Dragon Ball: Evolution- Speculation and Discussion

Tenshinhan-san · Post by **Tenshinhan-san** » Fri Apr 17, 2009 6:47 pm

Saiyan-Professor wrote: Apparently, you walked into the theatre looking for faults and you let a line that many feel “bastardized Goku” prevent you from seeing the growth of the character.

Now I can talk only for myself, but I wasn't looking for faults. I was looking for Dragonball, but never found any.

Taku128 · Post by **Taku128** » Fri Apr 17, 2009 6:51 pm

Saiyan-Professor wrote:People are all different; in light of the nature and spirit of the shows and movies, here in America the majority seems to like the “emo/angst” stuff.

Evolution's box office results beg to differ.

Innagadadavida · Post by **Innagadadavida** » Fri Apr 17, 2009 7:22 pm

Taku128 wrote:
Saiyan-Professor wrote:People are all different; in light of the nature and spirit of the shows and movies, here in America the majority seems to like the “emo/angst” stuff.
Evolution's box office results beg to differ.

Critics of Fox's marketing strategies in the States beg to differ.

Taku128 · Post by **Taku128** » Fri Apr 17, 2009 7:25 pm

Innagadadavida wrote:
Taku128 wrote:
Saiyan-Professor wrote:People are all different; in light of the nature and spirit of the shows and movies, here in America the majority seems to like the “emo/angst” stuff.
Evolution's box office results beg to differ.
Critics of Fox's marketing strategies in the States beg to differ.

There were plenty of ads on Nickelodeon and Cartoon Network from what I've heard.

omegacwa · Post by **omegacwa** » Fri Apr 17, 2009 7:36 pm

Mr. Announcer wrote:
omegacwa wrote:I hate your posts dude(Tenshinhan-san). They are all overly negative and almost as if you are attacking the other posters.

You also, and some other people on here, appear to have very narrow vision, as if that one segment of the movie when Goku complains about not having friends and wanting to be normal, by the way it's less then three minutes of the whole film, IS THE WHOLE MOVIE.

Yeah, it was out of character for Goku. But it really is only a short segment of the movie that can be quickly, and easily mind you, be ignored. Other than that moment, and a few other brief scenes Goku comes off in the movie as being very confident, eager, and almost asshole like.

The movie as a whole is flawed, but to crucify it for one scene is lunacy., yet I constantly see people bringing up that scene like it's the whole movie.
Yeah, except these were some of Chatku's very first lines in the movie and the most telling of anything he actually felt (for the rest of the movie he's a piece of cardboard). Anyone ever tell you how important first impressions are? The introduction of a character sets the basis for how the viewer defines them and I don't think it was any accident that they were trying to portray Chatku as the awkward, troubled teen in the first part of the movie. That's how they WANT us to see him.

I understand that first impression are important, but to me, someone already initiated to Goku's true personality, I can quickly ignore his "emo angsty" three lines and just look for things I enjoy about the movie. People are dwelling too much on this stuff. I watched the movie, took what I liked, ignored the stuff I didn't, and everything was honkey doory.

I don't mean to attack anyone. Tenshinhan-san, I don't know you as a person, and for all I know we could be friends in a real life situation. I just don't understand why people can be so fiercely against something that can't be changed now. The movie is done and "buried". Just forget it if you hated it. That's what I would do. Telling people that their belief about something is wrong and that they should agree with you isn't going to go anywhere. For instance, I liked Spiderman 3 even with it's flaws, but I am not going to tell people to love it, I tried and failed at it and now I just don't care. If you didn't like DB:E that's cool, a lot of people didn't, but you shouldn't be saying people are stupid for liking it. People have differing opinions, it's part of what makes us unique.

I understand that I have tried to sway peoples opinions on this matter toward the positive. I am not innocent. I liked the movie. I didn't love it. But some how I can look past it's flaws, something most seem to be unable to do, and just enjoy it as a stupid romp based off something I really love.

laserkid · Post by **laserkid** » Fri Apr 17, 2009 7:44 pm

Notice how the only defense is critics of the marketing style, not even critics of the film.

Innagadadavida · Post by **Innagadadavida** » Fri Apr 17, 2009 7:54 pm

laserkid wrote:Notice how the only defense is critics of the marketing style, not even critics of the film.

I wasn't defending the film. I was defending the lackluster sales. I do believe that if they had marketed this film correctly then kids would have rushed out to see it. It is a kids movie, after all.

FuniYamcha · Post by **FuniYamcha** » Fri Apr 17, 2009 8:53 pm

Innagadadavida wrote:
laserkid wrote:Notice how the only defense is critics of the marketing style, not even critics of the film.
I wasn't defending the film. I was defending the lackluster sales. I do believe that if they had marketed this film correctly then kids would have rushed out to see it. It is a kids movie, after all.

Yeah, as much as those here dislike the film, kids pretty much enjoy anything. I recall watching Space Jam all those years ago and thinking it was one of the best movies ever...Until I rewatched it recently. To quote Sailor Moon from TFS, "OH DEAR GOD!!!"

