DBKai: Vegeta's finger on the chopping block

Wasted Wisher · Post by **Wasted Wisher** » Fri Aug 07, 2009 2:47 pm

SSj_Rambo wrote:@Wasted Wisher: Is there any word on whether or not the Blu-ray and/or DVD release will be uncensored?

Sorry, I have no diea. I'll ask one of the Japanese staffers...but in all likelihood they'll be just as censored as what was broadcast on TV.

SparkyPantsMcGee · Post by **SparkyPantsMcGee** » Fri Aug 07, 2009 5:57 pm

Rocketman wrote:
bkev wrote:I was under the impression the middle finger meant nothing in Japan, and that it was merely a random gesture. As in, it didn't have anything to do with the F-bomb.
It doesn't in the West, either. It means "Go to Hell".

No it doesn't. Its just a taunt. Back when England was at war with France, The French would use bows from their castles to attack the opposing British forces. They would do this by using their middle finger to pluck the bow. So when the British went in for the attack they held up their middle finger as a taunt.

Its like the Yakuza pinky finger taunt.

Rocketman · Post by **Rocketman** » Fri Aug 07, 2009 7:59 pm

SparkyPantsMcGee wrote:No it doesn't. Its just a taunt. Back when England was at war with France, The French would use bows from their castles to attack the opposing British forces. They would do this by using their middle finger to pluck the bow. So when the British went in for the attack they held up their middle finger as a taunt.

Its like the Yakuza pinky finger taunt.

Except it is a far older gesture than that, as the Emperor Caligula would put his imperial ring on his middle finger, extending it for any visitor to kiss.

Bussani · Post by **Bussani** » Fri Aug 07, 2009 10:40 pm

SparkyPantsMcGee wrote:
Rocketman wrote:
bkev wrote:I was under the impression the middle finger meant nothing in Japan, and that it was merely a random gesture. As in, it didn't have anything to do with the F-bomb.
It doesn't in the West, either. It means "Go to Hell".
No it doesn't. Its just a taunt. Back when England was at war with France, The French would use bows from their castles to attack the opposing British forces. They would do this by using their middle finger to pluck the bow. So when the British went in for the attack they held up their middle finger as a taunt.

Its like the Yakuza pinky finger taunt.

"A popular urban legend that began as a comedy routine relates that during the Hundred Years' War, the French would cut off the middle fingers of captured English archers so they would be unable to use their bows, and that after the Battle of Agincourt, the victorious English showed the French that their middle fingers were still intact. This legend is also said of the V sign."

SSj_Rambo · Post by **SSj_Rambo** » Fri Aug 07, 2009 11:07 pm

Wasted Wisher wrote:
SSj_Rambo wrote:@Wasted Wisher: Is there any word on whether or not the Blu-ray and/or DVD release will be uncensored?
Sorry, I have no diea. I'll ask one of the Japanese staffers...but in all likelihood they'll be just as censored as what was broadcast on TV.

Yeah, that's what I was thinking. It seems unlikely that they have an entirely different version of all of the censored scenes saved up somewhere.

Metalwario64 · Post by **Metalwario64** » Fri Aug 07, 2009 11:12 pm

I can't believe they're putting Vegeta's finger through a wood chipper...

Good night... sweet prince...

Bussani · Post by **Bussani** » Fri Aug 07, 2009 11:34 pm

Metalwario64 wrote:I can't believe they're putting Vegeta's finger through a wood chipper...

Good night... sweet prince...

JulieYBM · Post by **JulieYBM** » Fri Aug 07, 2009 11:39 pm

Honestly, I think people are making a bigger deal out of this than need be, and posting what's beginning to amount to gratuitous candle light vigils beckons as to whether or not the topic has any legs left for discussion.

Hopefully I don't come off as a backseat mod by saying such. Just thought it should be brought up...

Metalwario64 · Post by **Metalwario64** » Fri Aug 07, 2009 11:54 pm

Bussani wrote:
Metalwario64 wrote:I can't believe they're putting Vegeta's finger through a wood chipper...

