding a new form. Let alone a form thats just like Kale’s. And it would make sense if the forms has different names because they’re the same form.
2. Vegeta never said that. All he said was, “That my be the saiyan’s true form”. And he said this in response to Kale. He was saying that the Berserk SSJ form might be Kale’s true form. Nothing more, nothing less. I don’t know how you got that from this.
Goku talked about LSSJ in 113/114 episode preview.
No. He didn’t. LSSJ was NEVER mentioned in Dragon Ball Super
OK, he talked about lssj. In Japanese there is no uppercase, so it doesn't matter at all. But that was about Kale, so it was not a coincidence.
PFM18 wrote:
Right. If Gohan doesn't serve to further the plot in some capacity he shouldn't be shoved in there in an inorganic way just to satisfy the Gohan fans who haven't yet realized his day in the sun has long since been over.
That does seem to be the underlying motive here. The fact that one of them is already venting about my post on their Twitter account because they couldn't address me on the forum just says everything, really.
It's not even that I'm against the idea of Gohan being included in the film. If he has a role to play, great! If he doesn't, and if his inclusion doesn't feel substantial, I'd rather not waste much screentime on him. He's hardly a necessity.
Eh I don't think Gohan needs to be in the movie honestly, and I like him and want him to do better. We already seem to have a dual story thing with a past story and a present story going on simultaneously. I think that's enough characters as is. Just as long as the whole cheer squad doesn't show up without em, then I got no problem.
Why Dragon Ball Consistency in something such as power levels matter!
Spoiler:
Doctor. wrote:I've explained before, I'll just paraphrase myself.
Power levels establish tension and drama. People who care about them (well, people who care about them in a narrative) don't care about the big numbers or the fancy explosions. If you have character A who's so much above character B, who's the main character, you're gonna be left wondering how in the hell character B, the character we're supposed to care and root for, is going to escape the situation or overcome the odds. It makes us emotionally invested.
If character B doesn't escape the situation in a believable way that's consistent with previous events, then that emotional investment is gone. It was pointless tension, pointless drama made just to suck in the viewer. It has no critical value whatsoever. The audience is left believing that the author can just create whatever scenarios he wants and what happens to the characters is decided by whatever the author wants to happen, regardless of the events that happened in the story. Which, in fairness, is what happens, but the audience wants to be fooled. The audience wants to know that the world they're following has rules. That the world they're invested in isn't going to bend to external factors that are irrelevant to them.
An author can do whatever he wants with the characters, that's not false. But the author should also have the responsibility to make sure it fits in cohesively with the other events in the narrative he has created.
dbzfan7 wrote:Eh I don't think Gohan needs to be in the movie honestly, and I like him and want him to do better. We already seem to have a dual story thing with a past story and a present story going on simultaneously. I think that's enough characters as is. Just as long as the whole cheer squad doesn't show up without em, then I got no problem.
I don't think he would tie into the story well given the emphasis on Saiyans and their history when he is only half Saiyan. There will probably be several flashbacks and exposition about Saiyan characters that elaborate on the history and how things unfolded up until now, and I have no idea how Gohan could fit very well into such a story. Again, he is no longer the secondary protagonist anymore either. Vegeta has taken his spot in that role in DBS.
Spoiler:
Super carries on much of Dragon Ball and Z's charm in ways that might not immediately be obvious, while also bringing something new to the table. I certainly can't think of any previous arcs like Goku Black, and, for all its problems, the Tournament of Power is possibly the most ambitious storytelling endeavor in series history as far as how its narrative unfolds. It's also a thrill ride, which is all I wanted and exactly what I got. Super also canonizes decades old fan theories in ways that very naturally tie into the overall fabric of Dragon Ball's world in satisfying ways. All in all, Dragon Ball, Z, and Super are all well worth experiencing.
Vegeta_Sama wrote:So, from what I gathered, people are speculating that in this movie, aside frim Broly, we're also gonna see: Bardock, Gogeta, AND SS4? Yeah, I don't think so. Bardock is likely, since this movie is about saiyans, maybe he'll be in a flashback. Gogeta? Eh, maybe, if we go by the theory of the 3 movies they advertised. But if we get either of these 2, or both, we won't get SS4, otherwise this will be called Dragon Ball Heroes instead of Dragon Ball Broly.
Yeah. You need to open ur mind. It seems you haven’t learned from this reveal young or old one. It doesn’t matter. Toei and Toriyama promised tons of fan-service. All someone has to do is mention something to Toriyama and bam, it can get in if he likes the idea. Broly coming back is already DBH level. This reveal has shown that Toriyama doesn’t care. If he finds an idea interesting, he might give it a go. And if this is a movie about saiyans, SSJ4 is at the top of the list for transformations that have a chance getting in. And between the SSJ4 eyes in the teaser, tails being re-introduced, and the poster having SSJ4-levels of eye-liner around the pupil-less eyes, SSJ4 has a huge chance of getting in.
I called it that Gogeta, Bardock, and something Broly related would be in the movie before it was even announced that it was a Broly movie.
"I don't think I'm a hero of justice or anythin'. But those who'd hurt my friends... I won't forgive!"