Innagadadavida · Post by **Innagadadavida** » Fri Apr 17, 2009 9:10 pm

FuniYamcha wrote: Yeah, as much as those here dislike the film, kids pretty much enjoy anything. I recall watching Space Jam all those years ago and thinking it was one of the best movies ever...Until I rewatched it recently. To quote Sailor Moon from TFS, "OH DEAR GOD!!!"

Very very true. I'm constantly comparing Dragon Ball Evolution with the Power Rangers Movie from 96 (the one about the goo that turned kids into zombies). It had a ridiculous plot, there was lots of over-the-top action, and I LOVED IT.

MajinVejitaXV · Post by **MajinVejitaXV** » Fri Apr 17, 2009 10:25 pm

Well, unless something happens, it looks like DBE won't be breaking even. I wonder if Fox will recant on that sequel promise.

-Corey

KKZ · Post by **KKZ** » Fri Apr 17, 2009 10:28 pm

If DB:E doesn't break even, I'll be a little dissapointed. I believe a sequel would work way better than this first offering.

BlueSky · Post by **Kaboom** » Fri Apr 17, 2009 10:30 pm

MajinVejitaXV wrote:Well, unless something happens, it looks like DBE won't be breaking even. I wonder if Fox will recant on that sequel promise.

-Corey

From the looks of it, they weren't expecting it to be all that successful anyway. I'd bet sequel plans will still move forward.

Saiyan-Professor · Post by **Saiyan-Professor** » Fri Apr 17, 2009 10:31 pm

MajinVejitaXV wrote:Well, unless something happens, it looks like DBE won't be breaking even. I wonder if Fox will recant on that sequel promise.

-Corey

You also have merchandise and DVD sales to account for.

MajinVejitaXV · Post by **MajinVejitaXV** » Fri Apr 17, 2009 10:32 pm

SSj Kaboom wrote:
MajinVejitaXV wrote:Well, unless something happens, it looks like DBE won't be breaking even. I wonder if Fox will recant on that sequel promise.

-Corey
From the looks of it, they weren't expecting it to be all that successful anyway. I'd bet sequel plans will still move forward.

Successful? No. Breaking even with a small margin of profit? Yes.

Seriously, I can almost guarantee that if the movie doesn't break even at least, especially after DVD sales are factored, it won't have a sequel. At this point, it's still about 7 mil from hitting the even point, which makes it doable but less likely with each day that passes.

-Corey

Saiyan-Professor · Post by **Saiyan-Professor** » Fri Apr 17, 2009 10:36 pm

MajinVejitaXV wrote:
SSj Kaboom wrote:
MajinVejitaXV wrote:Well, unless something happens, it looks like DBE won't be breaking even. I wonder if Fox will recant on that sequel promise.

-Corey
From the looks of it, they weren't expecting it to be all that successful anyway. I'd bet sequel plans will still move forward.
Successful? No. Breaking even with a small margin of profit? Yes.

Seriously, I can almost guarantee that if the movie doesn't break even at least, especially after DVD sales are factored, it won't have a sequel. At this point, it's still about 7 mil from hitting the even point, which makes it doable but less likely with each day that passes.

-Corey

Then the evil haters would have won, it will truly be a “sad day in Whoville”.

Dr. Casey · Post by **Dr. Casey** » Fri Apr 17, 2009 10:42 pm

Nah. It's primarily the fault of Fox and their nonexistent advertising.

Budokai23 · Post by **Budokai23** » Fri Apr 17, 2009 10:43 pm

MajinVejitaXV wrote:
SSj Kaboom wrote:
MajinVejitaXV wrote:Well, unless something happens, it looks like DBE won't be breaking even. I wonder if Fox will recant on that sequel promise.

-Corey
From the looks of it, they weren't expecting it to be all that successful anyway. I'd bet sequel plans will still move forward.
Successful? No. Breaking even with a small margin of profit? Yes.

Seriously, I can almost guarantee that if the movie doesn't break even at least, especially after DVD sales are factored, it won't have a sequel. At this point, it's still about 7 mil from hitting the even point, which makes it doable but less likely with each day that passes.

-Corey

Actually it's only 2 million away from breaking its profit.

Pain · Post by **Pain** » Fri Apr 17, 2009 10:46 pm

Dr. Casey wrote:Nah. It's primarily the fault of Fox and their nonexistent advertising.

They literally "advertised to the kids". I only saw trailers on Nickelodeon and CartoonNetwork. Both are kids' networks. Yep, I like to state the obvious.

MajinVejitaXV · Post by **MajinVejitaXV** » Fri Apr 17, 2009 10:53 pm

Budokai23 wrote:Actually it's only 2 million away from breaking its profit.

The budget was $45 million? Sorry, I thought I had read $50 million.

-Corey

Pain · Post by **Pain** » Fri Apr 17, 2009 10:54 pm

MajinVejitaXV wrote:
Budokai23 wrote:Actually it's only 2 million away from breaking its profit.
The budget was $45 million? Sorry, I thought I had read $50 million.

-Corey

I thought Budokai23 said that it was $30 million?!!