"Dragon Ball Super (Manga)" Official Discussion Thread

[Noah]

Another meh chapter, art was okay and I think it was kinda clever for Granola to use a clone to measure Goku power, but still pretty lame for the same points addressed on the lastest ten pages. What to expect next? Well, Vegeta will outperform Granola in every way possible, not only finally proving his superiority to his rival, but also making the antagonist revenge useless as Vegeta makes a speech that in the end it doesn't matter if Granola knows all the skills of the universe if he's no experienced build up warrior like himself.

Yeah sure, like Toyotaro would have the guts to do something like this he will be beaten way worse than Goku, that's already written in the stars.

Maybe some Sharingan-esque Genjutsu.

He does have the eye, it could be a huge nod to Naruto, although a lot of people would probably complain and say it's a rip off.

Sure, like Naruto never ever ripped off any concept from Dragon Ball, right?

Why are we still doing this thing where Goku and Vegeta take turns fighting their opponent? It’s so tiresome at this point.

Because Toyotaro and also Toriyama seems to be stuck in a concept that they could get rid off in Ressurection of F: Goku and Vegeta could have defeated Freeza easily if they fought him together and even acknowledged that... but nah let's keep this bullsh*t Saiyan pride trend and have them fail over and over again...

The Super manga is basically just tired fanfiction at this point. If the anime ever comes back and adapts these stories, they need a huge overhaul.

I don't think they will adapt these stories, Toei cares much about ratings to do something like that.

Goku is only going to get better at UI as the story moves on but that creates a problem because they will need to create antagonists that can counter UI even as Goku gets better and better at it

I think they need to stop selling stuff as the most optimal and unbeatable form. UI sounded amazing on paper but it really can’t be if they want the story to continue...

Your post is kinda sad cause is true, UI is in fact one of the greatest transformations/techniques we ever had in the series, but I don't see how the story would continue without enemies being stronger than that... So yeah things might get weird in the future with random nobodies being able to one shot Goku at his peak.

[Skar]

Spoiler:

Oh Boy. This Image is Low Quality but that is one CRISP Volume Cover. I love how Granolah has his stun gun holstered, reminds me of an old western stand off, which this whole arc kinda is at this point if you think about it.

Wow great cover .

I don't think they will adapt these stories, Toei cares much about ratings to do something like that.

What would make you think the Moro and Granolah arcs would have worse ratings than Copy Vegeta and movie retellings? There are mangas out there that sell less than the DBS manga but still get anime adaptations so it's unlikely Toei would ignore these arcs. I don't think Toei could ignore them if they wanted to since Toriyama is involved.

[JulieYBM]

Really getting tired of folks using 'fan fic' as a pejorative. Fan fiction is written by adults, too, y'know. Many fan fiction authors go on to create official stories, too!

Like...what does 'tired fan fiction' even fucking mean? That's like saying Dragon Ball Super is 'tired mystery thriller'.

[PurestEvil]

Really getting tired of folks using 'fan fic' as a pejorative. Fan fiction is written by adults, too, y'know. Many fan fiction authors go on to create official stories, too!

Like...what does 'tired fan fiction' even fucking mean? That's like saying Dragon Ball Super is 'tired mystery thriller'.

FACTS. "It reads like a fan fic" by itself is a nebulous and weak criticism that A) is often used to discredit a section (especially a significant one) of a series/franchise one does not like, B) unfairly handwaves the merits of any of story's elements with a wide brush, and C) disregards the fact that there are GOOD fan fiction stories!
Not saying you cannot hate Super for whatever outlandish thing it does in regards to the plot (I share a lot of those grievances)...but use more precise criticism fcol.

[Gt91]

First draft

https://twitter.com/DbsHype1/status/141 ... 54/photo/1

[Skar]

Really getting tired of folks using 'fan fic' as a pejorative. Fan fiction is written by adults, too, y'know. Many fan fiction authors go on to create official stories, too!

Like...what does 'tired fan fiction' even fucking mean? That's like saying Dragon Ball Super is 'tired mystery thriller'.

I think it's unfair if it's used without context since it doesn't really explain what's being criticized. There were some ideas and execution that have been used in fanfiction before and I felt the professional versions had about as much effort put into them. Even then some fans liked them back then and some didn't so the same would happen now.

Fanfiction is just stories written by fans so it could be good or bad like any story. It's usually what fans would like to see so most of the time there's more fan service and "wish fulfillment" than what you would expect from a professional series. I think that's why many modern revivals and sequels are sometimes compared to fanfiction because the original series is so old that the professionals working on it now were fans growing up and adding what they've always wanted to see.

[Marz]

I don't think they will adapt these stories, Toei cares much about ratings to do something like that.