Vegeta_Sama wrote:So, from what I gathered, people are speculating that in this movie, aside frim Broly, we're also gonna see: Bardock, Gogeta, AND SS4? Yeah, I don't think so. Bardock is likely, since this movie is about saiyans, maybe he'll be in a flashback. Gogeta? Eh, maybe, if we go by the theory of the 3 movies they advertised. But if we get either of these 2, or both, we won't get SS4, otherwise this will be called Dragon Ball Heroes instead of Dragon Ball Broly.
Yeah. You need to open ur mind. It seems you haven’t learned from this reveal young or old one. It doesn’t matter. Toei and Toriyama promised tons of fan-service. All someone has to do is mention something to Toriyama and bam, it can get in if he likes the idea. Broly coming back is already DBH level. This reveal has shown that Toriyama doesn’t care. If he finds an idea interesting, he might give it a go. And if this is a movie about saiyans, SSJ4 is at the top of the list for transformations that have a chance getting in. And between the SSJ4 eyes in the teaser, tails being re-introduced, and the poster having SSJ4-levels of eye-liner around the pupil-less eyes, SSJ4 has a huge chance of getting in.
I'm not saying those things can never happen, just that it's highly unlikely that they'll all happen in the same movie. Toei is smarter than that
Vegeta_Sama wrote:So, from what I gathered, people are speculating that in this movie, aside frim Broly, we're also gonna see: Bardock, Gogeta, AND SS4? Yeah, I don't think so. Bardock is likely, since this movie is about saiyans, maybe he'll be in a flashback. Gogeta? Eh, maybe, if we go by the theory of the 3 movies they advertised. But if we get either of these 2, or both, we won't get SS4, otherwise this will be called Dragon Ball Heroes instead of Dragon Ball Broly.
Yeah. You need to open ur mind. It seems you haven’t learned from this reveal young or old one. It doesn’t matter. Toei and Toriyama promised tons of fan-service. All someone has to do is mention something to Toriyama and bam, it can get in if he likes the idea. Broly coming back is already DBH level. This reveal has shown that Toriyama doesn’t care. If he finds an idea interesting, he might give it a go. And if this is a movie about saiyans, SSJ4 is at the top of the list for transformations that have a chance getting in. And between the SSJ4 eyes in the teaser, tails being re-introduced, and the poster having SSJ4-levels of eye-liner around the pupil-less eyes, SSJ4 has a huge chance of getting in.
Broly doesn't come back, he comes for the first time.
Shounen wrote:
Goku talked about LSSJ in 113/114 episode preview.
No. He didn’t. LSSJ was NEVER mentioned in Dragon Ball Super
OK, he talked about lssj. In Japanese there is no uppercase, so it doesn't matter at all. But that was about Kale, so it was not a coincidence.
You’re still wrong. He didn’t mention the TRANSFORMATION. Just like they’ve done many other times in dragon ball, they just used the adjective “legendary” to describe Kale’s power. They did not use legendary as if Goku was saying the title of a form. And of course out of any adjective they could have used, they used to word legendary as homage to the movie form LSSJ. So no. The transformation of LSSJ was NEVER mentioned in Super.
I called it that Gogeta, Bardock, and something Broly related would be in the movie before it was even announced that it was a Broly movie.
"I don't think I'm a hero of justice or anythin'. But those who'd hurt my friends... I won't forgive!"
Vegeta_Sama wrote:So, from what I gathered, people are speculating that in this movie, aside frim Broly, we're also gonna see: Bardock, Gogeta, AND SS4? Yeah, I don't think so. Bardock is likely, since this movie is about saiyans, maybe he'll be in a flashback. Gogeta? Eh, maybe, if we go by the theory of the 3 movies they advertised. But if we get either of these 2, or both, we won't get SS4, otherwise this will be called Dragon Ball Heroes instead of Dragon Ball Broly.
Yeah. You need to open ur mind. It seems you haven’t learned from this reveal young or old one. It doesn’t matter. Toei and Toriyama promised tons of fan-service. All someone has to do is mention something to Toriyama and bam, it can get in if he likes the idea. Broly coming back is already DBH level. This reveal has shown that Toriyama doesn’t care. If he finds an idea interesting, he might give it a go. And if this is a movie about saiyans, SSJ4 is at the top of the list for transformations that have a chance getting in. And between the SSJ4 eyes in the teaser, tails being re-introduced, and the poster having SSJ4-levels of eye-liner around the pupil-less eyes, SSJ4 has a huge chance of getting in.
Broly doesn't come back, he comes for the first time.
Bringing a character that died in a Dragon Ball continuity to be featured in a movie from a different continuity can count as Toei bringing a character back. Of course, in-universe, he’s new. But out of universe, he’s just a different version of Broly. Still Broly though.
Its like how people say they brought Broly back in Bio-Broly but he’s not even the original Broly from the first 2 movies. He’s a different version. But it still counts as bringing him back.
I called it that Gogeta, Bardock, and something Broly related would be in the movie before it was even announced that it was a Broly movie.
"I don't think I'm a hero of justice or anythin'. But those who'd hurt my friends... I won't forgive!"