Good night... sweet prince...
*snap*

That is all.

ultimateemail5000 · Post by **ultimateemail5000** » Sat Aug 08, 2009 4:42 pm

Doesn't Kai come on durring the AM, while DB and DBZ were aired 7PM on Wednesday or some crap like that? Do you guys ever think that maybe if possible, Kai is being censored because of it's early morning slot?

fps_anth · Post by **fps_anth** » Sat Aug 08, 2009 8:30 pm

It really sucks that we can't even get it uncensored on the DVDs/Blurays

Bussani · Post by **Bussani** » Sat Aug 08, 2009 8:41 pm

ultimateemail5000 wrote:Doesn't Kai come on durring the AM, while DB and DBZ were aired 7PM on Wednesday or some crap like that? Do you guys ever think that maybe if possible, Kai is being censored because of it's early morning slot?

That has been considered, yes. One Piece comes on right after Kai though, and doesn't seem to be censored as heavily. S'weird.

Kendamu · Post by **Kendamu** » Sun Aug 09, 2009 2:02 am

JulieYBM wrote:Honestly, I think people are making a bigger deal out of this than need be, and posting what's beginning to amount to gratuitous candle light vigils beckons as to whether or not the topic has any legs left for discussion.

Hopefully I don't come off as a backseat mod by saying such. Just thought it should be brought up...

I've been thinking along similar lines, but I think I'm a bit more easy-going than people who absolutely insist on leaving the middle finger there out of "artistic integrity" and such.

Bussani · Post by **Bussani** » Sun Aug 09, 2009 2:05 am

Yeah, I'm really not bothered (despite what my joke image might lead people to believe) by the editing in Kai. But I might be biased, since I never really cared either way what Kai was doing in the first place.

The Tori-bot · Post by **The Tori-bot** » Sun Aug 09, 2009 6:33 pm

NeptuneKai wrote:I always thought it meant hello. No wonder I don't have many friends.

You may be able to fool some into believing in the delusion of your supposed wittiness...

... But not The Tori-bot.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kDqe2rtRnPQ

NeptuneKai · Post by **NeptuneKai** » Sun Aug 09, 2009 7:20 pm

The Tori-bot wrote:
NeptuneKai wrote:I always thought it meant hello. No wonder I don't have many friends.
You may be able to fool some into believing in the delusion of your supposed wittiness...

... But not The Tori-bot.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kDqe2rtRnPQ

Y'know....for kids!

SSVegetto · Post by **SSVegetto** » Mon Sep 07, 2009 8:43 pm

Wasted Wisher wrote:
SSj_Rambo wrote:@Wasted Wisher: Is there any word on whether or not the Blu-ray and/or DVD release will be uncensored?
Sorry, I have no idea I'll ask one of the Japanese staffers...but in all likelihood they'll be just as censored as what was broadcast on TV.

This is crazy, I thought due to the complaints they were going to censor Kai less. Now, they are censoring Vegeta's middle finger? Wow.

This is so hypocritical of Toei to censor this when they made fun of the United States for censoring ours when we showed it on T.V. In a few of the Dragon box special discs, Toei showed. Now, they even take it one step forward. They can't even keep it uncensored on the Blu-ray or DVD release?

Oh well, I'm just happy everything was uncensored when they first put out DBZ. Maybe Funimation should make fun of Toei's censoring of Kai in one of their extras in their US DBZ Dragon box?

Kendamu · Post by **Kendamu** » Mon Sep 07, 2009 9:36 pm

SSVegetto wrote:This is crazy, I thought due to the complaints they were going to censor Kai less.

They are censoring Kai less.

Metalwario64 · Post by **Metalwario64** » Mon Sep 07, 2009 9:38 pm

Kendamu wrote:
SSVegetto wrote:This is crazy, I thought due to the complaints they were going to censor Kai less.
They are censoring Kai less.

I wish they would have pulled a Saban and made it so that Dodoria just punched him in the back really hard.

SSVegetto · Post by **SSVegetto** » Mon Sep 07, 2009 10:02 pm

Kendamu wrote:
SSVegetto wrote:This is crazy, I thought due to the complaints they were going to censor Kai less.

They are censoring Kai less.

So, that means they changed their mind about the middle finger. And they are keeping the middle finger in? Hmm, I thought there was suppose to be oozing green blood in that screen in DBZ. I can't remember though.

I guess the keyword is "less".

Kanzenshuu

DBKai: Vegeta's finger on the chopping block

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