If Toei cared that much about ratings then the anime wouldn't go past Future Trunks, since the anime's ratings peaked in the first episode of the arc and never recovered after that (with disappointing numbers even with the hyped 109-110 special). Not to mention the fact that it's silly to assume any adaptation of a story in this format wouldn't be a hit among DB's fanbase (even more so when adapting the most famous manga arc, which is Moro's)

[UpFromTheSkies]

Can anyone translate the draft?

[Yuji]

Can anyone translate the draft?

Vegeta tells Granolah he no longer works for Freeza and that they're enemies.

[LightBing]

I think Vegeta will absolutely trounce Granolah.

Last arc Toyotarõ had to pull an deux Ex machina for Moro to defeat him and give Goku a "power of friendship" to finish the villain.

[Koitsukai]

I have a feeling this fight will last like 3 and a half pages at most, and something or someone will interrupt it.

[Xeogran]

I have a feeling this fight will last like 3 and a half pages at most, and something or someone will interrupt it.

I'm hoping for a full chapter, Toyotaro must show just what tricks Vegeta has with Hakai now. The interruptions will start from next month (or even from the cliffhanger here)

[UpFromTheSkies]

I have a feeling this fight will last like 3 and a half pages at most, and something or someone will interrupt it.

I'm hoping Vegeta has the upper hand and is about to destroy Granolah and Goku stops him.

[jd55513]

Let's hope the secrets of the wish are revealed this chapter. I wanna see the confirmation of Hakai and UI for Granolah. Now that Granolah is fighting a Hakai user, it's fitting to see his Hakai against Vegeta.
Then if Vegeta overpowers Granolah, have Granolah calm down and activate UI as the splash page and climax

[TKA]

To Toriyama's credit, he doesn't do the thing that I think American creators have a habit of doing and "cuddlying" popular character. At least not with Vegeta. It takes a loooooooong time for Vegeta to get over his bullshit and become a somewhat decent person. Hell, he becomes objectively worse once he becomes a Super Saiyan and drops the cold calculating part of his character and becomes ALL EGO VEGETA.

Well, it's not just American creators. It's highly prevalent in shonen series, where the cool character archetype isn't allowed egg on their faces. They're static, and boring.

Many DB fans think the Cell Arc is character assassination for Vegeta, but it's where he becomes interesting. He died on Namek. He FAILED to avenge his people. Then he got brought back and whatever peace death offered him was taken away, and that made him to reckon with the fact that a low-class Saiyan, who he'd been raised to believe is lesser than him by default, did what he couldn't. He, the prince, couldn't do what a filthy commoner did. For someone who represents the pinnacle of what Saiyan society prided itself on, that is a fucking emotional crisis.

The Cell Arc is Vegeta desperately trying to cling to his dead saiyan heritage. And it never stops being the albatross around his neck until the fight with Pure Buu.

[GodVegetto91]

Drafts are out:

https://en.dragon-ball-official.com/news/01_298.html

[Alruneia]

Drafts are out. I can't say that I'm surprised that the draft in the news video was from the first page. Anyway, it looks like there's gonna be some chatting at first and then more fighting later, we just barely get to see Vegeta pull some Hakai-ing as the first move. Or maybe it'll be a lot of chatting with just some moves in between, I dunno.

[GodVegetto91]

I can’t tell if he’s using SSJ1 or SSBE…

In either case, I’m dissapointed by this sight.

Luckily we still have an all-possible future ahead.

[Grimlock]

And according to Herms translation, Vegeta says he was a kid when chaos happened. However: AGE 781 - 50 = AGE 731.

That is one year before Vegeta was born. And even if we don't consider AGE 732 as Vegeta's birthday, it's still an issue going by Dragon Ball Super Broly, which shows us that Vegeta was still in the incubator in AGE 734.

I do remember someone stating that the Saiyans attack on Cereal didn't happen exactly fifty years ago, but I don't rermember everything that was said (or who even said it!), so if you're reading this and remember the conversation, please refresh my memory so we can try to solve this.

[DiscountDabi]

And according to Herms translation, Vegeta says he was a kid when chaos happened. However: AGE 781 - 50 = AGE 731.

That is one year before Vegeta was born. And even if we don't consider AGE 732 as Vegeta's birthday, it's still an issue going by Dragon Ball Super Broly, which shows us that Vegeta was still in the incubator in AGE 734.

I do remember someone stating that the Saiyans attack on Cereal didn't happen exactly fifty years ago, but I don't rermember everything that was said (or who even said it!), so if you're reading this and remember the conversation, please refresh my memory so we can try to solve this.

It was mentioned before that the destruction of Planet Cereal actually happened 40 years ago, so Vegeta would be 10 years old at the time.

However thats also 4 years after planet Vegeta was destroyed soooo.

Yeah this is a gaping plot hole.