BrolyKale wrote:Bio Broly is a clone, he has the same backstory and everything. But the new Broly won't be the same, so he is actually pretty new for us too.
Bio Broly doesn’t have the same backstory at all. Bio Broly was made from Broly’s blood. Thats his backstory. And for the new Broly, its still the case of them bringing a character back.
I called it that Gogeta, Bardock, and something Broly related would be in the movie before it was even announced that it was a Broly movie.
"I don't think I'm a hero of justice or anythin'. But those who'd hurt my friends... I won't forgive!"
BrolyKale wrote:Bio Broly is a clone, he has the same backstory and everything. But the new Broly won't be the same, so he is actually pretty new for us too.
Bio Broly doesn’t have the same backstory at all. Bio Broly was made from Broly’s blood. Thats his backstory. And for the new Broly, its still the case of them bringing a character back.
BrolyKale wrote:Bio Broly is a clone, he has the same backstory and everything. But the new Broly won't be the same, so he is actually pretty new for us too.
Bio Broly doesn’t have the same backstory at all. Bio Broly was made from Broly’s blood. Thats his backstory. And for the new Broly, its still the case of them bringing a character back.
He's not really bring "brought back" as much as he is going to be rebooted altogether. This is an entirely new Broly that will be different to the point where people will have to say "DBZ Broly" or "DBS Broly" to distinguish between the two Broly's probably. Essentially he will be a different, new character than the other Broly, but in a literal sense they are "bringing back Broly."
Spoiler:
Super carries on much of Dragon Ball and Z's charm in ways that might not immediately be obvious, while also bringing something new to the table. I certainly can't think of any previous arcs like Goku Black, and, for all its problems, the Tournament of Power is possibly the most ambitious storytelling endeavor in series history as far as how its narrative unfolds. It's also a thrill ride, which is all I wanted and exactly what I got. Super also canonizes decades old fan theories in ways that very naturally tie into the overall fabric of Dragon Ball's world in satisfying ways. All in all, Dragon Ball, Z, and Super are all well worth experiencing.
Ki Breaker wrote:
Yet he always gets one whenever he is absent?
Often as an ongoing gag. That's fine. I like Gohan gags.
My point is that I'm not going to lose any sleep over his possible exclusion, and neither should anyone else who doesn't just want him lumped in for fanservice. I want the characters that play a role within the narrative, the characters that Toriyama feels like dedicating time to for this specific film. If Gohan isn't one of them, I couldn't care less about seeing him for extended periods of time.
Right. If Gohan doesn't serve to further the plot in some capacity he shouldn't be shoved in there in an inorganic way just to satisfy the Gohan fans who haven't yet realized his day in the sun has long since been over.
Gohan has a lot of fans, his exclusion should be touched upon, which I am sure will be done..
Even with no interest towards him whatsoever, This shouldn't be too hard to understand,
if it still is, I suggest checking this out..
If the idea is he is a "side character" who needs no explanation when he just disappears, I think the provided link will suffice to show how this sentiment is received overall as well, the very idea of this happening is a butt of jokes..
The Lord moves in mysterious ways but you don't have to. Please use your blinker
AnimeNation101 wrote:
No. He didn’t. LSSJ was NEVER mentioned in Dragon Ball Super
OK, he talked about lssj. In Japanese there is no uppercase, so it doesn't matter at all. But that was about Kale, so it was not a coincidence.
You’re still wrong. He didn’t mention the TRANSFORMATION. Just like they’ve done many other times in dragon ball, they just used the adjective “legendary” to describe Kale’s power. They did not use legendary as if Goku was saying the title of a form. And of course out of any adjective they could have used, they used to word legendary as homage to the movie form LSSJ. So no. The transformation of LSSJ was NEVER mentioned in Super.
Do I say anything about "transformation" word? Goku said "伝説の超サイヤ人" which means either ordinary legendarny Super Saiyan or transformation name. That's all.
I want Gohan in the movie just for him to say: " ブロイ！ あなたはまだ生きていますか？"
Power levels are not just big numbers:
Spoiler:
Power levels establish tension and drama. People who care about them (well, people who care about them in a narrative) don't care about the big numbers or the fancy explosions. If you have character A who's so much above character B, who's the main character, you're gonna be left wondering how in the hell character B, the character we're supposed to care and root for, is going to escape the situation or overcome the odds. It makes us emotionally invested.
If character B doesn't escape the situation in a believable way that's consistent with previous events, then that emotional investment is gone. It was pointless tension, pointless drama made just to suck in the viewer. It has no critical value whatsoever. The audience is left believing that the author can just create whatever scenarios he wants and what happens to the characters is decided by whatever the author wants to happen, regardless of the events that happened in the story. Which, in fairness, is what happens, but the audience wants to be fooled. The audience wants to know that the world they're following has rules. That the world they're invested in isn't going to bend to external factors that are irrelevant to them.
An author can do whatever he wants with the characters, that's not false. But the author should also have the responsibility to make sure it fits in cohesively with the other events in the narrative he has created.
SSG, SSGSS and hopefully UI too in thie film!
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